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27 responses to “China's pollution goes global”

  1. Elizabeth Hart

    Excellent post Brian, thanks for that. Starts to put things in perspective…

    By coincidence a friend mentioned the Jacques Leslie article to me yesterday and I was going to search it out. So thanks very much for the link.

    Will look forward to reading your post in more detail later.

  2. Ambigulous

    Global effects indeed.
    Eastward drift towards over the Pacific and North America, somewhat reminiscent of the pollution load Scandinavia copped from Britain at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution from their dark satanic mills.

    Also CO2 and other gases persist for decades, so they affect all of us, not only the Northernhemisphereans. Watch the outdoor smog, think about our own air quality standards and how well we meet them, and think about the invisible gases too.

    cheers

  3. Danny

    >>”I can’t wrap my mind around the kind of hubris and single-minded neglect that could produce such a mess”

    I dunno, but it strikes me that our own effort in getting ourselves in a position where we are probably gonna have to turn what was a major river system, with flows out, into a pond, with none, is up there in the single minded neglect and hubris stakes, sort of.

    I’m not in any way having a go, or denying agreement with the post, I’m just saying….

    Eve, meet apple; Pandora meet box: we’re an appalling species really, the sooner the planet is done with us, and moves on, the better.

  4. carbonsink

    Great post Brian. Excuse me while I slit my throat.

    Cars, for example, are projected to increase from 33 million to 130 million by 2020.

    This is a China story at GCC from a couple of years ago (April 2006) that just blew me away…

    China has been building expressways at a frenetic pace. From 2001 to 2005 it added 24,000 new kilometers—4,800 kilometers/year. That total length of new expressways in China roughly equals the combined length of all expressways in Canada and Germany—the number three and four countries for expressway length—combined.

    China’s expressways stretched 41,000 kilometers at the end of 2005, the world’s second largest system only after the United States. All the more remarkable considering that in 1988, China did not have an inch of expressway

    By 2010, China expects to have around 65,000 kilometers of expressway, and plans to increase that to at least 85,000 kilometers by 2020. The United States had some 90,000 kilometers in 2005.

    The planned expressway network will also stretch to Hong Kong and Macao, and include the proposed Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macao Bridge. A feasibility study on a road link across the Taiwan Straits is also being conducted.

  5. Brian

    carbonsink, on cars, the other day I heard that India would employ 26 million people in the auto mf industry by 2020. Not sure of the pedigree of the information, but it’s very unsettling.

    Gotta go now. I’ll check in again tonight.

  6. Paul Norton

    At the end of 2004 I took advantage of a sale at Allen’s Music to purchase a Fender acoustic guitar. When I looked through the hole in the middle at the manufacturer’s label, there were those words “Made in China”, signalling that my shiny new axe had probably been produced in socially and ecologically unsustainable ways.

    I have since learned that Gibson and Martin guitars are certified by the Forest Stewardship Council and should therefore be the instruments of choice for environmentally conscious pickers.

  7. Peter Hollo

    OK, colour me terrified now.

    I was in Shanghai a few weeks ago, and the pollution was palpable. I really felt after the 2 1/2 days we were there that if I’d been there any longer I would’ve been getting seriously ill. I just can’t imagine those international athletes doing daily strenuous work in those conditions.

    I’ve noticed that the Olympics have seemingly allowed for a bit of suspect almost-racism to enter the public discource around China recently. Clearly an amazing analysis like this is important and in no way racist; but I wonder about the general jokes about pollution and eating of weird food and the like – yes, they do eat weird stuff, I can attest to that. But the Chinese man and woman on the street are just people. On the street. Breathing in the fumes produced by their unchecked runaway industry.
    Nice.
    Anyway, that’s a bit off-topic.

  8. Robert Merkel

    After being in Beijing last year, what strikes me is that the people I talked to (admittedly, English-speaking students and academics and consequently quite privileged by Chinese standards) all know that the pollution is appalling and dangerous, and they want it cleaned up.

  9. rf

    Oh, look on the bright side; the global dimming from all that atmospheric dust might mitigate against global warming. :-)

  10. Robert Merkel

    RF: that’s something Brian’s posted on a number of times here on LP.

    Basically, at the moment the dust is counteracting the effects of the CO2 emitted from China’s power plants. However, the dust will probably reach saturation point in a few years time, both as a result of it “naturally” falling out of the atmosphere, and China’s efforts to clean up its local pollution.

    When that occurs, the implications for global temperatures are not pretty.

  11. Chookie

    The pollution in Beijing, the showplace, is one thing. Now picture what it’s like in the places foreigners don’t go (a friend of mine did aid work in a poor Chinese province for years).

    The only explanation I can think of for the lack of public health and safety enforcement is that this is a country with a vested interest in reducing its population.

  12. Robert Merkel

    Good point, Chookie. The pollution in Xi’an was considerably worse than Beijing when I was there, to the point where it did make me feel rather ill.

