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		<title>By: Paul Dalby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Dalby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Bolt exists entirely to entertain the left intelligentsia and give them someone to ridicule now that poor John Howard has been hounded out of the court, and given that no-one can dislike Brendan. The right must feel slightly put out by the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Bolt exists entirely to entertain the left intelligentsia and give them someone to ridicule now that poor John Howard has been hounded out of the court, and given that no-one can dislike Brendan. The right must feel slightly put out by the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491484</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... but the nickname &quot;Germs&quot; must be germane to biology at least, I&#039;d have thought. 

Spiros, your image of smoke issuing forth from Professor Bolt is one I could have done without. But I&#039;ll keep an eye on &quot;Insiders&quot; just to check. It&#039;s important to use empirical observations. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; but the nickname &#8220;Germs&#8221; must be germane to biology at least, I&#8217;d have thought. </p>
<p>Spiros, your image of smoke issuing forth from Professor Bolt is one I could have done without. But I&#8217;ll keep an eye on &#8220;Insiders&#8221; just to check. It&#8217;s important to use empirical observations. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491482</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But is germaine germane to anything, these days?? just askin&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But is germaine germane to anything, these days?? just askin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491476</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;very germaine to climate change science&quot;

You mean to feminism, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;very germaine to climate change science&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean to feminism, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491475</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have thought biology was very germaine to climate change science. Mass extinctions and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought biology was very germaine to climate change science. Mass extinctions and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiros</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491469</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, it is the utter ignorance of scientific method that really makes the denialists stand out, and not in a good way. How often do we hear them say that the theory that greenhouse emissions causes climate change hasn&#039;t been proved, as if it is a mathematical theorem, capable of logical proof? 

Gerard Henderson recently had a go at the credentials of Robin Williams (of the ABC Science unit) to speak about climate change, on the grounds that Williams&#039; degree is in biology, not climate science. Maybe so, but anyone with a degree in any science will know about the process of how scientific theories are tested and falsified, how scientific knowledge is accumulated, and when a scientific theory is settled. This, as much as the content of climate science, distinguishes the people who know what they are talking about, from those who like Andrew Bolt who are merely blowing smoke out of their arse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, it is the utter ignorance of scientific method that really makes the denialists stand out, and not in a good way. How often do we hear them say that the theory that greenhouse emissions causes climate change hasn&#8217;t been proved, as if it is a mathematical theorem, capable of logical proof? </p>
<p>Gerard Henderson recently had a go at the credentials of Robin Williams (of the ABC Science unit) to speak about climate change, on the grounds that Williams&#8217; degree is in biology, not climate science. Maybe so, but anyone with a degree in any science will know about the process of how scientific theories are tested and falsified, how scientific knowledge is accumulated, and when a scientific theory is settled. This, as much as the content of climate science, distinguishes the people who know what they are talking about, from those who like Andrew Bolt who are merely blowing smoke out of their arse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491459</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Norton,

There&#039;s also the usual misunderstanding of scientific progress, scientific hypotheses and science&#039;s position on the &quot;knowable&quot;. As posters on another thread indicated, science does NOT claim perfect knowledge or perfect theories. 

A statement isn&#039;t scientific unless it is (in principle) falsifiable.
History is littered with scientific theories that were the best guess of an era and were later modified, improved, or discarded. Those theories were the best they had, and were later found incomplete or false. But in MANY areas we stupid apes have to use the best available knowledge (not only in science); we have no other choice.

I&#039;d like to see the MSM teach Scientific Methods 101, as an adjunct to the AGW debate, but I won&#039;t be holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Norton,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the usual misunderstanding of scientific progress, scientific hypotheses and science&#8217;s position on the &#8220;knowable&#8221;. As posters on another thread indicated, science does NOT claim perfect knowledge or perfect theories. </p>
<p>A statement isn&#8217;t scientific unless it is (in principle) falsifiable.<br />
History is littered with scientific theories that were the best guess of an era and were later modified, improved, or discarded. Those theories were the best they had, and were later found incomplete or false. But in MANY areas we stupid apes have to use the best available knowledge (not only in science); we have no other choice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see the MSM teach Scientific Methods 101, as an adjunct to the AGW debate, but I won&#8217;t be holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the interesting aspects of poll results on global warming is that if you consider them in the light of the stated, known and reasonably suspected positions of many politicians, business leaders, media commentators, thinktankers, right-wing intellectuals, etc., greenhouse scepticism and greenhouse denialism would seem to have much greater support at an &quot;elite&quot; level than at a &quot;mass&quot; level, and the Coalition is therefore at risk of wedging itself from a potentially decisive section of its voting base.  The hypothetical equivalent on the other side of politics to the Coalition&#039;s travails on this issue would be if the Federal Labor Party was seriously considering deducing its economic policy from reading &lt;em&gt;Green Left Weekly&lt;/em&gt;.  (No offence intended to Paul Burns and others.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the interesting aspects of poll results on global warming is that if you consider them in the light of the stated, known and reasonably suspected positions of many politicians, business leaders, media commentators, thinktankers, right-wing intellectuals, etc., greenhouse scepticism and greenhouse denialism would seem to have much greater support at an &#8220;elite&#8221; level than at a &#8220;mass&#8221; level, and the Coalition is therefore at risk of wedging itself from a potentially decisive section of its voting base.  The hypothetical equivalent on the other side of politics to the Coalition&#8217;s travails on this issue would be if the Federal Labor Party was seriously considering deducing its economic policy from reading <em>Green Left Weekly</em>.  (No offence intended to Paul Burns and others.)</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491448</link>
		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I follow politics far more closely than the average voter, and I have never heard Hockey&#039;s putative ethnicity raised once. It is NOT an issue, at least out in voterland (no idea how it plays inside Liberal HQ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow politics far more closely than the average voter, and I have never heard Hockey&#8217;s putative ethnicity raised once. It is NOT an issue, at least out in voterland (no idea how it plays inside Liberal HQ).</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491441</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Armenians aren&#039;t OT, so here goes.

