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	<title>Comments on: Paul Keating and Kevin Rudd</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-495399</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-495399</guid>
		<description>Jack Strocchi says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The wound that Howard inflicted on him in 1996 have not healed yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True. Paul Keating says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Howard] did no thinking. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also true. So you're both right. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Strocchi says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The wound that Howard inflicted on him in 1996 have not healed yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>True. Paul Keating says:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Howard] did no thinking. </p></blockquote>
<p>Also true. So you&#8217;re both right. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-495312</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-495312</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, and BTW the proposed increase in complulsory super that Keating keeps pushing is really, really crap policy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

dd, I too would really appreciate a few words of explanation.

For the life of me I can't imagine why you would think that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, and BTW the proposed increase in complulsory super that Keating keeps pushing is really, really crap policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>dd, I too would really appreciate a few words of explanation.</p>
<p>For the life of me I can&#8217;t imagine why you would think that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494878</guid>
		<description>Paul Keating said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I mean John Howard turned the prime ministership into something like a state police minister. He was at the scene of every crime, twice a day on radio. The guy did no thinking. When a country has a lead they’re does not think, think then that country starts to move back.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

The wound that Howard inflicted on him in 1996 have not healed yet. You get the feeling that they never will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Keating said:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>I mean John Howard turned the prime ministership into something like a state police minister. He was at the scene of every crime, twice a day on radio. The guy did no thinking. When a country has a lead they’re does not think, think then that country starts to move back.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The wound that Howard inflicted on him in 1996 have not healed yet. You get the feeling that they never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494866</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494866</guid>
		<description>Keating's remark that Rudd is not establishing a national narrative of course carries weight, but it has to be offset by Keating's own particular need to establish one. 

Part of Rudd's entry to PM'ship included that he be very different from the codger, whose ten years of stranglehold on national narrative wore thin.

Rudd is failing, along historical lines, to establish that national narrative we've come to expect one way or another from PMs, but only if seen in that light.  Again, I think Rudd has thrown open those sorts of historical constraints, thru the Aussie Summit etc, is gathering information, to present more cohesively later.  I could be wrong, but I don't think punters are ready for the narrative thing just yet; I think they'd become sick of that style of politics being rammed down their throats and at a guess Rudd is still letting in that fresh air into the system.

Punching out a narrative as Keating seems to want can certainly be the rope which ties political sails for forward thrust, but it can also be the rope by which a PM eventually gets tied to and run up the mast.

Also, I think it's too early to really tell what such a narrative should be, with so much looming over the horizon, eighteen months or so away - CC and economic instability questions for starters, huge in themselves, let alone the daily stuff which hasn't yet concretised in the public political mind, but will.  I think then we'll know if Rudd has played his early year well, or not.

Not knowing him is frustrating, and we want to draw a rule from him to measure against past knowns, but he's clearly doing it his way, and while he might be a flop I don't think he can be at all underestimated, especially in terms of playing the politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keating&#8217;s remark that Rudd is not establishing a national narrative of course carries weight, but it has to be offset by Keating&#8217;s own particular need to establish one. </p>
<p>Part of Rudd&#8217;s entry to PM&#8217;ship included that he be very different from the codger, whose ten years of stranglehold on national narrative wore thin.</p>
<p>Rudd is failing, along historical lines, to establish that national narrative we&#8217;ve come to expect one way or another from PMs, but only if seen in that light.  Again, I think Rudd has thrown open those sorts of historical constraints, thru the Aussie Summit etc, is gathering information, to present more cohesively later.  I could be wrong, but I don&#8217;t think punters are ready for the narrative thing just yet; I think they&#8217;d become sick of that style of politics being rammed down their throats and at a guess Rudd is still letting in that fresh air into the system.</p>
<p>Punching out a narrative as Keating seems to want can certainly be the rope which ties political sails for forward thrust, but it can also be the rope by which a PM eventually gets tied to and run up the mast.</p>
<p>Also, I think it&#8217;s too early to really tell what such a narrative should be, with so much looming over the horizon, eighteen months or so away - CC and economic instability questions for starters, huge in themselves, let alone the daily stuff which hasn&#8217;t yet concretised in the public political mind, but will.  I think then we&#8217;ll know if Rudd has played his early year well, or not.</p>
<p>Not knowing him is frustrating, and we want to draw a rule from him to measure against past knowns, but he&#8217;s clearly doing it his way, and while he might be a flop I don&#8217;t think he can be at all underestimated, especially in terms of playing the politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494790</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494790</guid>
		<description>dd, I'd be interested in knowing why you think that. I dipped into the David Love book but it's hard to assess the argument because it's all PJK propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dd, I&#8217;d be interested in knowing why you think that. I dipped into the David Love book but it&#8217;s hard to assess the argument because it&#8217;s all PJK propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494787</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494787</guid>
		<description>There's no doubt that PJK is far more entertaining than the Ruddster and I always enjoy it whenever he flicks the switch to vaudeville.  But let's separate style from substance here; Keating was a self-indulgent and disorganised PM who more than anybody was responsible for inflicting a very conservative government on us.  It's no good having a vision if you don't do the necessary to get it implemented.

