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		<title>By: Seven Star Hand</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/12/russia-and-georgia-war-reaction-reality-free-edition/#comment-221114</link>
		<dc:creator>Seven Star Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all,

&lt;i&gt;Here&#039;s another analysis on the Russia-Georgia shenanigans. Only this one addresses the machinations of the &quot;hidden hands&quot; behind this and other dastardly events.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s time for people to wake-up to the true nature of the world leaders that have set this thing into motion. It is far more deceptive, contrived, and sinister than most would believe. That is why I have been patiently setting a very unique trap for these snakes. Take the time to understand and then hold their feet to the fire !!!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://forgingnewparadigms.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Time to get a clue, before its too late...&lt;/a&gt;

Peace and Wisdom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all,</p>
<p><i>Here&#8217;s another analysis on the Russia-Georgia shenanigans. Only this one addresses the machinations of the &#8220;hidden hands&#8221; behind this and other dastardly events.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for people to wake-up to the true nature of the world leaders that have set this thing into motion. It is far more deceptive, contrived, and sinister than most would believe. That is why I have been patiently setting a very unique trap for these snakes. Take the time to understand and then hold their feet to the fire !!!</p>
<p><a href="http://forgingnewparadigms.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Time to get a clue, before its too late&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Peace and Wisdom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out of Sài Gòn</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/12/russia-and-georgia-war-reaction-reality-free-edition/#comment-221113</link>
		<dc:creator>Down and Out of Sài Gòn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MarkL - if the FSB were trolling all these discussion boards, then they were &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt;. They pulled off an awesome impersonation of how Russian RWDBs would troll English discussion boards. They had it all - monotonous and repetitive arguments, spelling and grammatical mistakes, character encoding issues (where the original Cyrillic would come out garbled). They even took the trouble to throw in a few anti-Semitic posts, knowing full well that they&#039;d be deleted in &lt;i&gt;minutes&lt;/i&gt;. They had the impression down pat.

Or perhaps most of the posters were &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; Russian commentators - readers of the Russian equivalents of Bolt and Blair. Who would &#039;ave thunk?

I don&#039;t deny that FSB would have helped things if needed. But they don&#039;t. There are a lot of &#039;patriotic&#039; men and women at &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(youth_movement)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nashi&lt;/a&gt; to start the trolling, and then things went viral from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MarkL &#8211; if the FSB were trolling all these discussion boards, then they were <i>good</i>. They pulled off an awesome impersonation of how Russian RWDBs would troll English discussion boards. They had it all &#8211; monotonous and repetitive arguments, spelling and grammatical mistakes, character encoding issues (where the original Cyrillic would come out garbled). They even took the trouble to throw in a few anti-Semitic posts, knowing full well that they&#8217;d be deleted in <i>minutes</i>. They had the impression down pat.</p>
<p>Or perhaps most of the posters were <i>actual</i> Russian commentators &#8211; readers of the Russian equivalents of Bolt and Blair. Who would &#8216;ave thunk?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t deny that FSB would have helped things if needed. But they don&#8217;t. There are a lot of &#8216;patriotic&#8217; men and women at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(youth_movement)" rel="nofollow">Nashi</a> to start the trolling, and then things went viral from there.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How gullible are you MarkL&quot;

Hint: Said MarkL was/is an ardent supporter of the invasion of Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How gullible are you MarkL&#8221;</p>
<p>Hint: Said MarkL was/is an ardent supporter of the invasion of Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: nasking</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/12/russia-and-georgia-war-reaction-reality-free-edition/#comment-221111</link>
		<dc:creator>nasking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While that cyberattack is now escalating (lots of RBN botnets getting into the fray… but no attacks on US-hosted Georgian sites yet) and the FSB agitprop boys are all over every site discussing this (go see UK Telegraph, Gruniard and Times - playing spot-the-FSB-apparatchik is fun, and instructive).

