To be fair to Morris Iemma and his bunch of clowns masquerading as a government, New South Wales isn’t alone in imposing risible and over the top security regulations for major “public events”. We’ve seen similar things in finance talkfests with Melbourne and CHOGM in Queensland saw Peter Beattie invent preventive detention for “known public nuisances”, as well as going to ludicrous lengths to prevent protest. But Iemma’s mob seem to have made it an art form, perhaps because as I’ve speculated before, their sense of authoritarianism compensates for their total ineffectuality in governing just about anything else than public events. (Compare - “public services”.) But the latest bunch of regulations for the Pope Fest really take the cake. It’s more or less private governance. Where’s the public benefit in preventing pilgrims attending World Youth Day in Sydney this month from being annoyed? Will their world really come to an end if someone hands them a condom or wears a t-shirt with an anti-homophobia message? What possible public justification does the NSW government have for denying basic rights to freedom of expression at the instance of the fragile petals in Cardinal Pell’s hierarchy?
Incidentally, the Catholic journalist and former seminarian, John Cornwell, who was quite the critic of Pope Benedict’s predecessor John Paul II, noted that B16, in his previous incarnation as Cardinal Ratzinger, viewed the personality cult and circus that surrounded the Polish Pope’s appearance at World Youth Days with considerable distaste. Ratzinger was said to have been scathing about the number of condom wrappers cleaners found after the Cologne gig in 2005, observing that the rapture with which pilgrims celebrated after the Papal Mass may have been a tad more than spiritual. At least with Iemma on the case, Cardinal Pell will be able to account accurately for the sins of the faithful, knowing that no condoms subsequently discovered will have been distributed by annoying protesters.
Elsewhere: WYD creates an international stir at Pharyngula.
Update: More from tigtog, Simon Jackman, and Julian Morrow from The Chaser.
Interesting typo. Is it the host that explodes or the sanctified wine?
Heh!
Freudian slips transubstantiate midnight blogging!
Here is Julian Morrow’s suggestion re people joining in a bit of civil disobediance
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2008/07/01/2291138.htm (video)
Oh and isn’t it ironic that the NSW Police have encrypted their radio communications to co-incide with his Holiness’s visit.
Yeah, it seems over the top. I suppose we’ll have to see how it’s enforced on the ground. Unfortunately this is what happens when you combine an absurd and incompetent ALP government with repeated acts of violence at large events/conferences by the rent-a-crowd riot kiddies from Mutiny, Arterial Bloc, etc. They really have spoiled this kind of thing for people with proper grievances. Who knows what ridiculous shadows Iemma is jumping at here?
BBB
[New South Wales isn’t alone in imposing risible and over the top security regulations for major “public events”.]
In 99.999% of the cases it is Police Commissioners like Anthony SCipione who request these powers because the Police are so incapable of using existing powers.
Greens MP Lee Rhiannon said that it wasn’t the cops or Scipione who requested these powers, but the WYD organisers.
It shows a remarkable lack of faith that so many protections are required for the festival of rock chopping. Won’t god fix it or something?
[Greens MP Lee Rhiannon said that it wasn’t the cops or Scipione who requested these powers, but the WYD organisers.]
Thanks for clarifying that. I wonder if they requested it so the organsiers could protect the “Catholic Brand”, by removing the non-believers and Heretics ?
For the record, the Catholic Church (which presumably includes the WYD organisers) has reportedly denied requesting the new powers.
BBB
What Would Jesus do?
As his track record shows, he’d do a lot more than just being annoying at a series of events organised by a “corporate profile” that colludes with the State to silence dissent.
“For whatever measure you deal out to others it will be dealt to you in return.” Luke 6.38 baby!
Mao-Con was me. Bloody automated systems.
“I hate this damn computer,
I wish that they would sell it
It never does what I want
Only what I tell it.”
If the visitors feel annoyed, there’s
always a sympathetic ear waiting for them.
And remember kids, no condoms!
It’s not the condom wrappers they should be counting (I mean the Catholic kids might have inflated a few condoms as a prank, making balloons out of the protestors’ gifts) it’s the errrrrrrk used ones lying around … yukkkkkk
I reckon the vast majority of attendees will have had to cop all sorts of derision, commentary, robust debate and incredulity in their recent years, unless they’re finally ‘coming out for baby Jebus’ for the first time. So they’d be well-prepared to face good-humoured protests with equanimity. Sounds like the hierarchy wants a squeaky-clean TV image. That may be what they want protected, not their ‘pilgrims’.