Now Rudd is a boring, prudish, small-c-conservative micromanaging workaholic who, unlike Keating, is hard to warm to personally.  I know who I'd rather share a drink with. But he's likely to last a lot longer than Keating as PM and Keating is in no position to give him advice.

Oh, and BTW the proposed increase in complulsory super that Keating keeps pushing is really, really crap policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that PJK is far more entertaining than the Ruddster and I always enjoy it whenever he flicks the switch to vaudeville.  But let&#8217;s separate style from substance here; Keating was a self-indulgent and disorganised PM who more than anybody was responsible for inflicting a very conservative government on us.  It&#8217;s no good having a vision if you don&#8217;t do the necessary to get it implemented.</p>
<p>Now Rudd is a boring, prudish, small-c-conservative micromanaging workaholic who, unlike Keating, is hard to warm to personally.  I know who I&#8217;d rather share a drink with. But he&#8217;s likely to last a lot longer than Keating as PM and Keating is in no position to give him advice.</p>
<p>Oh, and BTW the proposed increase in complulsory super that Keating keeps pushing is really, really crap policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterc</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494612</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494612</guid>
		<description>Politics seems to most often a victory of style over substance.  This seems to be more pronounced in recent years.  This is epitomised by the Hollowmen - bearing in mind that truth is often stranger than fiction.

If Rudd is micro-managing, then by definition he will not grasp the mettle on the really big topics such as water, climate change and constitutional reform (such as getting state government to do sensible non-parochial things.

It seems to me, as Julian Morrow observed on Q&#38;A, that Rudd's government is really not providing the leadership people want on defining issues of our time such as water, climate change, renewable energy and sustainable living.

Keating still makes me chuckle, most recently for his accurate description of Costello as a nong, and in the past for cracks such as "the Souflée only rising once" (Peacock). But I won't forgive him for the RFAs and sanctioning ongoing destruction of Australia's unique and irreplaceable native forests, which of course still continues unabated, so he was not wholly responsible for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politics seems to most often a victory of style over substance.  This seems to be more pronounced in recent years.  This is epitomised by the Hollowmen - bearing in mind that truth is often stranger than fiction.</p>
<p>If Rudd is micro-managing, then by definition he will not grasp the mettle on the really big topics such as water, climate change and constitutional reform (such as getting state government to do sensible non-parochial things.</p>
<p>It seems to me, as Julian Morrow observed on Q&amp;A, that Rudd&#8217;s government is really not providing the leadership people want on defining issues of our time such as water, climate change, renewable energy and sustainable living.</p>
<p>Keating still makes me chuckle, most recently for his accurate description of Costello as a nong, and in the past for cracks such as &#8220;the Souflée only rising once&#8221; (Peacock). But I won&#8217;t forgive him for the RFAs and sanctioning ongoing destruction of Australia&#8217;s unique and irreplaceable native forests, which of course still continues unabated, so he was not wholly responsible for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494600</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494600</guid>
		<description>Matilda, I think it's OK for us to do it because we are us, because what what said in Crikey was well said and why invent a new set of words, and it gives everyone here a chance to have a chat about it.

Whatever.

David Love did &lt;a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/perspective/stories/2008/2327851.htm#transcript" rel="nofollow"&gt;piece on &lt;i&gt;Perspective&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the other night about Keating's unfinished business:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Keating was driven by two imperatives. One was to reach a pension level that Treasury told him was enough to allow the average income earner live in comfort in his old age.. The other was that at 15 per cent a national pension policy was enough to fund a level of total Australian savings which would bring total spending into line and prevent it spilling abroad to anything like the extent that it has. We are far from in line at present. But if we could proceed now to work towards completing the Keating revolution we could look forward to more comfortable times.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We could have had enough to retire on an income similar to our work earnings and boosted national savings to a degree that we had heaps of dosh to fund our own development with no current account deficit.

Costello commissioned a 'generational report' and then used it to excuse handing out dosh for electoral purposes to people who didn't really need it. A huge wasted opportunity during the good times. He deserves a special place in the dustbin of history.

