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	<title>Comments on: Queenslandism</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/</link>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491146</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491146</guid>
		<description>David at 20, years ago, The Borg went on a study tour to Canada to look at the amalgamation of the Reform and Tory parties there. The Canadian Tories' full name was "Progressive Conservatives". That's where I think he's getting it from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David at 20, years ago, The Borg went on a study tour to Canada to look at the amalgamation of the Reform and Tory parties there. The Canadian Tories&#8217; full name was &#8220;Progressive Conservatives&#8221;. That&#8217;s where I think he&#8217;s getting it from.</p>
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		<title>By: Calum</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491144</link>
		<dc:creator>Calum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491144</guid>
		<description>Liberal democracy post television as we all know is about marketing. The construction of Liberal vs Conservative politicians in struggle in a new party is misleading. What is more important is the struglle to retain both Liberal and conservative voters. Howard and Costello were perfect complementary products that enabled this to happen. Does the LNP have the same marketing ability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal democracy post television as we all know is about marketing. The construction of Liberal vs Conservative politicians in struggle in a new party is misleading. What is more important is the struglle to retain both Liberal and conservative voters. Howard and Costello were perfect complementary products that enabled this to happen. Does the LNP have the same marketing ability?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491120</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491120</guid>
		<description>I had a WTF? moment this morning, when I heard Springborg descibing the Pineapple Party as " ... a new conservative progressive party ... "

Still, South Australians of a certain age will hear faint resonances of Tom Playford's Liberal-Country League.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a WTF? moment this morning, when I heard Springborg descibing the Pineapple Party as &#8221; &#8230; a new conservative progressive party &#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>Still, South Australians of a certain age will hear faint resonances of Tom Playford&#8217;s Liberal-Country League.</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out of Sài Gòn</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491040</link>
		<dc:creator>Down and Out of Sài Gòn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491040</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;It is better than Bligh. That is New Farm at the moment Mark. Bring it on is the response!&lt;/i&gt;

Better than Bligh? Really? I'm not that impressed with her, but she ain't no Morris Iemma. How are the LibNats going to improve on her performance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is better than Bligh. That is New Farm at the moment Mark. Bring it on is the response!</i></p>
<p>Better than Bligh? Really? I&#8217;m not that impressed with her, but she ain&#8217;t no Morris Iemma. How are the LibNats going to improve on her performance?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491035</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491035</guid>
		<description>

&lt;blockquote&gt;Writing in Crikey on Friday, Richard Farmer believed he had cut to the heart of the reasons why the foundation of the Pineapple Party has been accompanied by so many alarums and such bitterness:

"Underlying the problem is clearly the impossibility of combining liberal thought, free market believers, Neanderthal agrarian socialism and intolerant social conservatives."

Incidentally, one might note that exactly the same problem has been evident in the post-Howardian Liberal Party, absent the dead hand of Howard himself and the glue of office. 