Bingo Bango Boingo - its not “repeated acts of violence” these laws are aimed at, but mere ridicule.
Without in any way excusing the dreadful Iemma government here, I note the equally dreadful NSW opposition voted for the measures. That’s the influence of the Opus Dei lot and the Uglies; if they get into power we’ll see a lot more of this sort of stuff. Who’d be a NSW voter?
Rego plates not available from your RTA….
NSW: The Doormat State
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As a member of the Hitler Youth during his formative years, Joseph Ratzinger will appreciate the uber-authoritarian measures taken by the NSW Government to stifle any expression of democratic dissent directed towards this contemporary Roman Catholic Youth extravaganza.
From a global P.R. perspective, the message of a supine and prostrate Australian citizenry is exactly the sort of publicity that money couldn’t buy. Opps, that’s right, the citizens for whom any dissent is Verboten, are paying for the whole shebang too.
Nice rort if you can work it though.
I’m not quite up to date on this, as I haven’t received the latest e-mail on it from Socialist Alliance, but I understand there is going to be mass defiance of these laws, in a humourous way.
The people I feel really concerned for are those Catholics protesting about priestly sexual abuse. I can’t imagine Cardinal Pell beinbg too worried about Socialist Alliance and company, apart from the fact they handing out condoms and encouraging young Catholics to have sex.
Suspect its the fact that the abuse victims are coming out in force that’s really bothering him. And I don’t believe him when he says the Church didn’t ask for these powers.
When I was a young rockchopper I was told its a sin to tell a lie. And I know the Church has changed, but …
Of course, there is all that stuff about rising from the dead, etc.
Yes, we’re supposed to believe that nobody asked for these friggin’ powers and that the idiot Iemma just dreamed them up out of nowhere becuase he thought that he needed another controversy to distract from the Iguanagate rubbish. Mind you…
We’re in really dangerous territory when governments start drafting laws making it a criminal offense to annoy someone. When the word annoyance is actually is actually used in the legislation FFS!
OMG,just reading over my comment at 17. Handing out condoms to young Catholics. I’m supporting people who are an occasion of sin. I’ll go to Hell!
A broad ban on “annoying” behaviour may well be unconstitutional. Or it would have to be given a very restricted meaning if it were to survive constitutional challenge.
“We’re in really dangerous territory when governments start drafting laws making it a criminal offense to annoy someone. When the word annoyance is actually is actually used in the legislation FFS!”
I’ll second that. How is ‘annoying’ defined? There are myriad individual interpretations of what is annoying. This is truly absurd.
To be fair to the NSW Liberals (much as it pains me), it’s my understanding that the ‘annoyance’ rule was introduced through regulation, rather than legislation, so the Libs wouldn’t have actually voted to support this particular little nasty. It’s all the work of the government.
And to that end I don’t think it matters much whether it was the police or the church who requested these powers. It’s the job of Government to balance this sort of special pleading against the general needs of the community, and once again the NSW government has got it spectacularly wrong.
I can’t for the life of me see how anyone charged under these laws would be unsuccessful on appeal. Let’s hope lots of people are charged, so we can publically roast the fuckwits who dreamt it up.
Ooh This law makes me want to annoy a pilgrim now. I wonder if its not too late to offer to billet a pilgrim or two and keep them up all night while I explain why I have left the Catholic Church (starting with the fact that B16 looks like Darth Sidious from Star Wars)…Would this kind of behaviour earn me a $5500 fine?
These laws could turn out to be utterly counterproductive. Given the prediliction of the MSM for sensationalism what is likely to be the lead story - the pilgrim march, or protesters being strip-searched for condoms;the Papal Mass, or victims of priestly abuse being punched and wrestled to the ground by over-zealous coppers?
Just askin’.
So, will Zombie Franco be coming to Sydney to oversee these measures?
Good point Rayedish. I wonder if the arseclowns who wrote the legislation made it specific to any particular forum. And what if WYD participants are really easily annoyed? Like, will folks get hauled off to the Gulag for merely having their iPod up too loud on the train, or only if it’s playing pro-contraception music?
These laws are a disgraceful attack on the rights of regular citizens! Being annoying is now an offence? How absurd! If they’re going to enforce this, I look forward to lots of NSW Government pollies being arrested and fined. They’ve sure been annoying for the last few years.