Keating is spot on about Cossie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matilda, I think it&#8217;s OK for us to do it because we are us, because what what said in Crikey was well said and why invent a new set of words, and it gives everyone here a chance to have a chat about it.</p>
<p>Whatever.</p>
<p>David Love did <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/perspective/stories/2008/2327851.htm#transcript" rel="nofollow">piece on <i>Perspective</i></a> the other night about Keating&#8217;s unfinished business:</p>
<blockquote><p>Keating was driven by two imperatives. One was to reach a pension level that Treasury told him was enough to allow the average income earner live in comfort in his old age.. The other was that at 15 per cent a national pension policy was enough to fund a level of total Australian savings which would bring total spending into line and prevent it spilling abroad to anything like the extent that it has. We are far from in line at present. But if we could proceed now to work towards completing the Keating revolution we could look forward to more comfortable times.</p></blockquote>
<p>We could have had enough to retire on an income similar to our work earnings and boosted national savings to a degree that we had heaps of dosh to fund our own development with no current account deficit.</p>
<p>Costello commissioned a &#8216;generational report&#8217; and then used it to excuse handing out dosh for electoral purposes to people who didn&#8217;t really need it. A huge wasted opportunity during the good times. He deserves a special place in the dustbin of history.</p>
<p>Keating is spot on about Cossie.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494539</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494539</guid>
		<description>Paul Keating is a crotchety old pain in the arse. He's right about Kevvie's control freakery but it's not his call. If Kevvie goes way overboard yeah alright, but it's his job now and Keating should just get over it and get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Keating is a crotchety old pain in the arse. He&#8217;s right about Kevvie&#8217;s control freakery but it&#8217;s not his call. If Kevvie goes way overboard yeah alright, but it&#8217;s his job now and Keating should just get over it and get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494519</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494519</guid>
		<description>That's all valid, Matilda, and thanks for the feedback. 

Kim's right in assuming that it was a lack of time on my part. I also do think there's some value in highlighting what might otherwise be overlooked and making a few connections to see what folks think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all valid, Matilda, and thanks for the feedback. </p>
<p>Kim&#8217;s right in assuming that it was a lack of time on my part. I also do think there&#8217;s some value in highlighting what might otherwise be overlooked and making a few connections to see what folks think.</p>
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		<title>By: Matilda</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494518</link>
		<dc:creator>Matilda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494518</guid>
		<description>News, opinion, whateva. As it seems to occur several times a month, i thought it was timely to make mention of this habit. I suppose the exception would be when Mark, or another LP blogger, has a piece in Crikey, posting it here would be a legitimate cross-post.  

In this case, I wonder why the writer couldn't have gone straight to the actual event of Keating's speech at a book launch (or whatever it was that created publicity) and riffed off Keating's words, and why it is that he's always media gold, instead of regurgitating slabs of the Crikey commentary.

As for your comment about 'news', aren't you taking a rather mainstream view of what constitutes 'news'?  Often blogs serve the purpose of bringing us stories untouched by the corporate media, or fresh slants on the mainstream topics du jour.  Perspectives on news stories offered by the blogging universe may be individualistic or revelatory, unearthing a buried nugget of truth which would never make its way into the dead tree media.  Thought that was part of what LP tries to do, on occasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News, opinion, whateva. As it seems to occur several times a month, i thought it was timely to make mention of this habit. I suppose the exception would be when Mark, or another LP blogger, has a piece in Crikey, posting it here would be a legitimate cross-post.  </p>
<p>In this case, I wonder why the writer couldn&#8217;t have gone straight to the actual event of Keating&#8217;s speech at a book launch (or whatever it was that created publicity) and riffed off Keating&#8217;s words, and why it is that he&#8217;s always media gold, instead of regurgitating slabs of the Crikey commentary.</p>
<p>As for your comment about &#8216;news&#8217;, aren&#8217;t you taking a rather mainstream view of what constitutes &#8216;news&#8217;?  Often blogs serve the purpose of bringing us stories untouched by the corporate media, or fresh slants on the mainstream topics du jour.  Perspectives on news stories offered by the blogging universe may be individualistic or revelatory, unearthing a buried nugget of truth which would never make its way into the dead tree media.  Thought that was part of what LP tries to do, on occasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494416</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494416</guid>
		<description>Um, Matilda, not everyone here reads Crikey and the point of the post is to draw together a number of disparate items and put them together in a context. Also, unlike Crikey, we're not "professionals" - sometimes time allows for more original commentary, sometimes it doesn't, but we still like to provide a starting point for discussion within our community.

