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	<title>Comments on: The last mountain</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489786</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489786</guid>
		<description>According to the ABC, &lt;a HREF="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/24/2312915.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Evans beat Sastre by 1:16&lt;/A&gt; in the 30 km time trial earlier in this year's tour.  He beat him by 2:33 - nearly a minute more than he needs now - in the equivalent time trial in the 2007 tour to the one coming up on Saturday.  Of course, Sastre may be more motivated for this TT than he was in 2007.  But Evans has a pretty reasonable chance if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the ABC, <a HREF="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/24/2312915.htm" rel="nofollow">Evans beat Sastre by 1:16</a> in the 30 km time trial earlier in this year&#8217;s tour.  He beat him by 2:33 - nearly a minute more than he needs now - in the equivalent time trial in the 2007 tour to the one coming up on Saturday.  Of course, Sastre may be more motivated for this TT than he was in 2007.  But Evans has a pretty reasonable chance if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: cows say moo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489774</link>
		<dc:creator>cows say moo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489774</guid>
		<description>Yeah great ride by Sastre but look at his CSC team. Cadel is doing amazingly well with almost no team - where are they? . It is unheard of to do so well in such a situation. He can still win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah great ride by Sastre but look at his CSC team. Cadel is doing amazingly well with almost no team - where are they? . It is unheard of to do so well in such a situation. He can still win.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489762</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489762</guid>
		<description>Cadel's close enough if he's good enough.  Bring on Saturday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cadel&#8217;s close enough if he&#8217;s good enough.  Bring on Saturday&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489753</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489753</guid>
		<description>Well, bugger.  I was totally wrong.  Frickin' Popovych got paid all that dough to do what exactly?  Burn everything up on some misbegotten glory ride.

Unfortunately, Sastre really deserves the win after that climb up Alpe d'Huez - that was magnificent.  Sad that Cadel had no answer and had been wrong footed by the Schleck brothers fake attacks.  Still, there's a sliver of hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, bugger.  I was totally wrong.  Frickin&#8217; Popovych got paid all that dough to do what exactly?  Burn everything up on some misbegotten glory ride.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Sastre really deserves the win after that climb up Alpe d&#8217;Huez - that was magnificent.  Sad that Cadel had no answer and had been wrong footed by the Schleck brothers fake attacks.  Still, there&#8217;s a sliver of hope.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489727</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489727</guid>
		<description>"The side effects aren’t much chop for endurance sports."

Uh uh girlfriend. In little weeny doses, no fun at all, it helps deal with thin air real good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The side effects aren’t much chop for endurance sports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh uh girlfriend. In little weeny doses, no fun at all, it helps deal with thin air real good.</p>
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		<title>By: feral sparrowhawk</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489581</link>
		<dc:creator>feral sparrowhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489581</guid>
		<description>I've never got into the Tour that much before. I guess I lack the patience, and I can seldom get excited about sports unless I have a team or individual to support. And the fact I was born in the same country as someone isn't enough - the idea that I had to support scum like Greg Norman based on nationality makes me sick.

However, with Evans campaigning for human rights in Tibet, and I understand being progressive on other issues as well I've suddenly developed an enthusiasm which is stuffing up my sleeping patterns. Even if I still don't understand all the tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never got into the Tour that much before. I guess I lack the patience, and I can seldom get excited about sports unless I have a team or individual to support. And the fact I was born in the same country as someone isn&#8217;t enough - the idea that I had to support scum like Greg Norman based on nationality makes me sick.</p>
<p>However, with Evans campaigning for human rights in Tibet, and I understand being progressive on other issues as well I&#8217;ve suddenly developed an enthusiasm which is stuffing up my sleeping patterns. Even if I still don&#8217;t understand all the tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489482</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489482</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Cocaine, sure. If all else fails, you’ll feel like a winner.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

U R DOIN IT RONG.

It's mostly used to keep feeling like a winner after the winning is done and replaced with that empty feeling.  The side effects aren't much chop for endurance sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Cocaine, sure. If all else fails, you’ll feel like a winner.</p></blockquote>
<p>U R DOIN IT RONG.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s mostly used to keep feeling like a winner after the winning is done and replaced with that empty feeling.  The side effects aren&#8217;t much chop for endurance sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489429</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489429</guid>
		<description>Apparently going along in an ether-induced daze was preferable - and quicker - than reality of the tour.  Hard to believe, I know, but that's what they apparently did according to the all-knowing Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently going along in an ether-induced daze was preferable - and quicker - than reality of the tour.  Hard to believe, I know, but that&#8217;s what they apparently did according to the all-knowing Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489382</link>
		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489382</guid>
		<description>Sleepily listening to RN earlier this week, two major accredited labs were sent EPO spiked urine samples, one could ahrdly find any, the other only reported minimal positive results. 

Seems to me that EPO is still successfully getting through.

Not that I have the foggiest, or care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sleepily listening to RN earlier this week, two major accredited labs were sent EPO spiked urine samples, one could ahrdly find any, the other only reported minimal positive results. </p>
<p>Seems to me that EPO is still successfully getting through.</p>
<p>Not that I have the foggiest, or care.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489378</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489378</guid>
		<description>Ether?