How gullible are you MarkL...I wouldn&#039;t trust a thing that comes out of those media sources. One only needs to look at the American instigators &amp; their supporting media to know this is another MANUFACTURED conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While that cyberattack is now escalating (lots of RBN botnets getting into the fray… but no attacks on US-hosted Georgian sites yet) and the FSB agitprop boys are all over every site discussing this (go see UK Telegraph, Gruniard and Times &#8211; playing spot-the-FSB-apparatchik is fun, and instructive).</p>
<p>How gullible are you MarkL&#8230;I wouldn&#8217;t trust a thing that comes out of those media sources. One only needs to look at the American instigators &amp; their supporting media to know this is another MANUFACTURED conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ambigulous.

Empathy is a widely misunderstood habit of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ambigulous.</p>
<p>Empathy is a widely misunderstood habit of mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz, you wrote: &quot;I’m not aware of any present Russian leaders mentioning Cuba 1962. That is my invention signifying nothing more than a piece of historical shorthand, like Munich 1938 is often invoked.&quot;

If it&#039;s simply your invention, that&#039;s fine. But just a bit earlier you also wrote: &quot;Russia has already warned that they regard the deployment of these missiles as an act of war a la Cuba 1962.&quot;

I assumed you were quoting recent Russian leaders. If not, I apologise unreservedly for any offence given, by my misunderstanding your earlier post. You have checkmated me. I withdraw.

Further, I will not &quot;have to&quot; clarify anything, Katz. I was referring to a lengthy debate conducted on LP a long time ago; I don&#039;t wish to bore other readers witless by re-hashing that. This is not, BTW, a concession that your expressions of &#039;empathy&#039; for Fidel and his missile-hosting etc etc etc were things I now concede were justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz, you wrote: &#8220;I’m not aware of any present Russian leaders mentioning Cuba 1962. That is my invention signifying nothing more than a piece of historical shorthand, like Munich 1938 is often invoked.&#8221;</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s simply your invention, that&#8217;s fine. But just a bit earlier you also wrote: &#8220;Russia has already warned that they regard the deployment of these missiles as an act of war a la Cuba 1962.&#8221;</p>
<p>I assumed you were quoting recent Russian leaders. If not, I apologise unreservedly for any offence given, by my misunderstanding your earlier post. You have checkmated me. I withdraw.</p>
<p>Further, I will not &#8220;have to&#8221; clarify anything, Katz. I was referring to a lengthy debate conducted on LP a long time ago; I don&#8217;t wish to bore other readers witless by re-hashing that. This is not, BTW, a concession that your expressions of &#8216;empathy&#8217; for Fidel and his missile-hosting etc etc etc were things I now concede were justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NUCLEAR PHYSICS UPDATE

As far as we can tell, fissioning nuclei are unaware of regional disputes, ethnic cleansing, diplomatic pressures, trade sanctions, bombast, artillery fire, rumbling tanks, patriotic fervour, bloodstained bicycles, or the price of energy.

GLOBAL DIPLOMACY UPDATE

Katz correctly points out that the US and Russia are nuclear weapons powers, armed to the teeth. Truly an elephant in the room. At times of crisis, when the nuclear sabres are rattled (hence getting lots of folks rattled), it comes as a nasty surprise to realise that not enough nations have done the hard yards to REDUCE the risks of the use of nuclear weapons with all the threats to person&#039;s livelihoods they entail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NUCLEAR PHYSICS UPDATE</p>
<p>As far as we can tell, fissioning nuclei are unaware of regional disputes, ethnic cleansing, diplomatic pressures, trade sanctions, bombast, artillery fire, rumbling tanks, patriotic fervour, bloodstained bicycles, or the price of energy.</p>
<p>GLOBAL DIPLOMACY UPDATE</p>
<p>Katz correctly points out that the US and Russia are nuclear weapons powers, armed to the teeth. Truly an elephant in the room. At times of crisis, when the nuclear sabres are rattled (hence getting lots of folks rattled), it comes as a nasty surprise to realise that not enough nations have done the hard yards to REDUCE the risks of the use of nuclear weapons with all the threats to person&#8217;s livelihoods they entail.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not an analogy. It&#039;s a parallel.

I&#039;m not aware of any present Russian leaders mentioning Cuba 1962. That is my invention signifying nothing more than a piece of historical shorthand, like Munich 1938 is often invoked.

Do you seriously think I&#039;m trying to advise the Russians? More worryingly, do you seriously think that the Russians would take any advice I might give them?