In Queensland, of course, the political traditions and electoral and social geography of the state make both the free market strand and the social liberals very much minority constituencies, and there’s no doubt they will now be swamped by the social conservatives and the agrarian socialists within the LNP. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Not to mention those ardent souls, the greenhouse denialists and Marohasian anti-environmentalists in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Writing in Crikey on Friday, Richard Farmer believed he had cut to the heart of the reasons why the foundation of the Pineapple Party has been accompanied by so many alarums and such bitterness:</p>
<p>&#8220;Underlying the problem is clearly the impossibility of combining liberal thought, free market believers, Neanderthal agrarian socialism and intolerant social conservatives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Incidentally, one might note that exactly the same problem has been evident in the post-Howardian Liberal Party, absent the dead hand of Howard himself and the glue of office. </p>
<p>In Queensland, of course, the political traditions and electoral and social geography of the state make both the free market strand and the social liberals very much minority constituencies, and there’s no doubt they will now be swamped by the social conservatives and the agrarian socialists within the LNP. </p></blockquote>
<p>Not to mention those ardent souls, the greenhouse denialists and Marohasian anti-environmentalists in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Kakuru</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491034</link>
		<dc:creator>Kakuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491034</guid>
		<description>tomd - That was my thought too.  Springborg made a great deal of noise about how the new party will be as much Liberal as National.  The colour blue (rather than the Nats' green) featured prominently in the promotional campaign.  But the end result is still a takeover of the Libs by the Nats.  Whether SE Qlders recognise it as such will depend a lot on the ensuing marketing campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tomd - That was my thought too.  Springborg made a great deal of noise about how the new party will be as much Liberal as National.  The colour blue (rather than the Nats&#8217; green) featured prominently in the promotional campaign.  But the end result is still a takeover of the Libs by the Nats.  Whether SE Qlders recognise it as such will depend a lot on the ensuing marketing campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: tomd</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491017</link>
		<dc:creator>tomd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491017</guid>
		<description>Will the new Nationals-dominated party appeal to former Liberal voting (or potentially Liberal voting) metropolitan South-East Queenslanders, though? Weren't some of them already scared off by the thought of voting Liberal and ending up with Springborg in a coalition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the new Nationals-dominated party appeal to former Liberal voting (or potentially Liberal voting) metropolitan South-East Queenslanders, though? Weren&#8217;t some of them already scared off by the thought of voting Liberal and ending up with Springborg in a coalition?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491007</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491007</guid>
		<description>It is better than Bligh. That is New Farm at the moment Mark. Bring it on is the response!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is better than Bligh. That is New Farm at the moment Mark. Bring it on is the response!</p>
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		<title>By: Bingo Bango Boingo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491000</link>
		<dc:creator>Bingo Bango Boingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-491000</guid>
		<description>"Underlying the problem is clearly the impossibility of combining liberal thought, free market believers, Neanderthal agrarian socialism and intolerant social conservatives."

Huh?  The ALP has done a decent job of it in NSW and Victoria.

BBB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Underlying the problem is clearly the impossibility of combining liberal thought, free market believers, Neanderthal agrarian socialism and intolerant social conservatives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh?  The ALP has done a decent job of it in NSW and Victoria.</p>
<p>BBB</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490963</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490963</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Update&lt;/b&gt;: More from &lt;a href="http://www.pollbludger.com/901" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Poll Bludger&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Update</b>: More from <a href="http://www.pollbludger.com/901" rel="nofollow">The Poll Bludger</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490961</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490961</guid>
		<description>I've heard nothing yet on when the Pineapple Party intend pruning some of their worse performing members from the Shadow Ministry either. Messanger, Stuckey,Hobbs,McArdle are standout Duds who have been missing in action. Langbroek, Simpson, Seeney and Nicholls also been struggling to make an impact.

None have produced any policy that will progress their cause. Surely the Pineapple Party is not going to tolerate the laziness and unproductivity we have seen from these members when they were Nationals and Liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard nothing yet on when the Pineapple Party intend pruning some of their worse performing members from the Shadow Ministry either. Messanger, Stuckey,Hobbs,McArdle are standout Duds who have been missing in action. Langbroek, Simpson, Seeney and Nicholls also been struggling to make an impact.</p>
<p>None have produced any policy that will progress their cause. Surely the Pineapple Party is not going to tolerate the laziness and unproductivity we have seen from these members when they were Nationals and Liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490960</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490960</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mal Brough will now be a member of what?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, he's the President of the Queensland Liberal Party, he says. Which doesn't exist. But he might still have a political career, he says.

Does that mean:

(a) Brough will seek to be the new new saviour of the Liberals federally, and become the next member for Higgins? (...as was mooted earlier in the year)?

(b) Try to get some sort of continuing Qld Liberal Party going at state level?

Or does it mean - he's played his hand so badly he's completely screwed?

