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	<title>Comments on: The Poll Bludger&#039;s live blog of the WA count [continued from The Poll Bludger]</title>
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		<title>By: AndyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments coming form the Liberal Party now are interesting. For the last few decades they&#039;ve as good as ignored the Nationals, treating them as the dysfunctional cousins you don&#039;t admit to. Now the Libs are virtually demanding that the Nats have to put them into government, for old time&#039;s sake.

Barnett did well to get the Libs into the current position but he cannot claim the electorate had sent a clear message for a change of government. If the message had been clear, Barnett would be Premier. He isn&#039;t.

The message, as I read it, is that people are sick of the arrogance and complacency of the two major parties who take their supporters for granted, as the Libs are now doing with the Nats. More not-so-humble opinion in my own blog on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkingisreal.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Western Australian 2008 election.&lt;/a&gt;

Thanks for the coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments coming form the Liberal Party now are interesting. For the last few decades they&#8217;ve as good as ignored the Nationals, treating them as the dysfunctional cousins you don&#8217;t admit to. Now the Libs are virtually demanding that the Nats have to put them into government, for old time&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>Barnett did well to get the Libs into the current position but he cannot claim the electorate had sent a clear message for a change of government. If the message had been clear, Barnett would be Premier. He isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The message, as I read it, is that people are sick of the arrogance and complacency of the two major parties who take their supporters for granted, as the Libs are now doing with the Nats. More not-so-humble opinion in my own blog on the <a href="http://thinkingisreal.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Western Australian 2008 election.</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: sandstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a change of Polly leadership in the west to me ,, Guess no surprise to those many not committed free thinkers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a change of Polly leadership in the west to me ,, Guess no surprise to those many not committed free thinkers</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>36 Adrien &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/06/the-poll-bludgers-live-blog-of-the-wa-count-continued-from-the-poll-bludger/#comment-503394&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sep 7th, 2008 at 4:47 pm&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Liberal Party and the Labor Party are both ’statist’. In fact there isn’t a parliamentary party in this whole country that isn’t ’statist’. This country is statist. It began as a jail and ever since we’ve basically expected the govt to solve every problem there is.
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Like children.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Thats true. This country started off as a small over-crowded admin unit. And thats what its winding up as. SUch places invariably require fairly tight regulation to get by.

Everyone wants the govt to do their bidding. And since this AUS is a populist democracy the govt winds up doing everyones bidding, just like an over-indulgent parent.

There are distinct partisan differences in statist product differentiation.

The L/NP is more into warfare (eg military procurement) and &quot;wealthfare&quot; (eg tax loop-holes) statism. These goods are mostly delivered at the federal level.

Whilst the ALP is more into welfare (eg community services) and &quot;workfare&quot; (eg industrial awards) statism. These goods are mostly delivered at the state level.

Obviously the federally administered warfare and wealthfare states benefit the high-status ie Right-wing. So to the extent that these areas are politically important it will be of electoral benefit to the LN/P.

COnversely the state-administed welfare and workfare states tend to benefit the low-status ie Left-wing. So to the extent that these areas are politically important it will be of electoral benefit to the ALP.