You&#039;ll have to clarify what you mean by &quot;wonderfully well&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not an analogy. It&#8217;s a parallel.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware of any present Russian leaders mentioning Cuba 1962. That is my invention signifying nothing more than a piece of historical shorthand, like Munich 1938 is often invoked.</p>
<p>Do you seriously think I&#8217;m trying to advise the Russians? More worryingly, do you seriously think that the Russians would take any advice I might give them?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll have to clarify what you mean by &#8220;wonderfully well&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz,

Do you mean that Russia now believes the stationing of Soviet offensive missiles on Cuban soil in 1962 was an act of war against the USA? As JFK and RFK and the US govt regarded it?

And by drawing that analogy, do the Russian leaders justify their putting extreme pressure on the Poles? Do you have a suggestion for an analogue of the 1962 US naval blockade + diplomatic pressure? Or would you prefer the Russians do their own military planning without benefit of your advice?

When we discussed Fidel and Cuba on LP many months ago, I formed the impression that you thought Fidel had done wonderfully well in 1962 by hosting the Soviet missiles. Now you write &quot;The timetable for deployment of those missiles sets the scene for a doomsday scenario.&quot;

I hope you&#039;re not suggesting
&quot;Soviet-missiles-good
Yankee-missiles-bad&quot;

- you&#039;re not, are you??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz,</p>
<p>Do you mean that Russia now believes the stationing of Soviet offensive missiles on Cuban soil in 1962 was an act of war against the USA? As JFK and RFK and the US govt regarded it?</p>
<p>And by drawing that analogy, do the Russian leaders justify their putting extreme pressure on the Poles? Do you have a suggestion for an analogue of the 1962 US naval blockade + diplomatic pressure? Or would you prefer the Russians do their own military planning without benefit of your advice?</p>
<p>When we discussed Fidel and Cuba on LP many months ago, I formed the impression that you thought Fidel had done wonderfully well in 1962 by hosting the Soviet missiles. Now you write &#8220;The timetable for deployment of those missiles sets the scene for a doomsday scenario.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re not suggesting<br />
&#8220;Soviet-missiles-good<br />
Yankee-missiles-bad&#8221;</p>
<p>- you&#8217;re not, are you??</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The US has been backed into a corner,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The US has allowed/encouraged these events to be crystallised in ways that are disadvantageous in the short term for US prestige. But the US has many resources at its disposal that can prevent the demise of Georgian sovereignty. The fact that Russia has no credible political client in Georgia undermines imperialist ambitions.

&lt;blockquote&gt; and the near abroad knows that Russia is back as a regional power.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In addition to the fact that Russia shares with the US world-ending capabilities. This is the elephant in the room that no one wants to mention.

&lt;blockquote&gt;With just a couple of divisions, Putin has browbeaten the FSU republics, made them think long and hard about joining the West, stopped NATO cold and shown the EU to be a broken reed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Possibly true. Though I suspect that the Georgia episode was made Poland even more determined to host those anti-missile missiles. Russia has already warned that they regard the deployment of these missiles as an act of war a la Cuba 1962. The timetable for deployment of those missiles sets the scene for a doomsday scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The US has been backed into a corner,</p></blockquote>
<p>The US has allowed/encouraged these events to be crystallised in ways that are disadvantageous in the short term for US prestige. But the US has many resources at its disposal that can prevent the demise of Georgian sovereignty. The fact that Russia has no credible political client in Georgia undermines imperialist ambitions.</p>
<blockquote><p> and the near abroad knows that Russia is back as a regional power.</p></blockquote>
<p>In addition to the fact that Russia shares with the US world-ending capabilities. This is the elephant in the room that no one wants to mention.</p>
<blockquote><p>With just a couple of divisions, Putin has browbeaten the FSU republics, made them think long and hard about joining the West, stopped NATO cold and shown the EU to be a broken reed.</p></blockquote>
<p>Possibly true. Though I suspect that the Georgia episode was made Poland even more determined to host those anti-missile missiles. Russia has already warned that they regard the deployment of these missiles as an act of war a la Cuba 1962. The timetable for deployment of those missiles sets the scene for a doomsday scenario.</p>
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