Comments on: Obligatory Obama acclamation & McCain Veep selection thread

By: Kim

Kim — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:38:27 +0000

I think it might work better if we were having this conversation on just one thread at a time. So please go here to continue it:

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/03/the-life-of-palin-or-health-care-and-justice-and-climate-change-or-stuff/

By: Liam

Liam — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:33:29 +0000

Off-message for the Republicans, adrian? Is that why we seem to be obsessing over a woman’s role in or out of the house, the out-of-wedlock pregnancy of a teenager, and that teenager’s body fat? Doesn’t sound too off-message to me.

By: adrian

adrian — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:26:13 +0000

Amanda, I think you are discounting the general air of crisis surrounding the ticket and the fact that it is forcing the Republicans off message. We all know how the media, particularly in America works, and it is full of this at the moment, to the detriment of the Republicans.
And the Christian bloc isn’t the only group voters that the Democrats need to appeal to if they are going to win.

By: amanda

amanda — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:14:05 +0000

Adrian,the Christian bloc is NOT going to drop her because her daughter is pregnant. If anything her response to it makes her a better candidate for them. She has known challenges hallelujah and by the lords grace has overcome!

Like I already said, in purely strategic terms there is no benefit for the dems here. To the degree it highlights McCain’s reckless rush for symbol points, that helps. But you don’t need a drooling mob of randoms pontificating on the appropiate distribution of a girl’s belly fat to make that point.

By: wbb

wbb — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:08:33 +0000

Why would candidates personal lives only be attacked from the right-wing. It’s effective or not effective. Immoral or moral. It’s not a matter of left or right.

But as Obama won’t be touching this stuff with a 40′ pole – the argument is moot.

Media and internet scandal will do this thing to death. For better or worse.

Anticipation of the VP candidates’ debate on Oct 2 is running hot.

By: Liam

Liam — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:41:39 +0000

No worries adrian.
Amanda is right—there’s nasty tactics, and there’s nasty tactics that are not likely to win votes of anyone likely to vote Democratic. Making the uteruses of candidates and candidates’ families a voting issue is a right-wing ploy, and it’s a fundamentally non-political one.

By: joe2

joe2 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:30:29 +0000

I have a cartoon for all and still reckon fundamentalist right wing moral crusaders who now stand for VP are open to special scrutiny, family matters included. Especially when they parade, their team, like animal trophy, for advertising a very ugly pro war cause.

Maybe we could go without the Bristol vid that G.R. is already hogging on a private loveboat.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/fish/2008/09/the_mother_the_daughter_and_th.php#comments

By: adrian

adrian — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:30:22 +0000

Liam, my apologies for being excessively snarky above. Only excuse was I was just about to leave for work. Great ad, by the way, but don’t you think it will only appeal to voters with a brain?

Amanda, is there some sort of law of US politics that states that gutter tactics only work for the Republicans and not for the Democratics, that I am unaware of?
It’s that old staple of political bullshit the world over – the ‘character’ of the candidate who is standing for high office blah blah blah. Hell you should have learnt the script from the Libs and their media lackeys at the last election.
The Americans play the same game, just a little harder. Well actually, a lot harder.

When part of a candidate’s key message is appealing to hard right christian sensibilities on sex and reproduction and her personal life hardly mirrors this image, then in America she is fair game. You might not like it, I might not like it, but unless you want McCain as President and all that implies, dismount thy high horse!

By: Amanda

Amanda — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:13:10 +0000

To win the election.

Rovian tactics, u r doin it rong. Nothing even slightly associated with these issues will make one single jot of difference to Dem chances of winning the election. Underage sex tapes, while you might enjoy them, aren’t gonna do it either. Sorry bro, there’s always x – tube.

If you want dirt at least come up with something worthwhile and which will actually negate her appeal to the people she is there to appeal to and can’t be disproven in five seconds flat. You see how it works?

I’ve got one to start with: her own stated policies and inexperience.

By: Spiros

Spiros — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:53:34 +0000

“a crack squad of Democratic ob/gyns. Pap Force Five?”

Whose mission would be to smear Sarah Palin.

“Lots of energy expended for … what, exactly?”

To win the election.

Speaking of which, it’s time to start talking about … the betting markets! As of right now, on Betfair, Obama is $1.56 and McCain is $2.90.