Of course the feds can attempt to take over a state area, such as Work Choices. But that exception proves my rule as the LN/P probably lost office owing to the stupid politics of this move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>36 Adrien <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/06/the-poll-bludgers-live-blog-of-the-wa-count-continued-from-the-poll-bludger/#comment-503394" rel="nofollow">Sep 7th, 2008 at 4:47 pm</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>The Liberal Party and the Labor Party are both ’statist’. In fact there isn’t a parliamentary party in this whole country that isn’t ’statist’. This country is statist. It began as a jail and ever since we’ve basically expected the govt to solve every problem there is.<br />
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Like children.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Thats true. This country started off as a small over-crowded admin unit. And thats what its winding up as. SUch places invariably require fairly tight regulation to get by.</p>
<p>Everyone wants the govt to do their bidding. And since this AUS is a populist democracy the govt winds up doing everyones bidding, just like an over-indulgent parent.</p>
<p>There are distinct partisan differences in statist product differentiation.</p>
<p>The L/NP is more into warfare (eg military procurement) and &#8220;wealthfare&#8221; (eg tax loop-holes) statism. These goods are mostly delivered at the federal level.</p>
<p>Whilst the ALP is more into welfare (eg community services) and &#8220;workfare&#8221; (eg industrial awards) statism. These goods are mostly delivered at the state level.</p>
<p>Obviously the federally administered warfare and wealthfare states benefit the high-status ie Right-wing. So to the extent that these areas are politically important it will be of electoral benefit to the LN/P.</p>
<p>COnversely the state-administed welfare and workfare states tend to benefit the low-status ie Left-wing. So to the extent that these areas are politically important it will be of electoral benefit to the ALP.</p>
<p>Of course the feds can attempt to take over a state area, such as Work Choices. But that exception proves my rule as the LN/P probably lost office owing to the stupid politics of this move.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack -
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The Liberal Party and the Labor Party are both &#039;statist&#039;. In fact there isn&#039;t a parliamentary party in this whole country that isn&#039;t &#039;statist&#039;. This country is statist. It began as a jail and ever since we&#039;ve basically expected the govt to solve every problem there is.
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Like children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack -<br />
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The Liberal Party and the Labor Party are both &#8216;statist&#8217;. In fact there isn&#8217;t a parliamentary party in this whole country that isn&#8217;t &#8216;statist&#8217;. This country is statist. It began as a jail and ever since we&#8217;ve basically expected the govt to solve every problem there is.<br />
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Like children.</p>
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		<title>By: john Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>john Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Labour party needs not to be in power in WA, because the time has come for a good clean out.                                                              Any minister who was in the last ministry should resign from the parliament,the whole bloody lot of them.
A more utterly useless bunch I have yet to observe(thought I think the joke that will come to power with the Libs might surpass it),the union influence to has to either be removed or toned down,the CMFEU in WA are not regarded with any great affection,the Branches must be given more say,think I might go a bit further than just ex ministers I think if you have been in the Parliament for 12yrs you should retire,or at least face preselection or prove you are doing something to warrant keeping you there,to many time servers,also if your in parliament your wife should not be,or the other way round,it just looks plain greedy,also you should have a paid job not as a union Sec or some other job where its you scratch my back I will scratch yours,you should have a real job where you meet real people not a bunch of political wannabes.
Dont know if anyone agrees or disagrees, but after watching the farce that was the last Labour Govt in this backwoods state where it would be forever 1959 if a lot had there way,something drastic has to be done
Jack ALP cronyism and corruption,where were you for the entire Pertesen and Howard eras and for that matter Askin in NSW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Labour party needs not to be in power in WA, because the time has come for a good clean out.                                                              Any minister who was in the last ministry should resign from the parliament,the whole bloody lot of them.<br />
A more utterly useless bunch I have yet to observe(thought I think the joke that will come to power with the Libs might surpass it),the union influence to has to either be removed or toned down,the CMFEU in WA are not regarded with any great affection,the Branches must be given more say,think I might go a bit further than just ex ministers I think if you have been in the Parliament for 12yrs you should retire,or at least face preselection or prove you are doing something to warrant keeping you there,to many time servers,also if your in parliament your wife should not be,or the other way round,it just looks plain greedy,also you should have a paid job not as a union Sec or some other job where its you scratch my back I will scratch yours,you should have a real job where you meet real people not a bunch of political wannabes.<br />
Dont know if anyone agrees or disagrees, but after watching the farce that was the last Labour Govt in this backwoods state where it would be forever 1959 if a lot had there way,something drastic has to be done<br />
Jack ALP cronyism and corruption,where were you for the entire Pertesen and Howard eras and for that matter Askin in NSW.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One hopes that this massive swing and near-victory to the LP will put an end to the &quot;End of the Liberal Party&quot; meme nonsense that was circulating after the last federal election. Both on this site and Pr Q&#039;s.

With increasing affluence, urbanization and &quot;ethnicization&quot; the LP is always going to be the Natural Party of Opposition in state government. Community services such as health and education are superior goods which absorb a higher share of income as wealth grows.

