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	<title>Comments on: Northern Territory Intervention one year on</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479508</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Andrew said.</description>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479329</link>
		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going cold turkey on grog smacks of 'cruel-and-unusual-punishment' to me.
The way I weaned myself off alcoholism was through measured ( dried) use of magic mushrooms. These grow ( or used to grow) as an indigenous fungi and appear clearly superior to Kava. 
And another thing...where is the indigenous investment in all this bullshit 'democratic' process?
Where's the ATSIC input?
White people would be ropable if the army was trooping through their bedrooms confiscating a bit of harmless mull and/or some popular art such as hangs on the walls of our white elite. So where is the outrage eh!?

'First they came for the first Australians...'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going cold turkey on grog smacks of &#8216;cruel-and-unusual-punishment&#8217; to me.<br />
The way I weaned myself off alcoholism was through measured ( dried) use of magic mushrooms. These grow ( or used to grow) as an indigenous fungi and appear clearly superior to Kava.<br />
And another thing&#8230;where is the indigenous investment in all this bullshit &#8216;democratic&#8217; process?<br />
Where&#8217;s the ATSIC input?<br />
White people would be ropable if the army was trooping through their bedrooms confiscating a bit of harmless mull and/or some popular art such as hangs on the walls of our white elite. So where is the outrage eh!?</p>
<p>&#8216;First they came for the first Australians&#8230;&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479306</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479306</guid>
		<description>Brough deserves credit for giving urgency and priority to this issue, and criticism for doing it in such a way that was unnecessarily divisive and ideological blinkered, thus ensuring many of the major inefficiencies which have occured were inevitable - not to mention dishonestly portraying at as responding to the Little Children are Sacred report (which was actually being all but ignored), using child sexual abuse as a justification whilst doing little to actually directly target child abuse or abusers, and tacking on unnecessary ideological objectives such as scrapping the permit system which had no relation to the issue.

Having said all that, the extra resources and the raising of the bar on expectations of delivering results does present an opportunity. most of the alcohol restrictions were not new, but the commitment to enforce them and to resource related programs was not there. 

There are things about the intervention that still concern me, but the Review provides a good chance to fix many of those. A lot of the reports I hear of what's happening match what is in the Crikey piece referred to in the post, but I do hear other much more positive reports - as shown in Crikey itself, with &lt;a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/nt-intervention/20080618-NT-Intervention-Anniversary-a-positive-difference-for-one-community.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;a different piece published on the same day&lt;/a&gt; giving a far more positive assessment of the impact of the Intervention in one NT community, mostly based on policing of the alcohol restrictions and the impact of quarantining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brough deserves credit for giving urgency and priority to this issue, and criticism for doing it in such a way that was unnecessarily divisive and ideological blinkered, thus ensuring many of the major inefficiencies which have occured were inevitable - not to mention dishonestly portraying at as responding to the Little Children are Sacred report (which was actually being all but ignored), using child sexual abuse as a justification whilst doing little to actually directly target child abuse or abusers, and tacking on unnecessary ideological objectives such as scrapping the permit system which had no relation to the issue.</p>
<p>Having said all that, the extra resources and the raising of the bar on expectations of delivering results does present an opportunity. most of the alcohol restrictions were not new, but the commitment to enforce them and to resource related programs was not there. </p>
<p>There are things about the intervention that still concern me, but the Review provides a good chance to fix many of those. A lot of the reports I hear of what&#8217;s happening match what is in the Crikey piece referred to in the post, but I do hear other much more positive reports - as shown in Crikey itself, with <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/nt-intervention/20080618-NT-Intervention-Anniversary-a-positive-difference-for-one-community.html" rel="nofollow">a different piece published on the same day</a> giving a far more positive assessment of the impact of the Intervention in one NT community, mostly based on policing of the alcohol restrictions and the impact of quarantining.</p>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479288</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479288</guid>
		<description>Nuwak i actually read that entire indigenous special issue of the MJA thoroughly, wasnt it only last month? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuwak i actually read that entire indigenous special issue of the MJA thoroughly, wasnt it only last month? <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479287</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479287</guid>
		<description>Nuwak i actually read that entire indigenous special issue of the MJA thoroughly, wasnt it only last month? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuwak i actually read that entire indigenous special issue of the MJA thoroughly, wasnt it only last month? <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479271</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479271</guid>
		<description>Helen,