It'll be very interesting to watch what Bruce Flegg does. I wonder if he was at the Borg's love-in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mal Brough will now be a member of what?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, he&#8217;s the President of the Queensland Liberal Party, he says. Which doesn&#8217;t exist. But he might still have a political career, he says.</p>
<p>Does that mean:</p>
<p>(a) Brough will seek to be the new new saviour of the Liberals federally, and become the next member for Higgins? (&#8230;as was mooted earlier in the year)?</p>
<p>(b) Try to get some sort of continuing Qld Liberal Party going at state level?</p>
<p>Or does it mean - he&#8217;s played his hand so badly he&#8217;s completely screwed?</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be very interesting to watch what Bruce Flegg does. I wonder if he was at the Borg&#8217;s love-in.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490955</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490955</guid>
		<description>It seems from their website we will soon have fully costed policies on traffic congestion, fixing the Education system, fixing the hospital system and an improvement on the Nationals lazy four page water Policy.  

This along with their policies on daylight saving, tree clearing, gun laws and child safety changes will make the next day or two busy for them as their combined wisdom comes off the printing presses.

Perhaps Mark McArdle could quickly get out his policy for protecting seniors from being ripped off by unscrupulous investment schemes.

It's going to be a busy couple of days but I will read it all with interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems from their website we will soon have fully costed policies on traffic congestion, fixing the Education system, fixing the hospital system and an improvement on the Nationals lazy four page water Policy.  </p>
<p>This along with their policies on daylight saving, tree clearing, gun laws and child safety changes will make the next day or two busy for them as their combined wisdom comes off the printing presses.</p>
<p>Perhaps Mark McArdle could quickly get out his policy for protecting seniors from being ripped off by unscrupulous investment schemes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be a busy couple of days but I will read it all with interest.</p>
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		<title>By: wpd</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490949</link>
		<dc:creator>wpd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490949</guid>
		<description>"finally deliver to the people of Queensland what they 
so desperately deserve"

"Desperately deserve" now that's The Borg.

I suspect that Anna is already contemplating legislation that will rent them asunder.  More gun restrictions?  Daylight saving?

Mal Brough will now be a member of what?

Nevertheless, Clive Palmer will be well satisified.  He has financed a successful takeover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;finally deliver to the people of Queensland what they<br />
so desperately deserve&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Desperately deserve&#8221; now that&#8217;s The Borg.</p>
<p>I suspect that Anna is already contemplating legislation that will rent them asunder.  More gun restrictions?  Daylight saving?</p>
<p>Mal Brough will now be a member of what?</p>
<p>Nevertheless, Clive Palmer will be well satisified.  He has financed a successful takeover.</p>
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		<title>By: PinkyOz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490947</link>
		<dc:creator>PinkyOz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490947</guid>
		<description>Interesting as always Mark.

So what now? The party that might have at least once represented a liberal standpoint (although by your reckoning not so much in QLD) is gone, replaced by the type of social conservatism that I'm finding more unpleasant by the day.  And Labor showing little more restraint, with unnerving mumblings of moral outrage and a reactionary policy approach (using the nice words today for a change).  Leaving us with yet more unpalatable choices for an election that could happen either later this year or next.

It's not going to change is it, not until someone changes it for us, 'Special Economic Region of Australia' here we come ... OK a little melodramatic maybe :)  but what we are getting now is what a population as apathetic to its leadership as ours ends up with and ultimately deserves.

