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	<title>Comments on: Newspoll Tuesday: Labor 56-44</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/26/newspoll-tuesday-labor-56-44/#comment-223366</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBB, I certainly &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; been paying attention. Whilst some in the media did pursue the Howard government over sa few of its ... err ... misdemenours, the general thrust of the newspapers, TV and radio was to paper over this stuff. None of it got a decent run until well after the event, except for Haneef, and anyone challenging the government got belted about the ears for being unastrayan from every direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBB, I certainly <em>have</em> been paying attention. Whilst some in the media did pursue the Howard government over sa few of its &#8230; err &#8230; misdemenours, the general thrust of the newspapers, TV and radio was to paper over this stuff. None of it got a decent run until well after the event, except for Haneef, and anyone challenging the government got belted about the ears for being unastrayan from every direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/26/newspoll-tuesday-labor-56-44/#comment-223365</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Howard government got such a good run at the last election that some papers were itching to put a &#039;Vote Howard&#039; sticker on their front page. Howard was always going to pull a rabbit out of the hat (Tampa, terrrorism, 9/11, racist fear etc)and Costello&#039;s &#039;brilliance&#039; was going to bring the poll bounce.

Whilst that dirty Rudd in Scores had to look forward to incessant screaming about Burke and that he was done for. You could see glee and joy in the faces of the reporters writing about Burkegate thinking they had sunk the evil threat to the Empire.

Howard got a dream run from the conservative press and they only ventured to really get stuck into him when they thought Labor had no chance.

It is pretty tiresome to see and to keep complaining about. It is like living with a &#039;drop dunny&#039; (murdoch media) in the house, it smells all the time but not much you can do about it. And to follow the analogy we know who represents each piece of smell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Howard government got such a good run at the last election that some papers were itching to put a &#8216;Vote Howard&#8217; sticker on their front page. Howard was always going to pull a rabbit out of the hat (Tampa, terrrorism, 9/11, racist fear etc)and Costello&#8217;s &#8216;brilliance&#8217; was going to bring the poll bounce.</p>
<p>Whilst that dirty Rudd in Scores had to look forward to incessant screaming about Burke and that he was done for. You could see glee and joy in the faces of the reporters writing about Burkegate thinking they had sunk the evil threat to the Empire.</p>
<p>Howard got a dream run from the conservative press and they only ventured to really get stuck into him when they thought Labor had no chance.</p>
<p>It is pretty tiresome to see and to keep complaining about. It is like living with a &#8216;drop dunny&#8217; (murdoch media) in the house, it smells all the time but not much you can do about it. And to follow the analogy we know who represents each piece of smell.</p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/26/newspoll-tuesday-labor-56-44/#comment-223364</link>
		<dc:creator>jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Under the Howard government welfare-to-work reforms, single parents are forced off the pension and on to the dole to look for work when their youngest child turns eight. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Australian report linked @ 6 is incorrect - single parents are not turfed off the pension when their youngest turns eight - they are still entitled to the Parenting Payment, a pension card, etc - however they now must work 15 hours per week and sign a contract.

So similar &#039;mutual obligation&#039; arrangements and contracts to the dole but they still receive a proportion of the Parenting Payment less Gross Income calc. and the Pension Card etc.

I thought study and volunteer work were counted towards the 15 hours - but possibly this is a discretionary Centrelink thing and not regulated...?

And I think parents are turfed off and always have been, when the kids turn 15/16???

Continue on....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Under the Howard government welfare-to-work reforms, single parents are forced off the pension and on to the dole to look for work when their youngest child turns eight. </p></blockquote>
<p>The Australian report linked @ 6 is incorrect &#8211; single parents are not turfed off the pension when their youngest turns eight &#8211; they are still entitled to the Parenting Payment, a pension card, etc &#8211; however they now must work 15 hours per week and sign a contract.</p>
<p>So similar &#8216;mutual obligation&#8217; arrangements and contracts to the dole but they still receive a proportion of the Parenting Payment less Gross Income calc. and the Pension Card etc.</p>
<p>I thought study and volunteer work were counted towards the 15 hours &#8211; but possibly this is a discretionary Centrelink thing and not regulated&#8230;?</p>
<p>And I think parents are turfed off and always have been, when the kids turn 15/16???</p>
<p>Continue on&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/26/newspoll-tuesday-labor-56-44/#comment-223363</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, BBB, I know that you see yourself as one of this site&#039;s resident sceptics, but for crying out loud, no government in recent history has got such a dream run from the media as the Howard government. Reality check in order here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, BBB, I know that you see yourself as one of this site&#8217;s resident sceptics, but for crying out loud, no government in recent history has got such a dream run from the media as the Howard government. Reality check in order here!</p>
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		<title>By: Bingo Bango Boingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bingo Bango Boingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a problem the world over.  RWDBs think the MSM is hopelessly left-wing.  Lefties think the MSM is a front for corporate interests.  What can I say, David?  You haven&#039;t been paying attention.  I can name about 20 scandals covered at length by the MSM that reflected very poorly on the Howard Government.  Children overboard?  AWB?  The Iraq War?  Ring any bells?

BBB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a problem the world over.  RWDBs think the MSM is hopelessly left-wing.  Lefties think the MSM is a front for corporate interests.  What can I say, David?  You haven&#8217;t been paying attention.  I can name about 20 scandals covered at length by the MSM that reflected very poorly on the Howard Government.  Children overboard?  AWB?  The Iraq War?  Ring any bells?</p>
<p>BBB</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBB, I don&#039;t recall the Libs getting much of a kicking from &lt;em&gt;anyone&lt;/em&gt; in the MSM for the whole time they were in government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBB, I don&#8217;t recall the Libs getting much of a kicking from <em>anyone</em> in the MSM for the whole time they were in government.</p>
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		<title>By: Bingo Bango Boingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bingo Bango Boingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guido, the press like to kick governments.  It doesn&#039;t matter whether they are left or right, ALP or Liberal, just so long as they get a kicking.  Who&#039;d want to kick the Liberal Party?  They&#039;re less than irrelevant right now.

BBB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guido, the press like to kick governments.  It doesn&#8217;t matter whether they are left or right, ALP or Liberal, just so long as they get a kicking.  Who&#8217;d want to kick the Liberal Party?  They&#8217;re less than irrelevant right now.</p>
<p>BBB</p>
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		<title>By: zorronsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/26/newspoll-tuesday-labor-56-44/#comment-223359</link>
		<dc:creator>zorronsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Participation Taskforce should recommend new accounting re allowable earnings for over 55s so that they aren&#039;t penalized out of the job market to start with. Maybe then they&#039;d have a crack at the millions of jobs available for seniors. You know, fruit picking,mining,heavy vehicle and machinery operating etc. Black money anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Participation Taskforce should recommend new accounting re allowable earnings for over 55s so that they aren&#8217;t penalized out of the job market to start with. Maybe then they&#8217;d have a crack at the millions of jobs available for seniors. You know, fruit picking,mining,heavy vehicle and machinery operating etc. Black money anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silkworm ,try this link.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24203848-2702,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silkworm ,try this link.<br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24203848-2702,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24203848-2702,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: silkworm</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/08/26/newspoll-tuesday-labor-56-44/#comment-223357</link>
		<dc:creator>silkworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In fact, Howard-like, they’re picking on unemployed over 55 year olds, apparently.&quot;

Could you elaborate on this, Paul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact, Howard-like, they’re picking on unemployed over 55 year olds, apparently.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could you elaborate on this, Paul?</p>
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