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		<title>By: Dave Bath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) I&#039;d argue that it&#039;s the folk at Planet Janet et al who are anti-enlightenment.  After all, she and her ilk have been deriding the near-unanimous empirical observations and conclusions of the scientific community, and supportive of populist politicians who&#039;ve been turning independent academia into businesses that sign certificates like pre-Lutheran indulgences.  If that ain&#039;t anti-enlightenment, what is?

(2) On postmodernism
As a skeptic of much &quot;postmodernism&quot;, I point to the http://xkcd.com/451/ entitled &quot;Imposter&quot;

Here&#039;s the text version (courtesy http://www.ohnorobot.com/archive.pl?comic=56&amp;show=2&amp;page=15)

My Hobby: Sitting down with grad students and timing how long it takes them to figure out that I&#039;m not actually an expert in their field.
Engineering: / Students: Our big problem is heat dissipation / Me: Have you tried logarithms? / 48 seconds
Linguistics: / Me: Ah, so does this Finno-ugric family include, say, Klingon? / 63 Seconds
Sociology: / Me: Yeah, my latest work is on ranking people from best to worst. / 4 Minutes
Literary Criticism: / Me: You see, the deconstruction is inextricable from not only the text, but also the self. / Eight papers and two books and they haven&#039;t caught on.
{{Alt/title text: If you think this is too hard on literary criticism, read the Wikipedia article on deconstruction.}}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) I&#8217;d argue that it&#8217;s the folk at Planet Janet et al who are anti-enlightenment.  After all, she and her ilk have been deriding the near-unanimous empirical observations and conclusions of the scientific community, and supportive of populist politicians who&#8217;ve been turning independent academia into businesses that sign certificates like pre-Lutheran indulgences.  If that ain&#8217;t anti-enlightenment, what is?</p>
<p>(2) On postmodernism<br />
As a skeptic of much &#8220;postmodernism&#8221;, I point to the <a href="http://xkcd.com/451/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/451/</a> entitled &#8220;Imposter&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the text version (courtesy <a href="http://www.ohnorobot.com/archive.pl?comic=56&#038;show=2&#038;page=15" rel="nofollow">http://www.ohnorobot.com/archive.pl?comic=56&#038;show=2&#038;page=15</a>)</p>
<p>My Hobby: Sitting down with grad students and timing how long it takes them to figure out that I&#8217;m not actually an expert in their field.<br />
Engineering: / Students: Our big problem is heat dissipation / Me: Have you tried logarithms? / 48 seconds<br />
Linguistics: / Me: Ah, so does this Finno-ugric family include, say, Klingon? / 63 Seconds<br />
Sociology: / Me: Yeah, my latest work is on ranking people from best to worst. / 4 Minutes<br />
Literary Criticism: / Me: You see, the deconstruction is inextricable from not only the text, but also the self. / Eight papers and two books and they haven&#8217;t caught on.<br />
{{Alt/title text: If you think this is too hard on literary criticism, read the Wikipedia article on deconstruction.}}</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the Right likes to attack democratic socialism by conflating it with a) Marxism and b) post-modernism may I suggest one response be for some be to caricature them as a &#039;Lunar Right&#039; which is virtually a) Pauline Hanson style National Socialism and/or b) lunatic Libertarianism trying to bring back slavery - and both of these racist colonialist ideologies that would take us all back to the Dark Ages.

Turn about is fair play...

Also , though I would agree PoMo is now thankfully dead or dying, it was still alive and kicking around five years ago. I have the attacks on anarchism and anarchists on disk to prove it. Available by request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the Right likes to attack democratic socialism by conflating it with a) Marxism and b) post-modernism may I suggest one response be for some be to caricature them as a &#8216;Lunar Right&#8217; which is virtually a) Pauline Hanson style National Socialism and/or b) lunatic Libertarianism trying to bring back slavery &#8211; and both of these racist colonialist ideologies that would take us all back to the Dark Ages.</p>
<p>Turn about is fair play&#8230;</p>
<p>Also , though I would agree PoMo is now thankfully dead or dying, it was still alive and kicking around five years ago. I have the attacks on anarchism and anarchists on disk to prove it. Available by request.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

there was a letter in &quot;Nature&quot; a few years ago which argued that Wittgenstein was seriously unhinged, and that his &quot;profundities&quot; arose from a mental illness: his inability to speak clearly (or write?) was a symptom of major illness rather than brilliance. With some of these blokes, how would you know??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>there was a letter in &#8220;Nature&#8221; a few years ago which argued that Wittgenstein was seriously unhinged, and that his &#8220;profundities&#8221; arose from a mental illness: his inability to speak clearly (or write?) was a symptom of major illness rather than brilliance. With some of these blokes, how would you know??</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read somewhere (a recent biography of Goedel, I think) that Wittgenstein basically ruined Bertrand Russell as a philosopher. Russell reckoned he couldn&#039;t understand Wittgenstein, but that it all sounded profound. (The little I&#039;ve read struck me as being incoherent rather than profound, but that might just be me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere (a recent biography of Goedel, I think) that Wittgenstein basically ruined Bertrand Russell as a philosopher. Russell reckoned he couldn&#8217;t understand Wittgenstein, but that it all sounded profound. (The little I&#8217;ve read struck me as being incoherent rather than profound, but that might just be me.)</p>
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		<title>By: klaus k</title>
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		<dc:creator>klaus k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;except for the inevitable instances when political vendettas start becoming pursued upon the academic battleground.&quot;

