Comments on: Brough end of the Pineapple http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:50:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490896 steve Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:53:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490896 Now the Pineapple Party is going to blitz us with TV ad campaign to celebrate 24 hours of unity. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gmsOl-RSQ Now the Pineapple Party is going to blitz us with TV ad campaign to celebrate 24 hours of unity.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gmsOl-RSQ

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490878 steve Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:19:21 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490878 what I want to know is who will the Pineapple party blame for the next election loss now they haven't got the Liberals to blame? what I want to know is who will the Pineapple party blame for the next election loss now they haven’t got the Liberals to blame?

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490876 steve Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:06:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490876 Benjo Democracy will benefit only because the next election stands a good chance of having independent conservatives standing against and defeating Pineapple Party candidates. Good independents running on local issues could well swamp a party with rural policies for the city and city policies for rural electorates. The preselection stoushes for those who aren't sitting members will be a sight to behold. Benjo Democracy will benefit only because the next election stands a good chance of having independent conservatives standing against and defeating Pineapple Party candidates. Good independents running on local issues could well swamp a party with rural policies for the city and city policies for rural electorates.

The preselection stoushes for those who aren’t sitting members will be a sight to behold.

]]> By: Benjo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490805 Benjo Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:45:33 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490805 David WNo Gravatar Jul 26th, 2008 at 7:30 pm Possibly because your view of pineapple politics may be stuck in the 80'S. The fact that QLD is unique on this occasion is actually a good thing. Democracy will benefit. David WNo Gravatar
Jul 26th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

Possibly because your view of pineapple politics may be stuck in the 80′S. The fact that QLD is unique on this occasion is actually a good thing. Democracy will benefit.

]]> By: David W http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490781 David W Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:30:21 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490781 This is just a National Party takeover. National Party Leader, National Party President and the Nationals dominate the Parliamentary Group. The Liberals basically don't exist & that concerns me as a Brisbane Liberal voter, I believe the Nationals are still the Party of the bush. This is just a National Party takeover. National Party Leader, National Party President and the Nationals dominate the Parliamentary Group. The Liberals basically don’t exist & that concerns me as a Brisbane Liberal voter, I believe the Nationals are still the Party of the bush.

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490732 steve Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:01:41 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490732 Both parties have voted to merge and everyone is happy. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24080605-5003402,00.html Both parties have voted to merge and everyone is happy.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24080605-5003402,00.html

]]> By: Brian http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490717 Brian Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:33:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490717 BTW I heard last night at the Sofitel door that Santoro and his mob had come on board. I understand there was a letter from Nelson late in the piece that said he had plans to revitalise the Qld Liberal Party. Brough used this for his one last stand. There is speculation that it was written by the likes of Brandis and shoved in front of Nelson's nose to sign in return for support in leadership battles to come. Some Liberals (Brandis?) think it would be infra-dig to be in cahoots with a mob of cow cockies and hayseeds. Essentially they'd rather die. There were plenty of Libs there yesterday. The ones that don't want to die. The Nats, it is thought, would be $2m better off if they started a new party without the Libs, but no-one knows for sure how much debt they bring to the marriage. The Nats are finding out the hard way about Brough's operational style. The Nats have always been a strongly democratic party with policies and ideas flowing up from the grass roots. The Libs are the reverse. The membership is there to make up the numbers. That's all the goss. I'll get back to work now. BTW I heard last night at the Sofitel door that Santoro and his mob had come on board.

I understand there was a letter from Nelson late in the piece that said he had plans to revitalise the Qld Liberal Party. Brough used this for his one last stand. There is speculation that it was written by the likes of Brandis and shoved in front of Nelson’s nose to sign in return for support in leadership battles to come.

Some Liberals (Brandis?) think it would be infra-dig to be in cahoots with a mob of cow cockies and hayseeds. Essentially they’d rather die.

There were plenty of Libs there yesterday. The ones that don’t want to die.

The Nats, it is thought, would be $2m better off if they started a new party without the Libs, but no-one knows for sure how much debt they bring to the marriage.

The Nats are finding out the hard way about Brough’s operational style. The Nats have always been a strongly democratic party with policies and ideas flowing up from the grass roots. The Libs are the reverse. The membership is there to make up the numbers.

That’s all the goss. I’ll get back to work now.

