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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe2, I did hear Jimmy Carter with my own ears say that if his outfit were called to observe the US elections he wouldn&#039;t bother getting out of bed. The necessary conditions for a fair election simply don&#039;t exist in the land of the free!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe2, I did hear Jimmy Carter with my own ears say that if his outfit were called to observe the US elections he wouldn&#8217;t bother getting out of bed. The necessary conditions for a fair election simply don&#8217;t exist in the land of the free!</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, cool, no probs, Dr Cat.</description>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, no, no, that&#039;s not what I meant at all -- I&#039;m grateful that you deleted it and was referring merely to possible future violations of courtesy and good taste; I&#039;m sufficiently familiar with Nanuestalker&#039;s style to have a fair idea what it said. 

If Nasking and Brian are right then it seems I was, in any case, just momentarily mixing up my dates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, no, no, that&#8217;s not what I meant at all &#8212; I&#8217;m grateful that you deleted it and was referring merely to possible future violations of courtesy and good taste; I&#8217;m sufficiently familiar with Nanuestalker&#8217;s style to have a fair idea what it said. </p>
<p>If Nasking and Brian are right then it seems I was, in any case, just momentarily mixing up my dates.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not generous at all in this case, Dr Cat, just not around at the time the initial comment by nanuestalker was posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not generous at all in this case, Dr Cat, just not around at the time the initial comment by nanuestalker was posted.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More to that Brian@121
Will people with authority, from around the world, be able to look in and see that a fair election has happened in the home of democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More to that Brian@121<br />
Will people with authority, from around the world, be able to look in and see that a fair election has happened in the home of democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a while since I looked at it but two years ago &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/06/12/stolen-election-the-death-of-democracy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I thought the 2004 election was dead set stolen.&lt;/a&gt; It started with the management of the rolls, the allocation of machines on voting day, and some strange things happened in the counting.

There were definitely problems in Ohio, which from memory was the difference in the end, but Florida was almost certainly problematic as well. There, however, the official winning was wide enough to give the impression that it must have been fair</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a while since I looked at it but two years ago <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/06/12/stolen-election-the-death-of-democracy/" rel="nofollow">I thought the 2004 election was dead set stolen.</a> It started with the management of the rolls, the allocation of machines on voting day, and some strange things happened in the counting.</p>
<p>There were definitely problems in Ohio, which from memory was the difference in the end, but Florida was almost certainly problematic as well. There, however, the official winning was wide enough to give the impression that it must have been fair</p>
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		<title>By: nasking</title>
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		<dc:creator>nasking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Um, because they cheated in Florida?&quot;

There were also problems in Florida in 2004. And particularly in Ohio:

Rove, according to our sources, has threatened Republican Party official Mike Connell and his wife Heather if Connell testifies about GOP computerized vote-rigging. Connell has been a top technical wizard for Republican web-based campaign operations, including the firms GovTech Solutions and New Media Communications. WMR has learned from knowledgeable sources in Ohio that Connell and GOP cyber-security expert Stephen Spoonamore were approached by the White House to delete “smoking gun” emails from the White House system that revealed a conspiracy by the Bush administration to fire several U.S. attorneys after the 2004 election. Spoonamore, a GOP supporter of John McCain and CEO of the computer security firm Cybrinth, has confirmed that Rove and the White House conspired to rob 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry of Ohio, thus ensuring George W. Bush’s “re-election.” According to our Ohio sources, Spoonamore directed attention to 12 Ohio counties where Kerry received fewer votes than down-ticket Democratic candidates. 