  13. wilful

    A problem with dust and smog is that it’s relatively easy to fix up (well compared to closing down all the power stations) and it washes out of the air in only weeks or months. If we clean it up too quickly we’ll get a big spike in climate change!

  14. Luke

    You’ve got to remember that China constitutes about 20% of the population of the world, and their average population density is enormous, compared to Australia, or the US, etc. Of course they produce far more pollution than we do, and it’s concentrated over a smaller area. But, yes, that does mean that they have 20% of the world’s responsibility to try and mitigate pollution.

    Can you really blame China, just because they have 20% of the world’s population?

    Sure, it’s a problem, but what can they do to stop it? They’re in the process of industrialisation, and they’re determined, for example, to give all the Chinese people access to electricity. Who are we to suggest that they can’t have access to electricity? They’re pushing ahead with efforts to use plenty of nuclear power and hydroelectricity, displacing the use of coal – in that sense, they put Australia to shame.
    Of course, most of the rest of the developed world effectively outsources their pollution from manufacturing to China.
    For all of us who have ever bought manufactured items from Chinese factories, because they’re a bit cheaper than the Australian or European (or whatever) alternatives, then that’s contributing to that problem. If you want to help mitigate that, then try not to demand cheaper Chinese manufacturing, and pay a little more for the alternatives.

  15. Spiros

    Apparently cancer rates in industrialised China are through the roof. It’s not just air pollution, but uncontrolled discharge of toxic waste. Then there’s the effect on people with respiratory diseases like asthma. You can imagine, but you don’t have to imagine – every visitor to China comes back with the same stories.

  16. sandstone

    The value of one western polluting farts maybe like, ten or more from China. Yep look at your own backyard me thinks.

  17. Elizabeth Hart

    Can you really blame China, just because they have 20% of the world’s population?

    Why not? Countries with high per capita emissions are constantly berated for their over-consumption. Why shouldn’t countries that have over-populated get a serve?

    After all, as Nicholas Stern notes: Key Elements of a Global Deal, p. 3 http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/granthamInstitute/publications/KeyElementsOfAGlobalDeal_30Apr08.pdf

    The developing countries, which by 2050 will account for around eight billion out of a world population of nine billion, and the greater part of global emissions, will have to be fundamentally involved in achieving global emission reductions.

    Note: That could be 10.6 billion out of world population of 12 billion if UN forecasts are correct: “UN Predicts 12 Billion if Family Planning Falters” http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43156

    Ross Garnaut notes that: Draft Report, p. 28 http://www.garnautreview.org.au/CA25734E0016A131/WebObj/GarnautClimateChangeReview-DraftReport-Ch2/$File/Garnaut%20Climate%20Change%20Review%20-%20Draft%20Report%20-%20Ch%202.pdf

    A new era began in the fourth quarter of the last century, with the rapid extension of the beneficent processes of modern economic development into the heartland of the populous countries of Asia, including China, India and Indonesia. From this has emerged what can be described as the Platinum Age of global economic growth in the early 21st century (Garnaut 2007). Incomes are growing rapidly in a large proportion of the developing world. In the absence of a major dislocation of established trends, this is likely to continue for a considerable period.

    Analysis presented in the draft report points to the Platinum Age contributing a greater absolute increase in annual human output and consumption in the first two decades of the 21st century than was generated in the whole previous history of our species, and then adding almost that much again in the next following decade to 2030 (chapters 4 and 9). (Emphasis added).

    But don’t worry about the effects of all that extra “human output and consumption”. According to Garnaut, everything will be fine, even “the expansion of education and choice for women” is assured. (I’m looking forward to that happening throughout the Middle-east, Africa etc…)

    Increasingly through the 21st century, the expansion of production will be associated with rising output per person, rather than increase in population. In all of the economically successful countries, higher incomes, together with the increased expectation of survival of children and the expansion of education and choice for women with which it is associated, are leading to marked falls in fertility and declining rates of population increase. Before the end of the 21st century, a continuation of these processes is expected to have led to stabilisation (by about 2080), and then, at least for a while, gradual decline in global human population (Chapter 4). But by that time, nearly three billion will have been added to the global population. (Emphasis added).

    My concern is whether the environment can survive human population growth of “nearly three billion” to nine billion (or maybe even 12 billion?) before all the woes of society are magically sorted by 2080…

    Dream on…

    Perhaps if back in Rio in 1992 the architects of our current climate change agreement hadn’t focused simply on fossil fuel emissions in developed countries, and hadn’t excluded consideration of vital issues such as the impact of population growth and deforestation, we wouldn’t be in the deep doo doo we’re in now. (Which I’ve already argued here http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/09/penny-peter-marn-and-the-professor/ – posts 41 and 42 )

    Let’s hope they do a better job in Copenhagen in 2009.

  18. Eye

    Watching the opening propaganda ceremony??