Will Iemma and co. get “annoyed” at the prospect of being crossed or even being voted out? It’s almost immaterial who actually wanted the beefed-up restrictions on people’s “rights”. It’s a try-on: God’s Rotweiller has kindred hounds anywhere and everywhere: “Sometimes I think that this old world is one big prison yard, Some of us are prisoners - the rest of us are guards……” Maybe pontificating is also “annoying” but what is the tipping point of annoyance for the “silent majority”?
dj - I think in the interests of tradition they’ve given the nod to Zombie Torquemada.
he he FDB
FDB, why do you assume that appeals against guilty verdicts will be successful? The charge will put, the court will try to figure out where the “annoyance” line is (much wailing and gnashing of teeth), and if the line has been crossed then good night. “This is a rubbish law” is not a ground of appeal in NSW, as far as I know.
BBB
Update: More from tigtog, Simon Jackman, and Julian Morrow from The Chaser.
Given that they are catholic kids, I’d worry about the ones who didn’t use a condom at all.
“Given that they are catholic kids, I’d worry about the ones who didn’t use a condom at all”
Some people will try and tell you that if they are being promiscuous they will also ignore the church re condoms. Might be true but IMO ignores the fact that some catholics, particularly young ones, can be quite selective about which parts of catholic doctrine they follow. I’d bet most of the contents of those condom wrappers were used for the intended purpose.
Here are some relevant quotes from Socialist Alliance National Convenor from a recent Socialist Alliance Press Release. As you all know I hardly ever post Socialist Alliance material on LP, but I think this is extremely relevant to the Popefest protest and even more so to Iemma’s ridiculous laws.
“With their draconian regulations Iemma and Co. have decided to prevent the possibility of a Chaser-style stunt against the Pope by becoming a permanent Chaser themselves.”
“so lets get all those t-shirts out that proclaim our support for womens’ roghts, same-sex marriage and safe sex. And then let Iemma and Co. try to apply their buffoonish laws aqgainst us.”
“just like the heavy-handed police powers introduced in the lead up to APEC last year to intimidate people out of protesting, Iemma’s latest effort will have exactly the opposite efect in its intention.”
The Catholic Church are getting more out of this than tens of millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money. They are getting the smug satisfaction that they control the NSW government.
If you were going to come up w/ a way to undermine the reputation of all Labor politicians, both state & federal, Morris Iemma would be the weapon of choice. He’s turning me Greener by the day. Same goes for my wife & friends.
Well put Mark. Who would’ve thought slipping a rubber to a naive & hungry Catholic yungun’ would’ve made you automatically ENEMY NUMBER ONE? Obviusly some in the NSW govt, Catholic church & toys departments everywhere are rubbing their hands in glee in anticipation of a mass BLAST OFF.
In the minds of Muslim-hating manipulators Catholic kiddies will spread across Australia like a goody-two-shoes virus…as they make use of their own cross-imprinted johnnies whilst applauding from the parliament roof those yoof rooting for the Pope.
Why isn’t that chickenshit Rudd speaking up about this?
I’m sure Rudd views this back and forth about civil rights as just another examples of what he and others at the upper echelons of politics like to call ‘argy bargy’. Nothing new. The ALP is a very broad church.
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silkworm @ 39,
Because he supports Howard’s anti-terror laws?
So next year will we see the cops arresting Rev Fred Nile and Co for praying for rain and otherwise being annoying at the Gay Mardi Gras?
While I am also incensed at further infringement upon my life for God-fest 08, I must point out that apparently the specific term “annoy” is apparently included in 16 other seperate pieces of legislation that previously existed.
So while its nothing new, that doesn’t make it right.
I’m shocked there was no public debate before this was implemented however. How bloody easy is it for them to supress us when they choose?
As I’ve written here before that the really annoying thing is Randwick racecourse being closed down for ten weeks and the track being trampled, and perhaps being permanently damaged.
Horseracing probably isn’t very popular at LV, but it’s a major part of an industry having to relocate, at a large cost and with no compensation. Many stablehands also live on-course, so it means having to find a new place to live. The industry protested long and hard about it, but with no luck.
Perhaps some annoyed trainers could ride a few horses through and make their point.
Thanks for that, Dataceptionist. Are you referring to NSW legislation?