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3723

SO YOU WEREN&#039;T FAR OFF Pavlov&#039;s Cat
N&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Um, because they cheated in Florida?&#8221;</p>
<p>There were also problems in Florida in 2004. And particularly in Ohio:</p>
<p>Rove, according to our sources, has threatened Republican Party official Mike Connell and his wife Heather if Connell testifies about GOP computerized vote-rigging. Connell has been a top technical wizard for Republican web-based campaign operations, including the firms GovTech Solutions and New Media Communications. WMR has learned from knowledgeable sources in Ohio that Connell and GOP cyber-security expert Stephen Spoonamore were approached by the White House to delete “smoking gun” emails from the White House system that revealed a conspiracy by the Bush administration to fire several U.S. attorneys after the 2004 election. Spoonamore, a GOP supporter of John McCain and CEO of the computer security firm Cybrinth, has confirmed that Rove and the White House conspired to rob 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry of Ohio, thus ensuring George W. Bush’s “re-election.” According to our Ohio sources, Spoonamore directed attention to 12 Ohio counties where Kerry received fewer votes than down-ticket Democratic candidates. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3723" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3723</a></p>
<p>SO YOU WEREN&#8217;T FAR OFF Pavlov&#8217;s Cat<br />
N&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I missed the whole thing. Yes, Nanuestalker, my bad, d&#039;oh, etc. It was a careless mistake (made in haste, as Kim surmises), I was wrong, and it would indeed been indescribably foolish of me to offer that as a &#039;deliberate lie&#039; so what a good thing I didn&#039;t, eh? 

Point-score away, however, if you wish to do so at my expense and if Kim et al are generous enough to tolerate it, but frankly I have more interesting things to think about. Still, next time I see you make any kind of blog-commenting error I will be on it like a rat up a drainpipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I missed the whole thing. Yes, Nanuestalker, my bad, d&#8217;oh, etc. It was a careless mistake (made in haste, as Kim surmises), I was wrong, and it would indeed been indescribably foolish of me to offer that as a &#8216;deliberate lie&#8217; so what a good thing I didn&#8217;t, eh? </p>
<p>Point-score away, however, if you wish to do so at my expense and if Kim et al are generous enough to tolerate it, but frankly I have more interesting things to think about. Still, next time I see you make any kind of blog-commenting error I will be on it like a rat up a drainpipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I deleted your comment for rudeness. And you&#039;re on notice to stop assuming the worst about other commenters and slagging them off needlessly. I&#039;m sure Dr Cat knows that the kerfuffle over hanging chads in Florida happened in 2000, and isn&#039;t &quot;deliberately lying&quot;. People make comments on these blogs quickly often. It would be charitable and generous to recognise that and not try to do the point scoring thing constantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deleted your comment for rudeness. And you&#8217;re on notice to stop assuming the worst about other commenters and slagging them off needlessly. I&#8217;m sure Dr Cat knows that the kerfuffle over hanging chads in Florida happened in 2000, and isn&#8217;t &#8220;deliberately lying&#8221;. People make comments on these blogs quickly often. It would be charitable and generous to recognise that and not try to do the point scoring thing constantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanuestalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanuestalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your going to delete my comment at least correct Pav&#039;s foolishness or deliberate lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your going to delete my comment at least correct Pav&#8217;s foolishness or deliberate lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Um, because they cheated in Florida?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That happened in 2000, allegedly. In 2004 John Kerry ran a highly inept campaign. The Republicans oft claim that Bush won in a landslide. He didn&#039;t. His victory was quite narrow. It should&#039;ve been a lot more comfortable considering that he was a war time president. Unfortunately for the Republicans they believed their own bollocks and learned the hard way come 2006. 
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Now Mr Bush polls somewhere between advanced syphillis and sex with Rodney Dangerfield for popularity. But that&#039;s all because of the commie controlled media not because he was, like, actually a fucking catastrophe or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Um, because they cheated in Florida?</p></blockquote>
<p>That happened in 2000, allegedly. In 2004 John Kerry ran a highly inept campaign. The Republicans oft claim that Bush won in a landslide. He didn&#8217;t. His victory was quite narrow. It should&#8217;ve been a lot more comfortable considering that he was a war time president. Unfortunately for the Republicans they believed their own bollocks and learned the hard way come 2006.<br />
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Now Mr Bush polls somewhere between advanced syphillis and sex with Rodney Dangerfield for popularity. But that&#8217;s all because of the commie controlled media not because he was, like, actually a fucking catastrophe or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/05/sneers-and-ridicule-from-the-gop-for-the-very-idea-of-community-organising/comment-page-3/#comment-504738</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dubya won in 2004, think why!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um, because they cheated in Florida?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dubya won in 2004, think why!</p></blockquote>
<p>Um, because they cheated in Florida?</p>
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		<title>By: Nanuestalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanuestalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Obambi would be like one of those toys that talked every time you walked pass them. Jeez, I can&#039;t handle his annoying rhetoric as it it now and I swear to God &quot;Change we can believe in&quot; has to be the most annoying slogans ever. Both sides play politics, why don&#039;t they just admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Obambi would be like one of those toys that talked every time you walked pass them. Jeez, I can&#8217;t handle his annoying rhetoric as it it now and I swear to God &#8220;Change we can believe in&#8221; has to be the most annoying slogans ever. Both sides play politics, why don&#8217;t they just admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanuestalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanuestalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen -

Dubya won in 2004, think why!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen -</p>
<p>Dubya won in 2004, think why!</p>
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		<title>By: nasking</title>
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		<dc:creator>nasking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most people would rather have Barack Obama in their living rooms than McNasty, Cheney, Bush or even Palin, I would think.&quot;

My Dad had a Buddha statue he used to keep his toupee on. What would you do w/ Obama in your living room?

I&#039;d use McNasty as a backup Xmas tree, he acts pretty stiff these days...use Bush as a cat scratch pole...hang Cheney on the door to scare off Holy Rollers...&amp; use Palin as a beer cooler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most people would rather have Barack Obama in their living rooms than McNasty, Cheney, Bush or even Palin, I would think.&#8221;</p>
<p>My Dad had a Buddha statue he used to keep his toupee on. What would you do w/ Obama in your living room?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d use McNasty as a backup Xmas tree, he acts pretty stiff these days&#8230;use Bush as a cat scratch pole&#8230;hang Cheney on the door to scare off Holy Rollers&#8230;&amp; use Palin as a beer cooler.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbecoming self-regard? &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt;. That sounds like code for something, doesn&#039;t it. Heaven help a candidate for possibly the world&#039;s highest office should have self-esteem or confidence or something. 

Most people would rather have Barack Obama in their living rooms than McNasty, Cheney, Bush or even Palin, I would think. I certainly know that if I found McNasty in my living room I&#039;d be fumigating the joint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbecoming self-regard? <i>really</i>. That sounds like code for something, doesn&#8217;t it. Heaven help a candidate for possibly the world&#8217;s highest office should have self-esteem or confidence or something. </p>
<p>Most people would rather have Barack Obama in their living rooms than McNasty, Cheney, Bush or even Palin, I would think. I certainly know that if I found McNasty in my living room I&#8217;d be fumigating the joint.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanuestalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanuestalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“In this topsy-turvy world, it is comforting to have some certainties. One of them is that, if you criticize Obama in the public square, no matter how substantively on any issue from taxes to trade, you will get letters.

They will not be notes of the “having a good time at camp” variety. You will be accused of racism, fascism, ignorance, ugliness, and poor grammar. The rage, you will find, is completely disproportional to questioning a capital gains tax hike or wondering aloud just what a “community organizer” might be.

And there is no room in the indignation for some sense of humour about “The One.”

To the extent Obama does laugh at himself, it is that insufferable sort of teacher’s pet faux-deprecation about how he is too doggone dedicated or, when he dares, some silliness about having big ears or “a funny name.” But his unbecoming self-regard is not so much about cracking wise as a style of speaking that suggests someone should be copying down his words and dividing them into verses.

It is often said that when Americans elect a president, they are inviting him into their living rooms for the next four years.

It would be irresponsible for folks to spend all that time watching comedies, since these are dangerous times in a dangerous world. But for Obama, a touch of humour, and humility, might not go amiss. Voters prefer candidates who can tackle serious issues without taking themselves too seriously.”
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2008/09/08/6696476-sun.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In this topsy-turvy world, it is comforting to have some certainties. One of them is that, if you criticize Obama in the public square, no matter how substantively on any issue from taxes to trade, you will get letters.</p>
<p>They will not be notes of the “having a good time at camp” variety. You will be accused of racism, fascism, ignorance, ugliness, and poor grammar. The rage, you will find, is completely disproportional to questioning a capital gains tax hike or wondering aloud just what a “community organizer” might be.</p>
<p>And there is no room in the indignation for some sense of humour about “The One.”</p>
<p>To the extent Obama does laugh at himself, it is that insufferable sort of teacher’s pet faux-deprecation about how he is too doggone dedicated or, when he dares, some silliness about having big ears or “a funny name.” But his unbecoming self-regard is not so much about cracking wise as a style of speaking that suggests someone should be copying down his words and dividing them into verses.</p>
<p>It is often said that when Americans elect a president, they are inviting him into their living rooms for the next four years.</p>
<p>It would be irresponsible for folks to spend all that time watching comedies, since these are dangerous times in a dangerous world. But for Obama, a touch of humour, and humility, might not go amiss. Voters prefer candidates who can tackle serious issues without taking themselves too seriously.”<br />
<a href="http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2008/09/08/6696476-sun.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tyro Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyro Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saint: &quot;Yes it’s always about you all isn’t it. Even Obama has conceded his community organising achieved nothing. (Let’s not mention ACORN)&quot;