not only where the health checks a waste of time because of the lack of follow up, some of the people doing the checks were Dr's, but because of the tight time frames invovled, had not been registered to practice in the NT, and so could not legally provide any treatment to those they were screening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen,</p>
<p>not only where the health checks a waste of time because of the lack of follow up, some of the people doing the checks were Dr&#8217;s, but because of the tight time frames invovled, had not been registered to practice in the NT, and so could not legally provide any treatment to those they were screening.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479207</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479207</guid>
		<description>Mark, thanks.

Crikey appears to have moved the link, but here's a report of the same thing on a doctors' site called 6 minutes. 

http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=174463

(Is "6 minutes" a reference to directives from the Health dept on the proper duration of a medicare funded consultation, or something?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, thanks.</p>
<p>Crikey appears to have moved the link, but here&#8217;s a report of the same thing on a doctors&#8217; site called 6 minutes. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=174463" rel="nofollow">http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=174463</a></p>
<p>(Is &#8220;6 minutes&#8221; a reference to directives from the Health dept on the proper duration of a medicare funded consultation, or something?)</p>
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		<title>By: Nuwalk</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479194</link>
		<dc:creator>Nuwalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479194</guid>
		<description>sublimecowgirl I am aware of what income management means and does I just don't believe it has had a significant impact on murders. Those who want to drink simply trade their cards for cash or swap to petrol sniffing as has been suggested is now happening in Yirrkala.

A couple of paragraphs from your own link to the violence stats seem to argue against things such as the enforced income management as counter productive.

Policy Implications-What can be Done?

These figures suggest that there are fundamental issues which need to be addressed concerning excessive alcohol use amongst Indigenous people. These issues include empowerment; self-esteem and pride; meaningful occupation; and strengthening culturally-based social control mechanisms;

The prevention of intimate violence and consequent lethal violence is a problem i
However, prevention can never be imposed on a society or culture. If it is tobe successful, prevention must involve people who are willing to listen and become involved.12 It is therefore essential to provide resources for self-help, such as training for Indigenous welfare workers, to assist Indigenous Australians to help themselves. The most successful prevention has to take place within the community -it is less likely to succeed if imposed from the outside.


To back up Helen's article this one was recently in the MJA. 

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/188_10_190508/bai11268_fm.html

Abstract
Objectives:

To describe delivery of child health services in Australian Aboriginal communities, and to identify gaps in services required to improve the health of Aboriginal children.
Design:

Cross-sectional baseline audit for a quality improvement intervention.
Setting and participants:

297 children aged at least 3 months and under 5 years in 11 Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory, Far West New South Wales and Western Australia in 2006.
Main outcome measures:

Adherence to guideline-scheduled services including clinical examinations, brief interventions or advice on health-related behaviour and risks, and enquiry regarding social conditions; and recorded follow-up of identified problems.
Results:

Documentation of delivery of specific clinical examinations (26%–80%) was relatively good, but was poorer for brief interventions or advice on health-related behaviour and risks (5%–36%) and enquiry regarding social conditions (3%–11%). Compared with children in Far West NSW and WA, those attending NT centres were significantly more likely to have a record of growth faltering, underweight, chronic ear disease, anaemia, or chronic respiratory disease (P &#60; 0.005). Only 11%–13% of children with identified social problems had an assessment report on file. An action plan was documented for 22% of children with growth faltering and 13% with chronic ear disease; 43% of children with chronic respiratory disease and 31% with developmental delay had an assessment report on file.
Conclusion:

Existing systems are not providing for adequate follow-up of identified medical and social problems for children living in remote Aboriginal communities; development of systems for immediate and longer-term sustainable responses to these problems should be a priority. Without effective systems for follow-up, screening children for disease and adverse social circumstances will result in little or no benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sublimecowgirl I am aware of what income management means and does I just don&#8217;t believe it has had a significant impact on murders. Those who want to drink simply trade their cards for cash or swap to petrol sniffing as has been suggested is now happening in Yirrkala.</p>
<p>A couple of paragraphs from your own link to the violence stats seem to argue against things such as the enforced income management as counter productive.</p>
<p>Policy Implications-What can be Done?</p>
<p>These figures suggest that there are fundamental issues which need to be addressed concerning excessive alcohol use amongst Indigenous people. These issues include empowerment; self-esteem and pride; meaningful occupation; and strengthening culturally-based social control mechanisms;</p>
<p>The prevention of intimate violence and consequent lethal violence is a problem i<br />
However, prevention can never be imposed on a society or culture. If it is tobe successful, prevention must involve people who are willing to listen and become involved.12 It is therefore essential to provide resources for self-help, such as training for Indigenous welfare workers, to assist Indigenous Australians to help themselves. The most successful prevention has to take place within the community -it is less likely to succeed if imposed from the outside.</p>
<p>To back up Helen&#8217;s article this one was recently in the MJA. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/188_10_190508/bai11268_fm.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/188_10_190508/bai11268_fm.html</a></p>
<p>Abstract<br />
Objectives:</p>
<p>To describe delivery of child health services in Australian Aboriginal communities, and to identify gaps in services required to improve the health of Aboriginal children.<br />
Design:</p>
<p>Cross-sectional baseline audit for a quality improvement intervention.<br />
Setting and participants:</p>
<p>297 children aged at least 3 months and under 5 years in 11 Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory, Far West New South Wales and Western Australia in 2006.<br />
Main outcome measures:</p>
<p>Adherence to guideline-scheduled services including clinical examinations, brief interventions or advice on health-related behaviour and risks, and enquiry regarding social conditions; and recorded follow-up of identified problems.<br />
Results:</p>
<p>Documentation of delivery of specific clinical examinations (26%–80%) was relatively good, but was poorer for brief interventions or advice on health-related behaviour and risks (5%–36%) and enquiry regarding social conditions (3%–11%). Compared with children in Far West NSW and WA, those attending NT centres were significantly more likely to have a record of growth faltering, underweight, chronic ear disease, anaemia, or chronic respiratory disease (P &lt; 0.005). Only 11%–13% of children with identified social problems had an assessment report on file. An action plan was documented for 22% of children with growth faltering and 13% with chronic ear disease; 43% of children with chronic respiratory disease and 31% with developmental delay had an assessment report on file.<br />
Conclusion:</p>
<p>Existing systems are not providing for adequate follow-up of identified medical and social problems for children living in remote Aboriginal communities; development of systems for immediate and longer-term sustainable responses to these problems should be a priority. Without effective systems for follow-up, screening children for disease and adverse social circumstances will result in little or no benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479158</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479158</guid>
		<description>I'm living in Alice Springs this year in the epicentre of the intervention, and I've talked candidly to friends who are bureaucrats in Canberra involved with the intervention from early on, and all sources pretty much say the same thing -- while some good is being done just by throwing resources at the problem, an astonishing lack of any sort of planning or consultation or proper oversight is leading to waste, inefficiency, and often alienating indigenous communities unnecessarily. I've heard some tales of epic incompetence -- a recent example was locksmiths installing locks in newly built homes with the same master keys across the entire NT, which led to all of them being reinstalled at an alleged cost of around a million. 


I think a large factor in the interventions failure to wedge the ALP was that the sheer cowboy nature and incompetence was obvious early on, and it is hard to whip up strong ideological support for incompetence. When a government department announces major controversial new programs, and then a few weeks later announces it won't be doing them after all because it turned out they were illegal, that impresses no one. 