And are you referring to criminal or civil legislation, Dataceptionist???
Yes, Adrian. That sounds quite appropriate for civil, but not criminal.
Surely that’s the point of weak words like ‘annoy’ and ‘inconvenience’. Their use in a criminal case is patently and potently absurd.
Some people find Andrew Bolt very annoying. Will he be arrested? Some find Morris Iemma annoying [yes, you ver there! don’t look away, I mean YOU!!]: is his freedom in jeopardy?
T-shirts:
“I’m Annoyed!”
“Annoying ‘Til The Day I Die”
“Grumpy Old Premier”
etc
I Wanna Be Annoyanted
And Jesus Stormed Into The Temple and Annoyed the Moneylenders
I’m usually dead against driving around with loud music blaring but these new regulations have led to a quick check of what CD’s I have in the car…hmmm…lets see…Nine Inch Nails could be appropriate (I think Trent would approve), Mr Bungle (don’t ask, but it will freak them out), perhaps a touch of Pink Floyd (some goddamn hippy music to get the shaggin’, smokin’ thang happening), oh and last but certainly not least Rollins Band, Torie Amos, and Nic Cave and the Bad Seeds to get them thinking (God forbid).
Now all I need to do is borrow some W-bins and a nice set of JBLs to strap onto the roofrack…alternative is to hire the blimp and do “flybys” over the racecourse.
“Mr Bungle (don’t ask, but it will freak them out)”
Girls of Porn, or Love is a Fist?
FDB, I knew somebody would understand the combination of insanity and wrongness that is Mr Bungle
difficult call really - probably Girls of Porn just for the fact that played out loud they might actually comprehend the lyrics - for those who are interested (or not) it’s the first band Mike Patton started as a teenager - definitely offensive to the Catholics (and quite a few others) - very original and very good.
Still love the randomness of California.
Sorry all, just read the above. Influence of two cocktails and beers
Steve - that album is to this day the only one I’ve ever literally “rushed out and bought”. Well, I saw the clip to Quote Unquote on Rage at about 2am, set my alarum for 8:30, then went to store first thing. I’m not sure I deliberately listened to anything else for a couple of months.
Steve H, eh? You’re not a Perthling by any chance, are you?
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/06/the_official_australian_vent_a.php#comments
Over at Pharynugula, this ‘annoyed’ comment from Eric TF Bat
Actually each member of the NSW government should be fined $5500 because a large number of people find this new law annoying.
Props to anyone who can work Bungle into a thread.
This would’ve been more appropriate in the “Ute Man” thread but I must confess I like *uncooked meat prior to state vector collapse*.
Ooops - Sorry to derail your thread Mark!
FDB - nope, I’m a Sydneyite (but spend so much time flying you wouldn’t know it)
Friends (now in Perth) put me onto Bungle a loooong time ago…
Jacques - all I’m going to say is “A carnival for the human race…”
Peter Kemp has a great suggestion - except instead of lions we should use a variety of Aussie bush creatures. Start off with snakes and work up to crocs. To make the Europeans feel at home we can throw in some pissed “soccer hooligans” and for the Americans the odd cougar or bear. As for those from the rest of the world - scatter some landmines (UXBs as well) and throw in the “war veterans” of one R.Mugabe.
But seriously, I can’t believe they are turning back several centuries of government and law just to make Sydney “look good” for one church. This really is stupidity of the highest (or lowest) order.
As an alternative throw the drafters of this regulation into a pit and get T.Pratchett to dream up a suitable way of knocking them off
J de M - great guitarist, and BEST STAGE NAME EVAH!!!1!
Tasmanian Devils, 50, Xtans, 50,000.
I like the lion idea, but what about the dead guy in the box? Open it up for crissakes and let us see the bloody miracle of his uncorrupted flesh!
The kids saw that on the news and asked who the funeral was for. It was bloody hard explaining that these dudes in dresses were carrying an exhumed dead italian guy around, whose body had apparently not rotted for 80 years.
“Is there a window on the box?” - no love.
“Is he going to come alive again?” - no love.
“Can’t we at least see the dead guy?” - no, you just have to believe them.
“It’s probably just a box full of rocks” - my thoughts exactly. Rocks, for chopping.
Ah, the dead guy in the box. Seems Australian quarantine authorities were such unbelievers they insisted the coffin be lead-lined, and instructed it could not be opened. Perhaps it had something to do with the idea the cdoffin might have contained a collection of deadly diseases, regardless of the fact he was an incorruptible saint.