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490670 Kim Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:56:50 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490670 I don't see how, no matter what the Borg's pr spin might be, the creation of the new party magically wishes away the ambitions and strategems of factional hacks like Santoro and his crew. I don’t see how, no matter what the Borg’s pr spin might be, the creation of the new party magically wishes away the ambitions and strategems of factional hacks like Santoro and his crew.

]]> By: James http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490636 James Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:32:47 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490636 I'm not sure if this is a forum for serious discussion... or for leftist ideologues to vent, but I will treat it as the former. Looking at Graham Young's analysis, he is still sees everythign through the prism of when he was a Liberal. <em>...the Liberal Party has little to do with amalgamation and everything to do with <strong>factional</strong> politics. Santoro was resolutely opposed to the amalgamation until he realised he could use it as a <strong>weapon against his enemies</strong>. He even campaigned against Brough when he first announced his intention to run for president because he was pro-amalgamation! Now Santoro is its biggest supporter and bags Brough <strong>because he is alleged to be part of the Tucker faction</strong> and anti-amalgamation.</em> I'm not saying the factions play no part in the Liberal Party these days, but I have heard many Liberals tell me from some months ago that the weight of party opinion supported amalgamation. So it is very likely that Santo sniffed the wind and wanted to be on the winning side. It is far less likely that this is part of some last gasp factional play. I’m not sure if this is a forum for serious discussion… or for leftist ideologues to vent, but I will treat it as the former.

Looking at Graham Young’s analysis, he is still sees everythign through the prism of when he was a Liberal.

…the Liberal Party has little to do with amalgamation and everything to do with factional politics. Santoro was resolutely opposed to the amalgamation until he realised he could use it as a weapon against his enemies. He even campaigned against Brough when he first announced his intention to run for president because he was pro-amalgamation! Now Santoro is its biggest supporter and bags Brough because he is alleged to be part of the Tucker faction and anti-amalgamation.

I’m not saying the factions play no part in the Liberal Party these days, but I have heard many Liberals tell me from some months ago that the weight of party opinion supported amalgamation. So it is very likely that Santo sniffed the wind and wanted to be on the winning side. It is far less likely that this is part of some last gasp factional play.

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490607 steve Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:47:16 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490607 The Queensland Supreme court tonight overturned the result from last night's meeting and the convention will go ahead as planned. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24074748-952,00.html The Queensland Supreme court tonight overturned the result from last night’s meeting and the convention will go ahead as planned.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24074748-952,00.html

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490605 Kim Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:24:41 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490605 Completely farcical scenes on the news tonight. And John Quiggin's take: http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/07/25/no-libationals-today/ Completely farcical scenes on the news tonight.

And John Quiggin’s take:

http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/07/25/no-libationals-today/

]]> By: Joe http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490556 Joe Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:53:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490556 So somehow Brough pulling the pin at the last minute and not giving his party a vote is Santoro's fault? I thought Brough got elected on the basis that he would make the new constitution more democratic. First they wanted an unelected president forced on the new party now they don't want their Liberal members to have a say on the floor of convention... Bring on the LNP! So somehow Brough pulling the pin at the last minute and not giving his party a vote is Santoro’s fault? I thought Brough got elected on the basis that he would make the new constitution more democratic. First they wanted an unelected president forced on the new party now they don’t want their Liberal members to have a say on the floor of convention…

Bring on the LNP!

]]> By: Ambigulous http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490513 Ambigulous Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:42:02 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490513 Maybe they should just TOSS A COIN?? Maybe they should just TOSS A COIN??

]]> By: Craig Johnstone http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490507 Craig Johnstone Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:23:20 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/25/brough-end-of-the-pineapple/#comment-490507 I think it's a bit more complex to be described as just another Santo conspiracy. The end game is all about delivering a credible alternative to Queensland electors and neither the Nats nor the Libs are achieving that at the moment. Again, they have allowed some pretty dreadful performances by Bligh ministers this week at Estimates go into the ether without so much as a passing comment. I think it’s a bit more complex to be described as just another Santo conspiracy. The end game is all about delivering a credible alternative to Queensland electors and neither the Nats nor the Libs are achieving that at the moment. Again, they have allowed some pretty dreadful performances by Bligh ministers this week at Estimates go into the ether without so much as a passing comment.

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