Comments on: You're the minister now, Bob http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:56:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: unknown http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219268 unknown Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:06:37 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219268 spot on Chookie It's a cultural nightmare in the AFP. Anyone with the slightest sense of justice left Immigration long ago. spot on Chookie
It’s a cultural nightmare in the AFP.
Anyone with the slightest sense of justice left Immigration long ago.

]]> By: unknown http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219267 unknown Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:40:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219267 The knowledge is commercial in confidence to the persons (multiple) who told me, and those people are in private industry and have no security clearance ie: it's not a real secret; they'd just prefer you don't know. The polite way of putting it is that they like to test their apparatus on a suitably defended target - I'm not sure ASIO appreciated being tested on home soil. Take a look at the lines of sight between AFP property and ASIO in Canberra and check out the infrastructure. I've no motivation for exposure - I'd just prefer a few more people had their eyes opened for them. If someone really wanted to know, and have evidence, a reasonably simple FOI claim, or even less, would reveal the information. The knowledge is commercial in confidence to the persons (multiple) who told me, and those people are in private industry and have no security clearance ie: it’s not a real secret; they’d just prefer you don’t know.
The polite way of putting it is that they like to test their apparatus on a suitably defended target – I’m not sure ASIO appreciated being tested on home soil.
Take a look at the lines of sight between AFP property and ASIO in Canberra and check out the infrastructure.
I’ve no motivation for exposure – I’d just prefer a few more people had their eyes opened for them.
If someone really wanted to know, and have evidence, a reasonably simple FOI claim, or even less, would reveal the information.

]]> By: Chookie http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219266 Chookie Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:28:15 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219266 Organisations tend to mimic the strengths and weaknesses of their leaders after a while, and though it would be immensely satisfying to see Keelty booted from the AFP, that wouldn't remove the flaws which he has added to its culture. The Rudd government has decided not to do a night of the long knives on the public service; the road they have chosen is the slower and harder, but more thorough road of change by altering the programmes that public servants administer (it must be <em>interesting</em> working in Immigration right now!). Those who don't have hearts or minds to be changed will eventually get fed up and leave, unless they are silly enough to allow themselves to be pilloried in an inquiry. I'm guessing that McDebus will wait till the Clarke Inquiry runs its course, at which point there will be "no option" etc etc. Why force the issue now when the course of the inquiry is likely to cause Keelty more suffering? (Cf Turnbull waiting for Nelson to self-immolate.) Organisations tend to mimic the strengths and weaknesses of their leaders after a while, and though it would be immensely satisfying to see Keelty booted from the AFP, that wouldn’t remove the flaws which he has added to its culture. The Rudd government has decided not to do a night of the long knives on the public service; the road they have chosen is the slower and harder, but more thorough road of change by altering the programmes that public servants administer (it must be interesting working in Immigration right now!).

Those who don’t have hearts or minds to be changed will eventually get fed up and leave, unless they are silly enough to allow themselves to be pilloried in an inquiry. I’m guessing that McDebus will wait till the Clarke Inquiry runs its course, at which point there will be “no option” etc etc. Why force the issue now when the course of the inquiry is likely to cause Keelty more suffering? (Cf Turnbull waiting for Nelson to self-immolate.)

]]> By: Robert Merkel http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219265 Robert Merkel Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:20:30 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219265 Unknown: WRT the claim that the AFP and ASIO are surveilling each other, that's a fairly extraordinary claim, and would require fairly extraordinary evidence to back it up. Unknown: WRT the claim that the AFP and ASIO are surveilling each other, that’s a fairly extraordinary claim, and would require fairly extraordinary evidence to back it up.

]]> By: unknown http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219264 unknown Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:44:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219264 http://news.theage.com.au/national/afp-not-able-to-release-haneef-info-20080804-3po2.html Can't release the information because it's not theirs to release is the explanation. Has anyone even asked? Did any of the reporter ask if this permission had been requested? The UK authorities have been more forthcoming than the ALP thus far - I'd rather hear a denial from their own mouths, or the submission be made directly from them, instead of the 3rd party AFP thanks very much. Robert McLelland - make it happen or explain why not. Keelty is digging the country in to a hole, but you're responsible. http://news.theage.com.au/national/afp-not-able-to-release-haneef-info-20080804-3po2.html

Can’t release the information because it’s not theirs to release is the explanation.

Has anyone even asked?
Did any of the reporter ask if this permission had been requested?
The UK authorities have been more forthcoming than the ALP thus far – I’d rather hear a denial from their own mouths, or the submission be made directly from them, instead of the 3rd party AFP thanks very much.

Robert McLelland – make it happen or explain why not. Keelty is digging the country in to a hole, but you’re responsible.

]]> By: unknown http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219263 unknown Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:47:59 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219263 Ydntk The fact that each organisation applies the full raft of electronic intelligence and counter-intelligence measures against each other should also be known more widely. The AFP is apparently in the business of creating enemies these days. Ydntk

The fact that each organisation applies the full raft of electronic intelligence and counter-intelligence measures against each other should also be known more widely.
The AFP is apparently in the business of creating enemies these days.

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219262 Paul Burns Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:22:52 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219262 Socialist Alliance? :) Socialist Alliance? :)

]]> By: You don't need to know http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219261 You don't need to know Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:10:51 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219261 I think all of you should be aware. ASIO and the AFP have very little like for each other, if any. The writing was on the wall at the beginning. ASIO would have been very unhappy if he was a terror suspect, because would have wanted to know what his network in Australia was. But good old Keelty comes steaming in on a white donkey and makes an ass out of himself....again. Any other member of the AFP would have been dismissed by now for the conduct Keelty has been exhibiting. Lets just say I have it on good authority Keelty is going to move into politics when his contract is up. Guess which party! I think all of you should be aware. ASIO and the AFP have very little like for each other, if any. The writing was on the wall at the beginning. ASIO would have been very unhappy if he was a terror suspect, because would have wanted to know what his network in Australia was. But good old Keelty comes steaming in on a white donkey and makes an ass out of himself….again. Any other member of the AFP would have been dismissed by now for the conduct Keelty has been exhibiting.

Lets just say I have it on good authority Keelty is going to move into politics when his contract is up. Guess which party!

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219260 Paul Burns Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:00:04 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219260 Agree absolutely, Robert. (Was using the term secutity services as a kind of descriptive shorthand.) Agree absolutely, Robert. (Was using the term secutity services as a kind of descriptive shorthand.)

]]> By: Robert Merkel http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219259 Robert Merkel Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:15:59 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/01/youre-the-minister-now-bob/#comment-219259 I don't like "security services" either. They are, at best, a necessary evil. whose role and resources should be tightly circumscribed. The more resources they receive, the more "security threats" they will find, whether they really exist or not. I don’t like “security services” either. They are, at best, a necessary evil. whose role and resources should be tightly circumscribed. The more resources they receive, the more “security threats” they will find, whether they really exist or not.

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