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	<title>Comments on: Paul Keating and Kevin Rudd</title>
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		<title>By: KeIThy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-220642</link>
		<dc:creator>KeIThy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conservative grumble-bums cannot put up with people like Keating telling them how bereft of heart and soul they are as the majority might listen a little too closely: Julia gets away with it because she knows the value of mildness. The Fibs really are up the creek with a gal like Julia! *** Hey, Costello: come back!!!! lol ***</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conservative grumble-bums cannot put up with people like Keating telling them how bereft of heart and soul they are as the majority might listen a little too closely: Julia gets away with it because she knows the value of mildness. The Fibs really are up the creek with a gal like Julia! *** Hey, Costello: come back!!!! lol ***</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-220641</link>
		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely it was the 13 year labour incumbency that inflicted John Howard on us, rather than PJK personally?  I think the populace wisely throw over governments after three or more terms, long incumbencies breed complacency at best and corruption at worst.  I haven&#039;t ever voted Liberal but I can&#039;t wait for the NSW Labor party to be dumped because it is high time that particular vessel was flooded to the gunnels. I suppose it is too much to ask that they will return sans the odious Tripodi, but I live in hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it was the 13 year labour incumbency that inflicted John Howard on us, rather than PJK personally?  I think the populace wisely throw over governments after three or more terms, long incumbencies breed complacency at best and corruption at worst.  I haven&#8217;t ever voted Liberal but I can&#8217;t wait for the NSW Labor party to be dumped because it is high time that particular vessel was flooded to the gunnels. I suppose it is too much to ask that they will return sans the odious Tripodi, but I live in hope.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Fenton-Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Fenton-Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; downhill, one ski, no poles &quot; - PJK

Anyone who doubts the absolute neccessity of compulsory superannuation will only have to wait a few years to see the enormous financial difficulties &amp; social distress the European countries without it will endure.
Where do you think Singapore gained the capital to fuel its rapid &amp; successful growth ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; downhill, one ski, no poles &#8221; &#8211; PJK</p>
<p>Anyone who doubts the absolute neccessity of compulsory superannuation will only have to wait a few years to see the enormous financial difficulties &amp; social distress the European countries without it will endure.<br />
Where do you think Singapore gained the capital to fuel its rapid &amp; successful growth ?</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-220639</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Strocchi says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The wound that Howard inflicted on him in 1996 have not healed yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True. Paul Keating says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Howard] did no thinking. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also true. So you&#039;re both right. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Strocchi says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The wound that Howard inflicted on him in 1996 have not healed yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>True. Paul Keating says:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Howard] did no thinking. </p></blockquote>
<p>Also true. So you&#8217;re both right. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, and BTW the proposed increase in complulsory super that Keating keeps pushing is really, really crap policy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

dd, I too would really appreciate a few words of explanation.

For the life of me I can&#039;t imagine why you would think that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, and BTW the proposed increase in complulsory super that Keating keeps pushing is really, really crap policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>dd, I too would really appreciate a few words of explanation.</p>
<p>For the life of me I can&#8217;t imagine why you would think that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/08/paul-keating-and-kevin-rudd/#comment-220637</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Keating said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I mean John Howard turned the prime ministership into something like a state police minister. He was at the scene of every crime, twice a day on radio. The guy did no thinking. When a country has a lead they’re does not think, think then that country starts to move back.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

The wound that Howard inflicted on him in 1996 have not healed yet. You get the feeling that they never will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Keating said:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>I mean John Howard turned the prime ministership into something like a state police minister. He was at the scene of every crime, twice a day on radio. The guy did no thinking. When a country has a lead they’re does not think, think then that country starts to move back.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The wound that Howard inflicted on him in 1996 have not healed yet. You get the feeling that they never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keating&#039;s remark that Rudd is not establishing a national narrative of course carries weight, but it has to be offset by Keating&#039;s own particular need to establish one.

Part of Rudd&#039;s entry to PM&#039;ship included that he be very different from the codger, whose ten years of stranglehold on national narrative wore thin.

Rudd is failing, along historical lines, to establish that national narrative we&#039;ve come to expect one way or another from PMs, but only if seen in that light.  Again, I think Rudd has thrown open those sorts of historical constraints, thru the Aussie Summit etc, is gathering information, to present more cohesively later.  I could be wrong, but I don&#039;t think punters are ready for the narrative thing just yet; I think they&#039;d become sick of that style of politics being rammed down their throats and at a guess Rudd is still letting in that fresh air into the system.

Punching out a narrative as Keating seems to want can certainly be the rope which ties political sails for forward thrust, but it can also be the rope by which a PM eventually gets tied to and run up the mast.

Also, I think it&#039;s too early to really tell what such a narrative should be, with so much looming over the horizon, eighteen months or so away - CC and economic instability questions for starters, huge in themselves, let alone the daily stuff which hasn&#039;t yet concretised in the public political mind, but will.  I think then we&#039;ll know if Rudd has played his early year well, or not.