If you think the purpose of this blog is to provide "news", then I'm afraid I think you're mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Matilda, not everyone here reads Crikey and the point of the post is to draw together a number of disparate items and put them together in a context. Also, unlike Crikey, we&#8217;re not &#8220;professionals&#8221; - sometimes time allows for more original commentary, sometimes it doesn&#8217;t, but we still like to provide a starting point for discussion within our community.</p>
<p>If you think the purpose of this blog is to provide &#8220;news&#8221;, then I&#8217;m afraid I think you&#8217;re mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Matilda</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494403</link>
		<dc:creator>Matilda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494403</guid>
		<description>Um, given that most of us can, and do, locate the Crikey website, or receive its daily jottings in our inboxes, not sure about this habit of LPs of rehashing the more illuminating tidbits from Crikey.  A bit lazy, perhaps?  Better to write your own damn news.  At least it would be original!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, given that most of us can, and do, locate the Crikey website, or receive its daily jottings in our inboxes, not sure about this habit of LPs of rehashing the more illuminating tidbits from Crikey.  A bit lazy, perhaps?  Better to write your own damn news.  At least it would be original!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques de Molay</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494296</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques de Molay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494296</guid>
		<description>I have to admit I love hearing Keating pop up once in a blue moon. I'm sure if it were a daily spray it might become a bit tedious but the man is real. He's brutally honest and explains his ideas or greviances well. He sums up a Costello in less than 30 seconds, perfectly. The "all tip and no iceberg" line was hilarious and as usual true. Has Downer ever been summed up better than "the idiot son of the aristocracy"? I know I get all excited whenever someone mentions the National Party in his presence! Imagine what he would think of the likes of Barnaby Joyce? 

Never will be a politician in this country like Paul Keating again. I just wish he could be brought back into the Labor fold in a more official capacity. 

FWIW, I still don't rate Rudd but hey he's not John Howard which is the main thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit I love hearing Keating pop up once in a blue moon. I&#8217;m sure if it were a daily spray it might become a bit tedious but the man is real. He&#8217;s brutally honest and explains his ideas or greviances well. He sums up a Costello in less than 30 seconds, perfectly. The &#8220;all tip and no iceberg&#8221; line was hilarious and as usual true. Has Downer ever been summed up better than &#8220;the idiot son of the aristocracy&#8221;? I know I get all excited whenever someone mentions the National Party in his presence! Imagine what he would think of the likes of Barnaby Joyce? </p>
<p>Never will be a politician in this country like Paul Keating again. I just wish he could be brought back into the Labor fold in a more official capacity. </p>
<p>FWIW, I still don&#8217;t rate Rudd but hey he&#8217;s not John Howard which is the main thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard C</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494198</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494198</guid>
		<description>Thank you for the reply, Alan. We don't get your musings down here in Sydney, but the Keating sprays are legion and I'm sure your spray was a classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the reply, Alan. We don&#8217;t get your musings down here in Sydney, but the Keating sprays are legion and I&#8217;m sure your spray was a classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Muskiemp</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494195</link>
		<dc:creator>Muskiemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One calls Costello a lazy hammock dwelling nong and a dope. The other calls Costello a great Parliament performer and a great treasurer, but never asks him to dinner. Who of these is telling the truth. One tells it as it is the other doesn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One calls Costello a lazy hammock dwelling nong and a dope. The other calls Costello a great Parliament performer and a great treasurer, but never asks him to dinner. Who of these is telling the truth. One tells it as it is the other doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Wigan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494186</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Wigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I welcome Keating's invective (and Alan's summing up of it) mostly because all politicians only seem to give sanitised stuff these days. Oddly enough, Howard probably didn't follow the mould, but crikey ... that meant being bored silly by banalities, or subjected to lowest common denominator rubbish.

I can see Howard C's point that many react to such blasts. They're by no means my cup of tea, but I always look forward to them. I suppose it is a bit like Aussie Rules where you need a bit of aggro in addition to talent.

