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21 responses to “Arctic update”

  1. Tobias Ziegler

    Bolt says:

    But… but.. but…

    Look over there! There’s ice in Antarctica! And the sea levels aren’t rising!

    Great post, Brian – thanks for the update. Bolt and other deniers seem to make a habit of capitalising on regression to the mean – the fact that 2007 was an extreme year for ice loss means that 2008 can be treated as having more ice, just like all the years after 1998 are cooler.

    Also, the links to Barry Brook and Open Mind appear to be missing.

  2. Brian

    Thanks, Tobias. The Brook and Open Mind links were there and working. I’ve expanded the link words to make them more obvious.

  3. Tobias Ziegler

    Cheers, Brian – I suspect my bleary eyes played a part in missing them.

  4. Brian

    Climate progress points out that the North Pole has become an island for the first time in 125,000 years.

    Commenter Richard C links to yet another interesting graph.

  5. Ben Eltham

    Brian, more depressing news.

    For interested LP readers, I’ve spent a lot of time analysing the recent BCA report into emissions trading – and found that they are almost certainly wrong in claiming that carbon leakage is a big issue for Australia. The article is at NewMatilda.com

  6. dk.au

    Thanks Ben. Typical of the kinds of ‘lobbying innovation’ we’re seeing in response to any discussion of an ETS. Where’s the positive spin from business about innovative new techs that will slash our carbon emissions?

  7. cato

    you shouldn’t worry too much about arctic ice melting because its floating in water.

    you can just go up there and save the polar bears, but it will have a positive impact for us humans.

  8. Mercurius

    Cato – as long as the Greenland ice sheet stays put, and the Siberian Tundra doesn’t turn to soup, you’re probably right from a short term perspective. Cutting 4,000 nautical miles off the shipping routes from Germany to Japan will have some remarkable economic effects, as will, say, a six-week season of North Pole pleasure cruises circa 2015 (book now!).

    But just because it was all (literally) beer and skittles for the Vikings during the middle ages, don’t assume that modern agricultural industries elsewhere in the world won’t suffer disruption from shifting rainfall patterns. And pray that the Gulf Stream keeps conveying nice warm Caribbean water eastward across the Atlantic, unless you relish the thought of “Old Europe” under a half-mile of ice.

  9. Peter Wood

    Crikey reported today that Garnaut will propose a 0-15% 2020 reduction target, and apparantly that will be constistent with a 450ppm stabilisation target (????) . I wonder what implications that has for the Arctic ice…

  10. Brian

    In the long run, Peter W, it means there probably won’t be any ice anywhere.

    Mercurious, there is also the prospect of oil and gas to be found under the Arctic Ocean, so we can pump even more CO2 into the air.

  11. aidan

    The latest version of the first graph in the post is here:

    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png

    Hard to say if it will beat the previous record, but it does look like we’re in a different regime now.

  12. aidan

    Oops .. missed the link to that in the text. My bad.

  13. Brian

    aidan, a couple of days ago it looked as though it was bottoming out, but it’s heading south again. A couple of weeks should tell the story for this year.

    A new regime is one way of putting it. I’d say we are at the beginning of the end-phase. You’ll notice that the criterion is “at least 15% sea ice” which is not much. It looks as though there may be a strip along the northern Canadian coast that might hang on for a while, but here too there are continual reports about ice shelves collapsing and chunks falling off. And the remaining floating ice is becoming so thin that some time soon it is likely to just break up and dissolve.

    In an article a few days ago Gwynne Dyer said the arctic story really gets scientists by the throat but it’s too remote to stir the populace at large. But if Gustav had turned out to be Katrina 2 people would have taken notice.

    So he’s saying, and I agree with him, that it’s going to take something pretty dramatic to galvanise the world into action.

  14. Brian

    Via Carbon Planet stories from Google Earth and Reuters on the disintegration of Arctic ice shelves.

    Mueller said the total amount of ice lost from the shelves along Ellesmere Island this summer totaled 83 square miles — more than three times the area of Manhattan island.

    The figure is more than 10 times the amount of ice shelf cover that scientists estimated on July 30 would vanish from around the island this summer.

    Ellesmere Island was once home to a single enormous ice shelf totaling around 3,500 square miles. All that is left of that shelf today are the four much smaller shelves that together cover little more than 300 square miles.

    Scientists say the ice shelves, which contain unique ecosystems that had yet to be studied, will not be replaced because they took so long to form.

    The Telegraph has an image showing the north-west passage and the north-east passage open, making the North Pole an island. The Beluga Group in Germany is planning to send a ship through the north-east passage to Japan next year. The Canadians reckon anyone using the north-west passage should check in with them.

  15. aidan

    Clearly this is a (ghoulishly) fascinating problem, with heaps of contributing factors, just take a look at

    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    with analysis of sea temperatures, rates of ice loss in different locations etc. What is clear is that ice volume is the big story — it has plunged dramatically. This has a sort of 2nd-order effect on the ice extent, with melting further into September than normal and also more rapid ice loss through the all the summer months.

    The record low summer ice extent in 2007 was, mostly, the result of the ice extent falling off a cliff at the end of June that year (losing what looks like a million square kilometres in the space of a week or two). This year the (as yet not quite) record low is based on the rate of ice loss not abating through late August.

    They’re saying this continuing high rate of loss is due to the thinness of the ice, and I guess the massive loss of ice extent in late June 2007 may well have been the result of the thinning ice too. Anomalously warm/windy conditions that early in the season presumably wouldn’t have resulted in such a rapid decline in ice extent when the ice was much thicker.

    I think you’re right. End game. Just a matter of time really.

  16. Brian

    Thanks for that aidan. I didn’t read that link all the way through before I posted.

    Here’s the BBC story on the great ice shelf collapse.

    The shelves themselves are merely remnants of a much larger feature that was once bounded to Ellesmere Island and covered almost 10,000 sq km (3,500 sq miles).

    Over the past 100 years, this expanse of ice has retreated by 90%, and at the start of this summer season covered just under 1,000 sq km (400 sq miles).

    Much of the area was lost during a warm period in the 1930s and 1940s.

    It seems the latest bout of ice shelf break-up dates from 2002.

    Meanwhile I’ve just heard it’s raining in Greenland. That’s put my mind into a spin that makes it hard to attend to Garnaut etc, but I’ll try.

  17. Nick

    This is amusing – Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered

    I wonder if every one of the 1000+ sites and blogs that took so much glee in linking to this article will also report the update.

  18. Nick

    (update to the article, not sea ice extent data)

  19. Brian

    Nick, yes, that post by Goddard is the one that Tim Lambert at Deltoid dissected. In an update he mentions that Bolt has linked to it more than once and started a post this way:

    Steven Goddard checks those predictions that the North Pole could melt clear away this summer, and finds we can (yet again) relax.

  20. Nick

    Sorry Brian! I missed the link up there.

    Ah well, it’s good (I guess) that some googling on related issues turns up Goddard’s post pretty quickly.

  21. Brian

    No probs, Nick!

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