The ideological back and forth is largely beside the point - whether or not you ideologically believe in the velue of various intervention measures, both sides of the ideological spectrum should agree that planning, efficiency and competence is better than rushing in and the resulting blunders, inefficiency and wasted opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m living in Alice Springs this year in the epicentre of the intervention, and I&#8217;ve talked candidly to friends who are bureaucrats in Canberra involved with the intervention from early on, and all sources pretty much say the same thing &#8212; while some good is being done just by throwing resources at the problem, an astonishing lack of any sort of planning or consultation or proper oversight is leading to waste, inefficiency, and often alienating indigenous communities unnecessarily. I&#8217;ve heard some tales of epic incompetence &#8212; a recent example was locksmiths installing locks in newly built homes with the same master keys across the entire NT, which led to all of them being reinstalled at an alleged cost of around a million. </p>
<p>I think a large factor in the interventions failure to wedge the ALP was that the sheer cowboy nature and incompetence was obvious early on, and it is hard to whip up strong ideological support for incompetence. When a government department announces major controversial new programs, and then a few weeks later announces it won&#8217;t be doing them after all because it turned out they were illegal, that impresses no one. </p>
<p>The ideological back and forth is largely beside the point - whether or not you ideologically believe in the velue of various intervention measures, both sides of the ideological spectrum should agree that planning, efficiency and competence is better than rushing in and the resulting blunders, inefficiency and wasted opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479156</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479156</guid>
		<description>Helen, I've fixed up the formatting in your comment but the link is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, I&#8217;ve fixed up the formatting in your comment but the link is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479149</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479149</guid>
		<description>...with a silent ')' after 'context'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;with a silent &#8216;)&#8217; after &#8216;context&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479148</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479148</guid>
		<description>SC - a little off-topic (or not!), but thought of your comments re lack of support networks for offenders (in Henson context when reading  &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/19/socialcare" rel="nofollow"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; on the Guardian today. You might find it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SC - a little off-topic (or not!), but thought of your comments re lack of support networks for offenders (in Henson context when reading  <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/19/socialcare" rel="nofollow">this article</a> on the Guardian today. You might find it interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479113</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479113</guid>
		<description>Apologies, there should have been a blockquote or italic tag from "...we are encouraged" to "...once-off (or even annual) checks". That is the Crikey text, not mine. My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, there should have been a blockquote or italic tag from &#8220;&#8230;we are encouraged&#8221; to &#8220;&#8230;once-off (or even annual) checks&#8221;. That is the Crikey text, not mine. My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479112</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479112</guid>
		<description>On the subject of Crikey articles, here's one which puts its case in very clear and simple terms. The medical side of the intervention &lt;a&gt;has been all about checks&lt;/a&gt; with no followup or services. What on earth is the use of screening if few people are going to be treated, as before? "Yes we can categorically state your children have incipient trachoma. No, sorry, we're not going to provide any eye doctors!"

&lt;blockquote&gt;we are encouraged by the current focus and commitment by Governments to improve the health of NT Aboriginal children. However, it is our very great fear that the millions of dollars spent on child health checks during phase one of the NT intervention have mostly been wasted. Time will tell, but at this stage we can see little evidence that the child health checks will make a long-term difference to improving the overall health of Aboriginal children in the NT. 

It is possible that health care has been delivered to some children for ear, skin and other common problems, which may not have been delivered otherwise. But far more children could have benefited if the funds had been more wisely spent. 

If the Government had paused to seek evidence for action, had sought advice and partnership with existing services and advice from health experts and Indigenous leaders with the relevant experience and expertise, a more sustainable, long-term approach to improving children’s health could have been achieved. Is there anything stopping it from doing that now? 