WTF?

Dulls the pain, sure. Along with all other senses, replacing them with floaty hallucinations. What could be worse?

Cocaine, sure. If all else fails, you'll &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; like a winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ether?</p>
<p>WTF?</p>
<p>Dulls the pain, sure. Along with all other senses, replacing them with floaty hallucinations. What could be worse?</p>
<p>Cocaine, sure. If all else fails, you&#8217;ll <i>feel</i> like a winner.</p>
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		<title>By: The Intellectual Bogan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489373</link>
		<dc:creator>The Intellectual Bogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489373</guid>
		<description>How on earth would alcohol be performance enhancing?  Except maybe to dull the terror of a long, fast descent with old tech brakes and tyres I s'pose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How on earth would alcohol be performance enhancing?  Except maybe to dull the terror of a long, fast descent with old tech brakes and tyres I s&#8217;pose.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489360</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489360</guid>
		<description>For what it's worth, I've no doubt that there remain significant numbers in the peloton still using performance-enhancing drugs.  But the average times up the climbs seem to be going up, not down.  Furthermore, there seems to be a bit less of the crazy swings and roundabouts in performance from day to day (most obviously Floyd Landis in 2006, but there were other less outlandish examples).  So, yeah, I reckon it's probably more legit this year than for a while.

Furthermore, the Tour has never been "drug-free".  Back in the earliest days they were using alcohol, cocaine, ether, and even strychnine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;ve no doubt that there remain significant numbers in the peloton still using performance-enhancing drugs.  But the average times up the climbs seem to be going up, not down.  Furthermore, there seems to be a bit less of the crazy swings and roundabouts in performance from day to day (most obviously Floyd Landis in 2006, but there were other less outlandish examples).  So, yeah, I reckon it&#8217;s probably more legit this year than for a while.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the Tour has never been &#8220;drug-free&#8221;.  Back in the earliest days they were using alcohol, cocaine, ether, and even strychnine.</p>
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		<title>By: aidan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489346</link>
		<dc:creator>aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489346</guid>
		<description>Cows, from your link:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;It has been reported Ricco believed there was no test for the red-cell booster he was using called CERA (Continuous Erythropietin Receptor Activator).
But WADA president John Fahey says when developing the drug Roche Pharmaceuticals placed a molecule in it to help authorities detect illegal use.
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;If&lt;/b&gt; it is true there is no test for CERA then if it can be sourced from elsewhere (or somehow cleaned of the tracer compound) it can be taken with impunity. This case and history shows that if athletes think they can get away with it some of them will take performance enhancing drugs.

Cows said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Aiden i dunno how you can say there are ‘definitely riders in this years tour doing performance enhancing substances’ given the testing regime these days. How do you know?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Probabilities. They have already caught some. After one was caught did you think "Phew, they caught the one cheat"? When a second tested positive was it "at last, the only two cheats left are gone, the Tour is clean!"? After the third (and subsequently Saunier Duval quit the race .. draw your own conclusions)? Are you so sure they have got them all? I'm pretty sure they haven't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cows, from your link:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>It has been reported Ricco believed there was no test for the red-cell booster he was using called CERA (Continuous Erythropietin Receptor Activator).<br />
But WADA president John Fahey says when developing the drug Roche Pharmaceuticals placed a molecule in it to help authorities detect illegal use.<br />
</i></p></blockquote>
<p><b>If</b> it is true there is no test for CERA then if it can be sourced from elsewhere (or somehow cleaned of the tracer compound) it can be taken with impunity. This case and history shows that if athletes think they can get away with it some of them will take performance enhancing drugs.</p>
<p>Cows said:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Aiden i dunno how you can say there are ‘definitely riders in this years tour doing performance enhancing substances’ given the testing regime these days. How do you know?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Probabilities. They have already caught some. After one was caught did you think &#8220;Phew, they caught the one cheat&#8221;? When a second tested positive was it &#8220;at last, the only two cheats left are gone, the Tour is clean!&#8221;? After the third (and subsequently Saunier Duval quit the race .. draw your own conclusions)? Are you so sure they have got them all? I&#8217;m pretty sure they haven&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Fine</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489312</link>
		<dc:creator>Fine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489312</guid>
		<description>So three riders have been kicked out for drugs. This may mean they got them all, or it may mean there are others lurking. But it least they seem to be taking it seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So three riders have been kicked out for drugs. This may mean they got them all, or it may mean there are others lurking. But it least they seem to be taking it seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: cows say moo!</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489306</link>
		<dc:creator>cows say moo!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489306</guid>
		<description>Aiden i dunno how you can say there are 'definitely riders in this years tour doing performance enhancing substances' given the testing regime these days. How do you know?