They are also best delivered by political authorities. It is natural to have the ALP - a statist party - administer the expanding state apparatus.

So there will be a natural pro-ALP electoral bias in state elections. (Not in fed elections though, where fundamental ideological issues are addressed.)

But the inexorable statist tendency sets up the danger of ALP cronyism and corruption, most evident in NSW but also in WA (Brian Burke).

So the LP can always make a decent living off public dissastisfaction with ALP political dis-eases. It will come back sure as apples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One hopes that this massive swing and near-victory to the LP will put an end to the &#8220;End of the Liberal Party&#8221; meme nonsense that was circulating after the last federal election. Both on this site and Pr Q&#8217;s.</p>
<p>With increasing affluence, urbanization and &#8220;ethnicization&#8221; the LP is always going to be the Natural Party of Opposition in state government. Community services such as health and education are superior goods which absorb a higher share of income as wealth grows.</p>
<p>They are also best delivered by political authorities. It is natural to have the ALP &#8211; a statist party &#8211; administer the expanding state apparatus.</p>
<p>So there will be a natural pro-ALP electoral bias in state elections. (Not in fed elections though, where fundamental ideological issues are addressed.)</p>
<p>But the inexorable statist tendency sets up the danger of ALP cronyism and corruption, most evident in NSW but also in WA (Brian Burke).</p>
<p>So the LP can always make a decent living off public dissastisfaction with ALP political dis-eases. It will come back sure as apples.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Honnor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Honnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, what sort of electoral system is it where a rural vote counts for twice as much as an urban one,&quot;

An historical one to some extent. Currently in WA - where government forms - metro lower house electorates average 22,000 voters, rural/regional 19,000.

In the upper house there&#039;s still a 3-1 weighting towards regional representation but changing that will be difficult. There&#039;s not that many people living outside the metro area in WA and it&#039;s a very big state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, what sort of electoral system is it where a rural vote counts for twice as much as an urban one,&#8221;</p>
<p>An historical one to some extent. Currently in WA &#8211; where government forms &#8211; metro lower house electorates average 22,000 voters, rural/regional 19,000.</p>
<p>In the upper house there&#8217;s still a 3-1 weighting towards regional representation but changing that will be difficult. There&#8217;s not that many people living outside the metro area in WA and it&#8217;s a very big state.</p>
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		<title>By: Idiot/Savant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idiot/Savant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what sort of electoral system is it where a rural vote counts for twice as much as an urban one, and a party can receive 11.5% of the vote but no seats?

You people need proportional representation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what sort of electoral system is it where a rural vote counts for twice as much as an urban one, and a party can receive 11.5% of the vote but no seats?</p>
<p>You people need proportional representation.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that info Robert. Talk about a cliffhanger of an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that info Robert. Talk about a cliffhanger of an election.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Does anyone know the likely leaning of the independents?&lt;/em&gt;

Alfred Cove - Janet Woollard - Liberal
First elected on a &quot;Liberals for Forests&quot; ticket.

Churchlands - Liz Constable - Liberal
Ran as an independent due to internal Liberal party issues (albeit many years ago).

Kalgoorlie - John Bowler - Labor
A Labor MP who was kicked out for dealings with Brian Burke, but continued to vote with the Government.

Kwinana - Carol Adams - Labor
Was a party member but ran when she missed out on preselection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Does anyone know the likely leaning of the independents?</em></p>
<p>Alfred Cove &#8211; Janet Woollard &#8211; Liberal<br />
First elected on a &#8220;Liberals for Forests&#8221; ticket.</p>
<p>Churchlands &#8211; Liz Constable &#8211; Liberal<br />
Ran as an independent due to internal Liberal party issues (albeit many years ago).</p>
<p>Kalgoorlie &#8211; John Bowler &#8211; Labor<br />
A Labor MP who was kicked out for dealings with Brian Burke, but continued to vote with the Government.</p>
<p>Kwinana &#8211; Carol Adams &#8211; Labor<br />
Was a party member but ran when she missed out on preselection.</p>
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