Not knowing him is frustrating, and we want to draw a rule from him to measure against past knowns, but he&#039;s clearly doing it his way, and while he might be a flop I don&#039;t think he can be at all underestimated, especially in terms of playing the politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keating&#8217;s remark that Rudd is not establishing a national narrative of course carries weight, but it has to be offset by Keating&#8217;s own particular need to establish one.</p>
<p>Part of Rudd&#8217;s entry to PM&#8217;ship included that he be very different from the codger, whose ten years of stranglehold on national narrative wore thin.</p>
<p>Rudd is failing, along historical lines, to establish that national narrative we&#8217;ve come to expect one way or another from PMs, but only if seen in that light.  Again, I think Rudd has thrown open those sorts of historical constraints, thru the Aussie Summit etc, is gathering information, to present more cohesively later.  I could be wrong, but I don&#8217;t think punters are ready for the narrative thing just yet; I think they&#8217;d become sick of that style of politics being rammed down their throats and at a guess Rudd is still letting in that fresh air into the system.</p>
<p>Punching out a narrative as Keating seems to want can certainly be the rope which ties political sails for forward thrust, but it can also be the rope by which a PM eventually gets tied to and run up the mast.</p>
<p>Also, I think it&#8217;s too early to really tell what such a narrative should be, with so much looming over the horizon, eighteen months or so away &#8211; CC and economic instability questions for starters, huge in themselves, let alone the daily stuff which hasn&#8217;t yet concretised in the public political mind, but will.  I think then we&#8217;ll know if Rudd has played his early year well, or not.</p>
<p>Not knowing him is frustrating, and we want to draw a rule from him to measure against past knowns, but he&#8217;s clearly doing it his way, and while he might be a flop I don&#8217;t think he can be at all underestimated, especially in terms of playing the politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dd, I&#039;d be interested in knowing why you think that. I dipped into the David Love book but it&#039;s hard to assess the argument because it&#039;s all PJK propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dd, I&#8217;d be interested in knowing why you think that. I dipped into the David Love book but it&#8217;s hard to assess the argument because it&#8217;s all PJK propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
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		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no doubt that PJK is far more entertaining than the Ruddster and I always enjoy it whenever he flicks the switch to vaudeville.  But let&#039;s separate style from substance here; Keating was a self-indulgent and disorganised PM who more than anybody was responsible for inflicting a very conservative government on us.  It&#039;s no good having a vision if you don&#039;t do the necessary to get it implemented.

Now Rudd is a boring, prudish, small-c-conservative micromanaging workaholic who, unlike Keating, is hard to warm to personally.  I know who I&#039;d rather share a drink with. But he&#039;s likely to last a lot longer than Keating as PM and Keating is in no position to give him advice.

Oh, and BTW the proposed increase in complulsory super that Keating keeps pushing is really, really crap policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that PJK is far more entertaining than the Ruddster and I always enjoy it whenever he flicks the switch to vaudeville.  But let&#8217;s separate style from substance here; Keating was a self-indulgent and disorganised PM who more than anybody was responsible for inflicting a very conservative government on us.  It&#8217;s no good having a vision if you don&#8217;t do the necessary to get it implemented.</p>
<p>Now Rudd is a boring, prudish, small-c-conservative micromanaging workaholic who, unlike Keating, is hard to warm to personally.  I know who I&#8217;d rather share a drink with. But he&#8217;s likely to last a lot longer than Keating as PM and Keating is in no position to give him advice.</p>
<p>Oh, and BTW the proposed increase in complulsory super that Keating keeps pushing is really, really crap policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politics seems to most often a victory of style over substance.  This seems to be more pronounced in recent years.  This is epitomised by the Hollowmen - bearing in mind that truth is often stranger than fiction.

If Rudd is micro-managing, then by definition he will not grasp the mettle on the really big topics such as water, climate change and constitutional reform (such as getting state government to do sensible non-parochial things.

It seems to me, as Julian Morrow observed on Q&amp;A, that Rudd&#039;s government is really not providing the leadership people want on defining issues of our time such as water, climate change, renewable energy and sustainable living.

Keating still makes me chuckle, most recently for his accurate description of Costello as a nong, and in the past for cracks such as &quot;the Souflée only rising once&quot; (Peacock). But I won&#039;t forgive him for the RFAs and sanctioning ongoing destruction of Australia&#039;s unique and irreplaceable native forests, which of course still continues unabated, so he was not wholly responsible for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politics seems to most often a victory of style over substance.  This seems to be more pronounced in recent years.  This is epitomised by the Hollowmen &#8211; bearing in mind that truth is often stranger than fiction.</p>
<p>If Rudd is micro-managing, then by definition he will not grasp the mettle on the really big topics such as water, climate change and constitutional reform (such as getting state government to do sensible non-parochial things.</p>
<p>It seems to me, as Julian Morrow observed on Q&amp;A, that Rudd&#8217;s government is really not providing the leadership people want on defining issues of our time such as water, climate change, renewable energy and sustainable living.</p>
<p>Keating still makes me chuckle, most recently for his accurate description of Costello as a nong, and in the past for cracks such as &#8220;the Souflée only rising once&#8221; (Peacock). But I won&#8217;t forgive him for the RFAs and sanctioning ongoing destruction of Australia&#8217;s unique and irreplaceable native forests, which of course still continues unabated, so he was not wholly responsible for this.</p>
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