See 

&lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/tourdefrance/ricco-busted-with-help-of-planted-molecule/2008/07/23/1216492496759.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.smh.com.au/news/tourdefrance/ricco-busted-with-help-of-planted-molecule/2008/07/23/1216492496759.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aiden i dunno how you can say there are &#8216;definitely riders in this years tour doing performance enhancing substances&#8217; given the testing regime these days. How do you know?</p>
<p>See </p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/tourdefrance/ricco-busted-with-help-of-planted-molecule/2008/07/23/1216492496759.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/tourdefrance/ricco-busted-with-help-of-planted-molecule/2008/07/23/1216492496759.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: aidan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489299</link>
		<dc:creator>aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489299</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Whilst there have been a few cheats caught this year I think cycling has seriously cleaned up its act. The style of racing now ( ie not going up hill at 35km/h or doing 60 km Time Trials at 55 km’h average) like they did in the 1990s indicates this.

Plus they are the most drug tested athletes in the world. It is very difficult to ride doped now.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The defending champ, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Contador" rel="nofollow"&gt;Alberto Contador&lt;/a&gt; is not riding the Tour de France as his team, Astana, was not invited because they had three riders test positive last year, two of them in the Tour itself (can't inline this link):

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/feb08/feb13news3

Cycling is cleaner than it was 10 years ago, probably as a result of being able to detect EPO doping, but there are definitely riders in this years tour doing performance enhancing substances. I wonder which ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Whilst there have been a few cheats caught this year I think cycling has seriously cleaned up its act. The style of racing now ( ie not going up hill at 35km/h or doing 60 km Time Trials at 55 km’h average) like they did in the 1990s indicates this.</p>
<p>Plus they are the most drug tested athletes in the world. It is very difficult to ride doped now.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The defending champ, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Contador" rel="nofollow">Alberto Contador</a> is not riding the Tour de France as his team, Astana, was not invited because they had three riders test positive last year, two of them in the Tour itself (can&#8217;t inline this link):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/feb08/feb13news3" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/feb08/feb13news3</a></p>
<p>Cycling is cleaner than it was 10 years ago, probably as a result of being able to detect EPO doping, but there are definitely riders in this years tour doing performance enhancing substances. I wonder which ones?</p>
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		<title>By: dylwah</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489258</link>
		<dc:creator>dylwah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489258</guid>
		<description>yea verily are we breaking all our rules by staying up so late, night after night.  the Hbomb has never seen so much tv in the morn as her parents try to pull themselves together to start the day proper.  tonight we will move one of teh beds into the lounge and sit, drinks in hand, propped up on pillows, far too comfy to be watching this modern form of tourture they call sport.  

Onya Cadel

as a footnote, props are due to AIS as they supported Cadel in his desire to be a great mountain biker at a time when that sport was just beginning and there was no clear indication that it would be as big as it is now.  several of my mountain biking friends used to talk about this 'kid, a kid i tell you, he just went straight past me'  who embaressed a few.  i've wondered if it was him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea verily are we breaking all our rules by staying up so late, night after night.  the Hbomb has never seen so much tv in the morn as her parents try to pull themselves together to start the day proper.  tonight we will move one of teh beds into the lounge and sit, drinks in hand, propped up on pillows, far too comfy to be watching this modern form of tourture they call sport.  </p>
<p>Onya Cadel</p>
<p>as a footnote, props are due to AIS as they supported Cadel in his desire to be a great mountain biker at a time when that sport was just beginning and there was no clear indication that it would be as big as it is now.  several of my mountain biking friends used to talk about this &#8216;kid, a kid i tell you, he just went straight past me&#8217;  who embaressed a few.  i&#8217;ve wondered if it was him.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489255</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489255</guid>
		<description>@David Rubie,I'm sure they know we want more. 

Just a reminder that tonight's broadcast starts at 9:35.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Rubie,I&#8217;m sure they know we want more. </p>
<p>Just a reminder that tonight&#8217;s broadcast starts at 9:35.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489214</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489214</guid>
		<description>Phil, I don't suppose you can tell SBS that we'd like to see the first hour of the cycling along with the finish?  I can never find a decent net video feed for the bits that SBS don't broadcast and have been relying on the official TdF page for updates.  We always miss out on the initial breakaways and especially on last nights stage, seeing how those packs formed initially.  Otherwise, it's been compelling and the SBS TdF site is always good (so kudos!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, I don&#8217;t suppose you can tell SBS that we&#8217;d like to see the first hour of the cycling along with the finish?  I can never find a decent net video feed for the bits that SBS don&#8217;t broadcast and have been relying on the official TdF page for updates.  We always miss out on the initial breakaways and especially on last nights stage, seeing how those packs formed initially.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s been compelling and the SBS TdF site is always good (so kudos!).</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/23/the-last-mountain/#comment-489209</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FDB heh! It fulfills the multicultural charter.....I think. Anyhoo, this cycling fan has had more fun than a barrel of monkeys doing this, ta to SBS for giving me a shot at working on my cycling editing skillz.

Allez Cadel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FDB heh! It fulfills the multicultural charter&#8230;..I think. Anyhoo, this cycling fan has had more fun than a barrel of monkeys doing this, ta to SBS for giving me a shot at working on my cycling editing skillz.</p>
<p>Allez Cadel!</p>
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