    “The little children chant, in the hope that the land will turn green again…. Chinese children have the same hopes and dreams that we do…. the sparrows are falling from the sky, they sing…. the ice caps are melting…. a message of global warming.”

    Oh, dear.

  19. zorronsky

    Wasn’t the world created for people to exploit? Or was that only some people?

  20. Caroline

    You’re being disingenuous zorronsky? God alone knows what the world was created for. You know that. Reminds me of W.H Auden: We are here on earth to do good for others. What the others are here for, I don’t know.

    Terrible, terrible post. What a litany of disaster. I wonder how many Chinese lives have been lost to stage the ‘games’ and for the benefit of China ‘looking’ good. (Which it clearly doesn’t, indeed nothing’s clear at all). Just another woeful case of . . . Vanity, vanity all is but . . .etc

    The temporary diversion of water is enough to make life difficult, if not seriously so–for how many millions?

    Who’s to say what to do? But the greatest communist country in the world is surely having the last laugh as the rest of us buy its crappy goods en masse. There’d hardly be a household on the planet that can claim to be completely devoid of goods ‘Made in China’. (Unless of course you’re obsessed about avoiding them, but to do so must mean you’re either rich or very spartan.)

    The only upside to this dire situation is that should the Chinese regime ever decide to seriously address the shit in their own nest, we can rest assured that it will happen–for the good of Chinah. At the moment however, they seem like the rest of us gripped by fear and greed. No doubt some of us will be telling them what is the good of China. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone (and kill the capitalist monster?) Not holding my breath and gladly not in Beijing and having to.

  21. Dave Bath

    (1) I was reading in a recent New Scientists that some economists calculated that 30% of China’s emissions are to produce manufactured goods for “the west”.

    So, China could cut 30% of it’s emissions by NOT exporting stuff to the west, and most western countries no longer have the means to manufacture replacement items.

    So, those complaining about pollution in China can do something merely by curing themselves of affluenza and the “need” for the latest gizmo.

    Global warming and capitalism solved with the same (in)action?

    (2) On your point about the (short term) weather being subject to government will, it’s worth remembering that King Canute/Knut ordered back the tide to prove to his panderers that there are some things even divinely-ordained kings can’t do

    (3) Recent studies have shown that sea-level rises take some time to flow around. Apparently, even if the Greenland glaciers all melted tomorrow, it’d take a few decades for this to contribute to any significant change in the Indian or Pacific oceans because it would be trapped in the Atlantics by the way surface currents work around tips of South Am and Africa. Trapping the rises to the North Atlantic would be poetic justice.

  22. Brian

    Dave, that last point is right AFAIK. If Antarctica melted it would take even longer to get past the currents that flow around the world to the south of us.

    No comment needed on King Canute.

    I think the problem is that in many instances now we buy Chinese goods or nothing. And I wouldn’t be totally confident in any assurances given me by The Forest Stewardship Council about my guitar if I was Paul N (see comment 6). According to the article there is a racket going on through Malaysia whereby illegal logs are given false certificates.

    A few years ago we added a deck to the house, as you do in Brisvegas, and arranged for French doors to be installed from our dining room to match the silky oak paneling which was cut from Queensland timbers in the 1930s. We found after installation that the timber came from Borneo and was probably home to some orangutan before it was cut. I wonder whether there was any other option. It’s almost impossible for private consumers to research these things.

  23. Rayedish

    I have just come home from a shopping trip in which I bought about 1/2 a dozen knitted tops -end of season and heavily discounted- and I bet without looking that they were all probably made in China. *sign* So easy for me to recognise the problem, yet hard to change my ways. I saw a program about an US couple who decided to live ‘China free’ for a year. They gave it up after the 12 months, they found it simply too difficult to maintain.

  24. Brian

    Luke at 14, I think we do need to blame China for what has gone on, just as we should blame Brazil in the last instance for the destruction of the Amazon rainforest and us for the destruction of the Coorong.

    We can also blame the World trade Organisation and free traders generally for paying insufficient attention to labour practices and environmental outcomes.

    I think I forgot to mention that 80% of the rivers by length now are too polluted to contain fish, thus destroying a food source and a cultural practice as well as the welfare of the fish.

    The toxicity of the environment is causing direct harm to the people. The State has to take responsibility for preventing this.

    More generally Virginia Trioli had an interesting chat with John Pomfret on Lateline the other night. Pomfret thinks that in the long run having the Olympics will be good for the Chinese and that pressure for political change will coalesce around environmental issues.

  25. Brian
  26. Brian

    Peak Energy links with us and links to a Renewable energy World article on the impressive renewable energy features incorporated into the Games venue design.

  27. Brian

    It seems that there is an upside to Chinese smog for their farmers. The smog increases rice yields and reduces methane emissions by up to 25%.

    Of course this means more downside when they finally decide to clean up the mess, as inevitably they will.

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