Thius WYD thingamajig could make a really good horror movie when you think about it.
David Rubie,
are we to believe you don’t believe in miracles? Pshaw!!
Meanwhile, away from the Stadiums and Lions and Tassie Devils, a volunteer working for FoodWaterShelter in Tanzania has been shot dead by bandits http://www.foodwatershelter.org.au/
He was one of thousands of fine young Aussies who volunteer to work with the poor and oppressed in Australia and overseas. There are many ways to be a pilgrim in this world.
Requiescat in pace.
Ambigulous - it’s not much of a miracle if the only way to confirm it’s miraculousness is to rely on second and third hand accounts. What’s the point of bringing the box with the dead guy if you can’t even be bothered fitting a little window on it? Even the Russians did that with Lenin, surely it’s not too big an ask.
I’d pay money to see (say) the remains of Fausto Coppi jump up and do a few laps of the Sydney Velodrome, but not some random dead italian dude who patted kiddies on the head and then failed to stink up his final box. It’s just not miraculous enough for me. Like Paul says, probably a good basis for a horror movie (Night of the Living Dead Wop! A great excuse to see naked zombie nuns dancing on tombs), but for real life it’s just a bit too stupid.
Come to think of it, I have a video camera and the cemetery is just up the road. All I need is naked nuns, a box of rocks, some clown makeup and a smoke machine.
I knew some-one who once saw a naked nun. So they said.
…but was it a zombie Paul? It has to be a zombie!
“naked nuns, a box of rocks, some clown makeup and a smoke machine.”
I can help out with everything but the rocks.
It doesn’t have to be rocks FDB, in fact it’s probably better if the box is empty.
Here’s my full pitch to the film financiers:
I’ll need a thumping Freemasons soundtrack and Uwe Boll to direct it.
A thought in relation to these “annoying” laws - spend a sec imagining how you’d feel if these laws had been brought in by a hard ‘rightwing’ extremist Liberal NSW Government.
The edge to them would be horrific.
But they’d be the same laws and we have them now. I guess the rather blandish rejection of them is due to the befuddled incompetency of Labor, rather than a zealotry. But it does give cause to think twice about where and how this state govt actions swiftly. This NSW Labor has form.
(How hot is it in Qld? Any rugby in Vic?)
Robert: I live in Victoria, it’s freezing cold and bloody windy, and as for Rugby - isn’t that some old private school in England? So I don’t think you’d find it here unless Jeff sold the franchise to a Hong Kong developer to build on the site of some hospital he closed.
David Rubie: why would the zombies be insatiable for condoms? Being dead, they’d be unconcerned with the fussy minutiae of “safe sex”, oui?
Or is their zest for condoms that they must scatter them hither and yon amongst clean-living young persons, who are then in danger of falling under the spell of wickedness, following the conga-line like the rats of Hamelin, to certain damnation recorded on celluloid by your slavering film crew??
Set in Sydney, eh? That Citadel of Sin. That Hedon’s Temple. Sodom Begorrah!
Well known Jesuit Priest and lawyer Frank Brennan condemns the annoyance powers on the basis of Catholic teaching:
http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=7930
DR - if I may presume to run with this:
A plucky young gay Anglican minister in training stumbles across a passage in an ancient sacred text. Apparently the zombie horde will respond only to dance, and the good people of Sydney gear up for a Mardi Gras versus WYD dance-off.
The police adjudicators delare the dance-off a tie, and due to no official annoyance or inconvenience complaints, everyone bags tea with abandon.
Ambigulous wrote:
The “braaaaaaaainzzzz” cry just wouldn’t work in this mini-universe Ambigulous, and everyone knows condoms are EVIL, therefore a useful symbolic reference. Besides which, perhaps Ansell could be persuaded to fund my movie.
FDB wrote:
Now we’re talking. This thing writes itself! Perhaps incorporating some secret message encoded in all those creepy statue heads that line the older sandstone buildings of downtown Sydney? A bit of Dan Brown style intrigue, a bit of Dan O’Bannon style comic gore, hundreds of Linnea Quigley dance-a-likes and a massive, fleshy, explosion of dancing at the end as the Mardi Gras meets the Madonna Grind.