Decades ago I met a young Armenian, in his twenties. He was consumed by the story of the Armenian Genocide. I was puzzled not to have heard of it, though the Turks at Gallipoli had featured in our secondary school curriculum. Apart from occasional mentions in the MSM of the controversy in Turkey and the EU over that genocide, the next mention was last year, when a statue was completed in a small rural Victorian town, commemorating an Aussie hero. He had helped Armenians after WW1.

They don&#039;t get much press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Armenians aren&#8217;t OT, so here goes.</p>
<p>Decades ago I met a young Armenian, in his twenties. He was consumed by the story of the Armenian Genocide. I was puzzled not to have heard of it, though the Turks at Gallipoli had featured in our secondary school curriculum. Apart from occasional mentions in the MSM of the controversy in Turkey and the EU over that genocide, the next mention was last year, when a statue was completed in a small rural Victorian town, commemorating an Aussie hero. He had helped Armenians after WW1.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t get much press.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiros</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491426</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Keating once referred to him as &quot;the camel driver&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Keating once referred to him as &#8220;the camel driver&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Afghan/Icelandic question OT?
If not, why not examine the ethnic ancestry of all Federal and State parliamentarians. Aboriginals in NT parliament?

Victorian ALP MPs include Italian, Greek, and a few from Asia I think. Bracks family was in Australia for several generations berfore Steve&#039;s ascendancy.

Does the ALP have more Southern European and Asian MPs than Libs or Nats? If so, why? If not, why not? Let alone Hispanics from South America, Germans, French, etc. Africans? 

I recall that Neville Bonner was a Liberal. I&#039;m not sure that the Nationals are less Anglo-Celtic-ally focussed than the Libs. 

Joh was Danish via NZ, wasn&#039;t he? My very word, those Danes and those Afghans... troublemakers to a man. cheerio, just off to feed the chooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Afghan/Icelandic question OT?<br />
If not, why not examine the ethnic ancestry of all Federal and State parliamentarians. Aboriginals in NT parliament?</p>
<p>Victorian ALP MPs include Italian, Greek, and a few from Asia I think. Bracks family was in Australia for several generations berfore Steve&#8217;s ascendancy.</p>
<p>Does the ALP have more Southern European and Asian MPs than Libs or Nats? If so, why? If not, why not? Let alone Hispanics from South America, Germans, French, etc. Africans? </p>
<p>I recall that Neville Bonner was a Liberal. I&#8217;m not sure that the Nationals are less Anglo-Celtic-ally focussed than the Libs. </p>
<p>Joh was Danish via NZ, wasn&#8217;t he? My very word, those Danes and those Afghans&#8230; troublemakers to a man. cheerio, just off to feed the chooks.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491408</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antonio, I can&#039;t really answer that question one way or the other.  I don&#039;t recall reading it in the article in question, but memory tends not to be totally reliable after a decade or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antonio, I can&#8217;t really answer that question one way or the other.  I don&#8217;t recall reading it in the article in question, but memory tends not to be totally reliable after a decade or more.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491404</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul N,

Correct me if I&#039;m wrong but wasn&#039;t it old Joh that referred to Katter Snr as &quot;that Afghan&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul N,</p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but wasn&#8217;t it old Joh that referred to Katter Snr as &#8220;that Afghan&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491399</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having done my homework I do believe Leinad is right.  I was relying on something I read at least a decade ago which suggested that Bob Katter Snr. was of Afghan ancestry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having done my homework I do believe Leinad is right.  I was relying on something I read at least a decade ago which suggested that Bob Katter Snr. was of Afghan ancestry.</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491394</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Katters are Lebanese. Afghans have yet to make their big debut in Australian conservative politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Katters are Lebanese. Afghans have yet to make their big debut in Australian conservative politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491392</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re looking for conservative Arab-Australian politicians, the Victorian ALP gave us Steve Bracks, whose family is from Lebanon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re looking for conservative Arab-Australian politicians, the Victorian ALP gave us Steve Bracks, whose family is from Lebanon.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/07/28/newspoll-57-43/comment-page-1/#comment-491391</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And he was Afghan rather than Arab.</description>
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		<title>By: Spiros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but he was in the Country (now National) Party, which has always been more cosmopolitan in outlook than the Liberal party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but he was in the Country (now National) Party, which has always been more cosmopolitan in outlook than the Liberal party.</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out of Sài Gòn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Down and Out of Sài Gòn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiros - if you are looking for conservative Arab-Australians politicians, there&#039;s always &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter%2C_Sr.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bob Katter Senior&lt;/a&gt;. Got to be Minister of the Army too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiros &#8211; if you are looking for conservative Arab-Australians politicians, there&#8217;s always <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter%2C_Sr." rel="nofollow">Bob Katter Senior</a>. Got to be Minister of the Army too.</p>
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