My favourite polly was Dunstan, who only very rarely resorted to invective. But after 40-odd years observation, I'm starting to realize he was a once-in-a-lifetime shot. Until another emerges, we'll probably have to settle for Keating or similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I welcome Keating&#8217;s invective (and Alan&#8217;s summing up of it) mostly because all politicians only seem to give sanitised stuff these days. Oddly enough, Howard probably didn&#8217;t follow the mould, but crikey &#8230; that meant being bored silly by banalities, or subjected to lowest common denominator rubbish.</p>
<p>I can see Howard C&#8217;s point that many react to such blasts. They&#8217;re by no means my cup of tea, but I always look forward to them. I suppose it is a bit like Aussie Rules where you need a bit of aggro in addition to talent.</p>
<p>My favourite polly was Dunstan, who only very rarely resorted to invective. But after 40-odd years observation, I&#8217;m starting to realize he was a once-in-a-lifetime shot. Until another emerges, we&#8217;ll probably have to settle for Keating or similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494173</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HowardC  Bunyip Aristocrats go across all classes as you would find if you researched the derivation of the term. Costello is a nong . Keating called him that and he also said why he is a nong. I too write for a living but I don't see what your point is there. And as one who was on the end of a Keating spray once (thank goodness  it was on the phone) I can tell you even as I was getting paid out I marveled at the use of vocabulary. He got the point across. First point being; this wasn't meant to be civil discourse. Interestingly  the people who want Pete, the hammock, Costello   back in Parliament say it is because of his loud and abusive manner at the despatch box. They want someone who can serve it up to Kev. They have forgotten the Labor Party's weapon of mass destruction Saint Julia who is the best attack dog in parliament. She has been  quiet for a while but should the Libs unleash Pete Julia will be off the chain. I will start listening to Parliament again if she does.
 But Howard sorry, (scratch that I'm not sorry)  I know you don't mean to but you just sound prissy.
 I spent too much time in the UK being screwed by impeccably polite toffs to hanker after "civilised" communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HowardC  Bunyip Aristocrats go across all classes as you would find if you researched the derivation of the term. Costello is a nong . Keating called him that and he also said why he is a nong. I too write for a living but I don&#8217;t see what your point is there. And as one who was on the end of a Keating spray once (thank goodness  it was on the phone) I can tell you even as I was getting paid out I marveled at the use of vocabulary. He got the point across. First point being; this wasn&#8217;t meant to be civil discourse. Interestingly  the people who want Pete, the hammock, Costello   back in Parliament say it is because of his loud and abusive manner at the despatch box. They want someone who can serve it up to Kev. They have forgotten the Labor Party&#8217;s weapon of mass destruction Saint Julia who is the best attack dog in parliament. She has been  quiet for a while but should the Libs unleash Pete Julia will be off the chain. I will start listening to Parliament again if she does.<br />
 But Howard sorry, (scratch that I&#8217;m not sorry)  I know you don&#8217;t mean to but you just sound prissy.<br />
 I spent too much time in the UK being screwed by impeccably polite toffs to hanker after &#8220;civilised&#8221; communication.</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494170</link>
		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labor would be mad not to move right now on the republic. Surely being sacked twice now *without notice* is against their stated policy?
I seem to recall the republic being a big part of the Labor narrative once under...er whassisname. The highest ranking conservative in the country right now is the dog-catcher in Tennant Creek so there may never be a better time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labor would be mad not to move right now on the republic. Surely being sacked twice now *without notice* is against their stated policy?<br />
I seem to recall the republic being a big part of the Labor narrative once under&#8230;er whassisname. The highest ranking conservative in the country right now is the dog-catcher in Tennant Creek so there may never be a better time.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard C</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-494159</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alan for the grossly inaccurate stereotyping. As an Aussie-Rules playing, state-school educated son-of-a-single-parent, I can honestly say I am proud I don't write in the same manner as how I speak. Then again, I write for a living, so I guess I know how to do it.

I'm sorry, (scratch that, I'm not sorry) but I believe that being civil enables people to discuss the issues more rationally, rather than getting sidelined by petty personalities. Keating thinks Costello is a nong; could he care to define the term? Does it have something to do with job performance or with political affiliation? 

If we can discuss the issues, and what people actually do, without resorting to using four letter words, then we may actually get some important stuff done around here. I've grown up surrounded by people who thought things should be done differently, but I only really have a problem with them if they attack me personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alan for the grossly inaccurate stereotyping. As an Aussie-Rules playing, state-school educated son-of-a-single-parent, I can honestly say I am proud I don&#8217;t write in the same manner as how I speak. Then again, I write for a living, so I guess I know how to do it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, (scratch that, I&#8217;m not sorry) but I believe that being civil enables people to discuss the issues more rationally, rather than getting sidelined by petty personalities. Keating thinks Costello is a nong; could he care to define the term? Does it have something to do with job performance or with political affiliation? </p>
<p>If we can discuss the issues, and what people actually do, without resorting to using four letter words, then we may actually get some important stuff done around here. I&#8217;ve grown up surrounded by people who thought things should be done differently, but I only really have a problem with them if they attack me personally.</p>
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