I’m running into a couple of problems though: (a) I need a new tape for my camera and (b) the only lady I know who will willingly get naked for me refuses to do it for the camera and (c) there’s a dude called Pell on the phone and he’s very, very angry.
This art stuff is hard.
On a slightly more serious note, (not that I didn’t enjoy having a bit of fun at the expense of my Almer Ecclesiae - hope the cases agree)was noted on this morning’[s news that nobody, repeat nobody, is responsible for these regulations. Not
The Government
or the Catholic Churcj
or Cardinal Pell,
or WYD organisers
or the police, (who are apparently a bit pissed off at the regulations.)
Now that’s very interesting - so who is responsible? The Phantom of Macquarie Street?
The dude in the coffin.
DR: Is the guy called Pell on the phone really, really angry? I hope he’s not {stage pause} ANNOYED !!!
Look, fleshy dancing is fine, that’ll sell. But FDB’s climax “everyone bags tea” will never get up. “Ute Man” won’t go to the fillum - or his missus - if tea bags are involved. It’s Bundie or nuthin’ maaaaate !!
No, Mark, apparently not. Appears the dude in the lily-smelling coffin was big on civil liberties. Never know, he might get so annoyed at not being allowed to annoy he might rise up and smite some-one.
(And, OMG, wouldn’t I sh*t myself if he did.)
Hope it is all on TV.
More on the Aussie aid worker shot dead in Tanzania. There are many ways to be a pilgrim and to serve others.
Darren Stratti, died 2008.
Requiescat in pace
http://news.theage.com.au/national/aussie-died-protecting-love-of-his-life-20080703-30uw.html
Rubie - Linnea Quigley - invoke Savage Streets will you? Fleshy explosions is right!
No FDB - Return of the living dead
Actually, I’m not sure if she’s been in a film that she didn’t get nekkid in.
Based on Marks suggestion above that the guy responsible for the laws is actually not-rotting in his coffin, it’s time we broke out the torches and pitchforks I think. Get the lid off that thing!
The bizarre thing about WYD build-up is the youth will probably be wonderfully behaved and delightful visitors.
Go the adults!
Canon? “Full of water, Sir.”
“Actually, I’m not sure if she’s been in a film that she didn’t get nekkid in.”
After all the dancing zombie talk I figured it could only be this scene that brought her to mind:
http://www.bocadoinferno.com/romepeige/linne.jpg
NOT SAFE FOR WORK
I get it now, the ALP are actually anti-Catholic. By removing the situations where the WYD people get to self-righteously suffer for their faith they make sure that things are too easy for the participants and they all end up having a great time and return to Sydney over and over and gradually descend into decadence and debauchery.
May I just point out, in support of my hypothesis at 75, that the Blessed Pier Giorgio, the body in the coffin in question, is one of the WYD’s Patrons?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/CU0807/S00018.htm
“Sporty Nature” heh! It sounds like the makings of a 90s boy band. You just need a troubled one, a tough one and a chubby one and you’ve got a goldmine.
Wouldn’t there be audio issues if they’re all locked in coffins though?
Has to be attractive to the out of fold who feel like death after a big night. But what was more impressive was Pier’s general pleasantness of manner. An unannoyed welcome to Piers!
Robert wrote:
Some industry sectors are hoping so Robert.
Well I’ll be blowed.
Okay DR, that’s another idea with serious legs. Could we get it together in time for Uncorrupted Flesh to play the WYD closing ceremony?
Pier Giorgio, AKA Sporty Nature
Francis of Assisi, AKA Troubled Teen
Sebastian, AKA The Indestructible Human Pincushion
Patrick, AKA Tubby Mick
Road Manager - Gregory of Tours (sorry)
FDB - I envisage prying them out of the coffins and putting them in those plastic pod things that Spinal Tap used, although the lip synch is going to be hard work as Mark pointed out.
On an unrelated note, do you think Blessed Pier Giorgo farts as much when they move him as Piers Akerman?
Nah, it may sound like it but he’s laying down the bassline.
Will the clouds of incense work for the video do you think?
So you should be! For your penance, say one Our Father and three Hail Marys.
FDB wrote:
I kind of imagined it like the heavenly parping of trumpets FDB.
To say “LOL” sounds droll,
but I really have been laughing out loud at this thread!
“Well I’ll be blowed.”
Literally or figuratively?
It’s hard to be a saint in the city:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BktOzc8m93U