The big problem is focusing on health checks without resourcing and developing the primary care programs needed to manage the health problems that were already well documented. Our experience is that when quality services are provided in communities, uptake from Aboriginal children and their families is actually high. Most of the health issues looked for in the checks need comprehensive continuous programs from primary health care, not once-off (or even annual) checks. 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Read the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Crikey articles, here&#8217;s one which puts its case in very clear and simple terms. The medical side of the intervention <a>has been all about checks</a> with no followup or services. What on earth is the use of screening if few people are going to be treated, as before? &#8220;Yes we can categorically state your children have incipient trachoma. No, sorry, we&#8217;re not going to provide any eye doctors!&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>we are encouraged by the current focus and commitment by Governments to improve the health of NT Aboriginal children. However, it is our very great fear that the millions of dollars spent on child health checks during phase one of the NT intervention have mostly been wasted. Time will tell, but at this stage we can see little evidence that the child health checks will make a long-term difference to improving the overall health of Aboriginal children in the NT. </p>
<p>It is possible that health care has been delivered to some children for ear, skin and other common problems, which may not have been delivered otherwise. But far more children could have benefited if the funds had been more wisely spent. </p>
<p>If the Government had paused to seek evidence for action, had sought advice and partnership with existing services and advice from health experts and Indigenous leaders with the relevant experience and expertise, a more sustainable, long-term approach to improving children’s health could have been achieved. Is there anything stopping it from doing that now? </p>
<p>The big problem is focusing on health checks without resourcing and developing the primary care programs needed to manage the health problems that were already well documented. Our experience is that when quality services are provided in communities, uptake from Aboriginal children and their families is actually high. Most of the health issues looked for in the checks need comprehensive continuous programs from primary health care, not once-off (or even annual) checks. </p>
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<p>Read the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479064</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479064</guid>
		<description>Trying those links again Centrelink: http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/ea3b9a1335df87bcca2569890008040e/f9dba67a56dcfd23ca2573e80083a4c0!OpenDocument
and violence stats for indigenous women &lt;code&gt;http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ILB/1999/93.html&lt;code&gt;

Don't presume i'm happy with all the processes of the intervention btw.   I think there are some serious flaws and gaps (duh), but neither am i blanketly against it.  

That why the evaluation and review processes are so crucial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying those links again Centrelink: <a href="http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/ea3b9a1335df87bcca2569890008040e/f9dba67a56dcfd23ca2573e80083a4c0" rel="nofollow">http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/ea3b9a1335df87bcca2569890008040e/f9dba67a56dcfd23ca2573e80083a4c0</a>!OpenDocument<br />
and violence stats for indigenous women <code><a href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ILB/1999/93.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ILB/1999/93.html</a></code><code></p>
<p>Don't presume i'm happy with all the processes of the intervention btw.   I think there are some serious flaws and gaps (duh), but neither am i blanketly against it.  </p>
<p>That why the evaluation and review processes are so crucial.</code></p>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479060</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuwulk - Here's centrelinks blurb starting what Income Management means: http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/filestores/ah1549_0802/$file/ah1549_0802en.pdf
It reduces the ability to purchase alcohol with state welfare benefits.

Also, an older, interesting link about the rates of violence experienced by indigenous women.  And, yes I note the irony of the conclusion ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuwulk - Here&#8217;s centrelinks blurb starting what Income Management means: <a href="http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/filestores/ah1549_0802/file/ah1549_0802en.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/filestores/ah1549_0802/file/ah1549_0802en.pdf</a><br />
It reduces the ability to purchase alcohol with state welfare benefits.</p>
<p>Also, an older, interesting link about the rates of violence experienced by indigenous women.  And, yes I note the irony of the conclusion <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Yuwulk</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479041</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuwulk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it takes a stretch of the imagination to attribute the income management to the murder rate instead of the alcohol restrictions and extra policing. Both of which I believe have been requested by Indigenous Australians for many years. 