PinkyOz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting as always Mark.</p>
<p>So what now? The party that might have at least once represented a liberal standpoint (although by your reckoning not so much in QLD) is gone, replaced by the type of social conservatism that I&#8217;m finding more unpleasant by the day.  And Labor showing little more restraint, with unnerving mumblings of moral outrage and a reactionary policy approach (using the nice words today for a change).  Leaving us with yet more unpalatable choices for an election that could happen either later this year or next.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not going to change is it, not until someone changes it for us, &#8216;Special Economic Region of Australia&#8217; here we come &#8230; OK a little melodramatic maybe <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  but what we are getting now is what a population as apathetic to its leadership as ours ends up with and ultimately deserves.</p>
<p>PinkyOz</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490946</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490946</guid>
		<description>Springborg might have written that himself. It makes about as much sense as most of what he says aside from "We'll fix the roads, we'll fix the schools and hospitals (details later)."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Springborg might have written that himself. It makes about as much sense as most of what he says aside from &#8220;We&#8217;ll fix the roads, we&#8217;ll fix the schools and hospitals (details later).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out Of Sài Gòn</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490945</link>
		<dc:creator>Down and Out Of Sài Gòn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490945</guid>
		<description>Turn down your speakers if you want to follow Kim's link. Once loaded into your browser, the site launches a YouTube consisting of lots of corporatespeak buzzwords ("aspiration"... "drive"... "initiative"... "confidence") set to some U2 toon. I suppose Bono's lawyers would be very interested. (Hint. Hint. Easiest way to get into tomorrow's Courier Mail, if you are looking for extra incentive.) I am not impressed. 

And can anyone understand what this paragraph is meant to convey?

&lt;i&gt;Our capacity to generate renewable power isn't to be measured as a quantity - as our vast reserves of coal and minerals, prime agricultural land, or fishing grounds have been measured in the past. Across Queensland, our diverse regions offer diverse opportunities to generate energy to drive our homes, our commerce and our way of life and keep on driving them in perpetuity.&lt;/i&gt;

Are they for renewables or against it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turn down your speakers if you want to follow Kim&#8217;s link. Once loaded into your browser, the site launches a YouTube consisting of lots of corporatespeak buzzwords (&#8221;aspiration&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;drive&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;initiative&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;confidence&#8221;) set to some U2 toon. I suppose Bono&#8217;s lawyers would be very interested. (Hint. Hint. Easiest way to get into tomorrow&#8217;s Courier Mail, if you are looking for extra incentive.) I am not impressed. </p>
<p>And can anyone understand what this paragraph is meant to convey?</p>
<p><i>Our capacity to generate renewable power isn&#8217;t to be measured as a quantity - as our vast reserves of coal and minerals, prime agricultural land, or fishing grounds have been measured in the past. Across Queensland, our diverse regions offer diverse opportunities to generate energy to drive our homes, our commerce and our way of life and keep on driving them in perpetuity.</i></p>
<p>Are they for renewables or against it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490940</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490940</guid>
		<description>Here's the LNP website if anyone's interested:

http://www.lnp.org.au/index.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the LNP website if anyone&#8217;s interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lnp.org.au/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.lnp.org.au/index.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490936</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490936</guid>
		<description>It's the "glue of office" (or the smell of the glue of propsective office) which holds many a political party together I guess. The stronger the chance of office, the stronger the glue (which I suppose means the broader the church that can be held together by that glue before it starts to break apart).

I figure any real liberals in the federal Liberal Party had spent so many years being held fast by the toxic glue of the Howard years that the liberal streak was pretty much mummified anyway.

(pondered whether to make bad pun about sticky situations, but decided against it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the &#8220;glue of office&#8221; (or the smell of the glue of propsective office) which holds many a political party together I guess. The stronger the chance of office, the stronger the glue (which I suppose means the broader the church that can be held together by that glue before it starts to break apart).</p>
<p>I figure any real liberals in the federal Liberal Party had spent so many years being held fast by the toxic glue of the Howard years that the liberal streak was pretty much mummified anyway.</p>
<p>(pondered whether to make bad pun about sticky situations, but decided against it)</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490933</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/27/queenslandism/#comment-490933</guid>
		<description>What I want to know is, if this is supposedly a 'new' political party that only operates in Queensland, then why does it contain the word 'national'? Or is QLD a nation unto itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is, if this is supposedly a &#8216;new&#8217; political party that only operates in Queensland, then why does it contain the word &#8216;national&#8217;? Or is QLD a nation unto itself?</p>
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