Actually, he did no such thing; 
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He told Kellman that he feared community organizing would never allow him &quot;to make major changes in poverty or discrimination.&quot; 
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He feared his &#039;community organising&#039; would be ineffectual in producing major change, which is a different class than &quot;nothing&quot;. At which point he decided to get a law degree and become a law-maker. That&#039;s not saying that working in the community doesn&#039;t change the community you work in. It just might not effect &lt;em&gt;structural reform&lt;/em&gt;, is all. Entirely different from &#039;nothing&#039;.

As usual, the republican liar machine lies about facts in plain sight. This is obviously this week&#039;s republican talking point, better know as, this week&#039;s lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saint: &#8220;Yes it’s always about you all isn’t it. Even Obama has conceded his community organising achieved nothing. (Let’s not mention ACORN)&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, he did no such thing; </p>
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He told Kellman that he feared community organizing would never allow him &#8220;to make major changes in poverty or discrimination.&#8221;
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<p>He feared his &#8216;community organising&#8217; would be ineffectual in producing major change, which is a different class than &#8220;nothing&#8221;. At which point he decided to get a law degree and become a law-maker. That&#8217;s not saying that working in the community doesn&#8217;t change the community you work in. It just might not effect <em>structural reform</em>, is all. Entirely different from &#8216;nothing&#8217;.</p>
<p>As usual, the republican liar machine lies about facts in plain sight. This is obviously this week&#8217;s republican talking point, better know as, this week&#8217;s lie.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>feral sparrowhawk, good point.

News just in:  The Eagle Forum Alaska blog that published the 2006 questionnaire to Alaskan governors appears to be so unhappy that Palin&#039;s answers have been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Palin+%22under+god%22+founding+fathers&amp;sourceid=navclient-ff&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU225AU225&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mocked so widely around the web&lt;/a&gt;, they&#039;ve taken the post down!  Oh, what a terrible, terrible shame for the Schlaflyites that &lt;a href=&quot;http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:Lh8LX8KyM6sJ:eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html+2006+Gubernatorial+Candidate+Questionnaire+eagleforumalaska&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=8&amp;gl=au&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;googlecache&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigitogs/2834382572/sizes/o/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;screensave&lt;/a&gt; technology are so widespread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>feral sparrowhawk, good point.</p>
<p>News just in:  The Eagle Forum Alaska blog that published the 2006 questionnaire to Alaskan governors appears to be so unhappy that Palin&#8217;s answers have been <a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Palin+%22under+god%22+founding+fathers&#038;sourceid=navclient-ff&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU225AU225" rel="nofollow">mocked so widely around the web</a>, they&#8217;ve taken the post down!  Oh, what a terrible, terrible shame for the Schlaflyites that <a href="http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:Lh8LX8KyM6sJ:eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html+2006+Gubernatorial+Candidate+Questionnaire+eagleforumalaska&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=8&#038;gl=au" rel="nofollow">googlecache</a> and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigitogs/2834382572/sizes/o/" rel="nofollow">screensave</a> technology are so widespread.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it&#039;s always about you all isn&#039;t it. Even Obama has conceded his &lt;a href=&quot;http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=2e0a7836-b897-4155-864c-25e791ff0f50&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;community organising achieved nothing&lt;/a&gt;. (Let&#039;s not mention ACORN)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it&#8217;s always about you all isn&#8217;t it. Even Obama has conceded his <a href="http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=2e0a7836-b897-4155-864c-25e791ff0f50" rel="nofollow">community organising achieved nothing</a>. (Let&#8217;s not mention ACORN)</p>
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