SIHIP is looking promising though especially if it can manage to employ local workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it takes a stretch of the imagination to attribute the income management to the murder rate instead of the alcohol restrictions and extra policing. Both of which I believe have been requested by Indigenous Australians for many years. </p>
<p>SIHIP is looking promising though especially if it can manage to employ local workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Fmark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479038</link>
		<dc:creator>Fmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479038</guid>
		<description>Further to what Mangoman had to say, the injection of funding for additional policing has been really welcome.  There are communities that have been crying out for a police presence for twenty years who only received it due to the intervention.  Not that it excuses all the other absurdities of the intervention though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to what Mangoman had to say, the injection of funding for additional policing has been really welcome.  There are communities that have been crying out for a police presence for twenty years who only received it due to the intervention.  Not that it excuses all the other absurdities of the intervention though.</p>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479025</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479025</guid>
		<description>Just picking up on one issue mentioned in the crikey article: 

"The source told Crikey that the cost of income management alone is currently running at $3000 per person per annum — to manage average welfare payments of around $10,000 per recipient. The documents point out that there are around 10,500 people under income management."

To get a fair comparison this would have to be contrasted with the cost/benefit  to the individual, community and government for the same population when their income is not being 'managed'.

10 500 people who have the resources to feed their families, and divert this from grog and associated violence @ $3000 each = 31.5 million.

I wonder what the associated health costs of alcohol abuse, malnutrition, alcohol related assault and violence, and child neglect actually are?  I notice there has been a dramatic drop in the number of homicides since welfare restrictions have come into play.  What cost is a woman's life?  Police, courts, welfare staff, and dialysis machines don't come cheap either.

THe start up costs of any system are going to be more costly at the beginning, so this would also have to be factored into any comparision.

I'm not defending the cost btw, but merely saying these things are multi-factored.


I know the article below is merely anecdotal, but its an interesting observation nonetheless.
 
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2270349.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just picking up on one issue mentioned in the crikey article: </p>
<p>&#8220;The source told Crikey that the cost of income management alone is currently running at $3000 per person per annum — to manage average welfare payments of around $10,000 per recipient. The documents point out that there are around 10,500 people under income management.&#8221;</p>
<p>To get a fair comparison this would have to be contrasted with the cost/benefit  to the individual, community and government for the same population when their income is not being &#8216;managed&#8217;.</p>
<p>10 500 people who have the resources to feed their families, and divert this from grog and associated violence @ $3000 each = 31.5 million.</p>
<p>I wonder what the associated health costs of alcohol abuse, malnutrition, alcohol related assault and violence, and child neglect actually are?  I notice there has been a dramatic drop in the number of homicides since welfare restrictions have come into play.  What cost is a woman&#8217;s life?  Police, courts, welfare staff, and dialysis machines don&#8217;t come cheap either.</p>
<p>THe start up costs of any system are going to be more costly at the beginning, so this would also have to be factored into any comparision.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not defending the cost btw, but merely saying these things are multi-factored.</p>
<p>I know the article below is merely anecdotal, but its an interesting observation nonetheless.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2270349.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2270349.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: wpd</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/18/northern-territory-intervention-one-year-on/#comment-479020</link>
		<dc:creator>wpd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"if the home situation isn’t good there’s only so much that teachers can do" said Chris (a different one) and then Mangoman 

"without family support, no education system will work."

They speak the 'truth'.  The greatest influence on an individual's educational attainment is the family, generally speaking.  All the significant Reports confirm the fundamental importance of the family.

Tis sad that this well established fact needs to be constantly restated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if the home situation isn’t good there’s only so much that teachers can do&#8221; said Chris (a different one) and then Mangoman </p>
<p>&#8220;without family support, no education system will work.&#8221;</p>
<p>They speak the &#8216;truth&#8217;.  The greatest influence on an individual&#8217;s educational attainment is the family, generally speaking.  All the significant Reports confirm the fundamental importance of the family.</p>
<p>Tis sad that this well established fact needs to be constantly restated.</p>
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