Which happens often enough. It&#039;s amazing how many scholarly points of disagreement can be found when you don&#039;t like somebody personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;except for the inevitable instances when political vendettas start becoming pursued upon the academic battleground.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which happens often enough. It&#8217;s amazing how many scholarly points of disagreement can be found when you don&#8217;t like somebody personally.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SRK: &quot;3. Wittgenstein is not the “towering genius” of 20th century philosophy.&quot;

In a philosophical century full of bungalows, yes indeed, one would be rather hard-pressed to find any such &#039;towering&#039; figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SRK: &#8220;3. Wittgenstein is not the “towering genius” of 20th century philosophy.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a philosophical century full of bungalows, yes indeed, one would be rather hard-pressed to find any such &#8216;towering&#8217; figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jobby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jobby!</p>
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		<title>By: Jobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Was it US President Wilson who said, “Disputes in Universities are all the more bitter, because the stakes are so low.” ??&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Often attributed to Henry Kissinger, but actually first stated by Columbia University political-science professor, Wallace S. Sayre, who coined a somewhat more elaborate version: &quot;Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low.&quot;

University politics are infinitely more bitter and vengeful than &#039;intellectual&#039; disputes, except for the inevitable instances when political vendettas start becoming pursued upon the academic battleground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Was it US President Wilson who said, “Disputes in Universities are all the more bitter, because the stakes are so low.” ??</p></blockquote>
<p>Often attributed to Henry Kissinger, but actually first stated by Columbia University political-science professor, Wallace S. Sayre, who coined a somewhat more elaborate version: &#8220;Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low.&#8221;</p>
<p>University politics are infinitely more bitter and vengeful than &#8216;intellectual&#8217; disputes, except for the inevitable instances when political vendettas start becoming pursued upon the academic battleground.</p>
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		<title>By: klaus k</title>
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		<dc:creator>klaus k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure who said that, but I&#039;ve always liked it.

The problem is, for students and those who are just starting teaching or doing research, the stakes of departmental disputes are sometimes very high - it can be about their livelihood. A couple of badly-timed attacks by irresponsible - and basically unaccountable - senior staff and it can be a huge setback in terms of future prospects or employment.

I suppose it could be institution-specific, but I hear about far worse things than I&#039;ve seen personally, going on elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure who said that, but I&#8217;ve always liked it.</p>
<p>The problem is, for students and those who are just starting teaching or doing research, the stakes of departmental disputes are sometimes very high &#8211; it can be about their livelihood. A couple of badly-timed attacks by irresponsible &#8211; and basically unaccountable &#8211; senior staff and it can be a huge setback in terms of future prospects or employment.</p>
<p>I suppose it could be institution-specific, but I hear about far worse things than I&#8217;ve seen personally, going on elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klaus, that&#039;s an interesting question.

I recall a heated discussion about a current academic/management issue, decades ago. The Law lecturer suggested the staff union should sue the Director; the sociologist said, &quot;you have to understand the social background of the Council members&quot;; the accountant said we should examine the costs; on it went. Now you could say this was a useful cross-disciplinary discussion, each bringing her own skills and knowledge.

I have to say (as an ousider) that disputes within Arts Depts seem to reach a level of vindictiveness, shrillness, fury, etc not seen in most other Depts. An Arts participant in some furore told me, &quot;That&#039;s because language and rhetoric are our stock in trade!&quot;.

I&#039;m not so sure that the explanation is adequate. But I could be wrong. Was it US President Wilson who said, &quot;Disputes in Universities are all the more bitter, because the stakes are so low.&quot;  ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klaus, that&#8217;s an interesting question.</p>
<p>I recall a heated discussion about a current academic/management issue, decades ago. The Law lecturer suggested the staff union should sue the Director; the sociologist said, &#8220;you have to understand the social background of the Council members&#8221;; the accountant said we should examine the costs; on it went. Now you could say this was a useful cross-disciplinary discussion, each bringing her own skills and knowledge.</p>
<p>I have to say (as an ousider) that disputes within Arts Depts seem to reach a level of vindictiveness, shrillness, fury, etc not seen in most other Depts. An Arts participant in some furore told me, &#8220;That&#8217;s because language and rhetoric are our stock in trade!&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure that the explanation is adequate. But I could be wrong. Was it US President Wilson who said, &#8220;Disputes in Universities are all the more bitter, because the stakes are so low.&#8221;  ??</p>
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