Confirmation here. The margin was apparently 45-41.
Update [by Kim]: I’ve put up a post with some analysis of what Turnbull needs to do here.
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So… it will be Captain Moneybags steering the Titanic.
Interesting viewing ahead.
Bishop is still deputy leader. I was sorta hoping Abbott would get a run.
Hopefully Labor will be able to get a sane ETS through parliament before Turnbull hits the iceberg.
Two words Malcolm: David Cameron
This resolves nothing. The Right will be out to get Turnbull from the get go.
What Spiros said, in part for the reason Fmark suggested.
Well, the Nelson Memoirs should make a good read! Unlike those of yesterday’s man. He must be spewin’…
Yes, mustn’t he be - in fact, perhaps it was Pete who decorated the footpath outside the train station this morning. I erroneously attributed it to a pensioner who had overindulged in jam’n'beans.
Goodbye Brendan, and keep on truckin’.
Now Rudd cpould be in real trouble. Emo Man was never a contender. But this bloke … The ptoblem is Minchin and the other Howardistas will nove as quickly as possible to bring ihim down one way or another. Next fed. election - Hockey v. Rudd. Rhe election of the faceless men.
So who will be shadow Treasurer, I wonder?
Yeah, I’m sort of with the consensus here. It could be interesting, but we have been disapointed before. Love the gag though Laura.
PinkyOz
“So who will be shadow Treasurer, I wonder?”
Sophie Mirabella.
Bronwyn Bishop!
Burnsie Turnbull has the leadership as long as he wants it. The dearth of talent on the Liberal side is very deep. The Howardistas are finished ; all Rudd needs is the drip poison feed of what actually went on in the Howard years.Last nights Four Corners was an excellent example.( Unfortunately they mixed up the Cornelia Rau case with general detainees. Rau deserved a program dedicated to her case.)
Robb
Let’s see which direction Turnbull jumps. It’s not beyond him, I suspect, to conciliate the hard right and the Howardistas. But that would be false pragmatism because it might protect his leadership but won’t enable him to move the show on.
It’s good news, really, in a place without choice. The Libs were all over the shop. We can expect serious strength, commitment and intelligence from Turnbull, and Rudd will also be be the better for it. But it comes with some concerns: the Howard factor/inlfuence in the party isn’t dead yet by any means, one hopes Turnbull can dig it out and end that, but the likelihood of it going underground as corrosive acid is also strong.
Politicking will make or break Turnbull - if he slips into full blown pollie mode he may find himself disconnected from too many punters. For my bobs, he has to do this in full-blown Malcolm mode - give them the full force of his skills, give his public persona humour and life (bit by bit over time) - trying to be too many things to too many people, outside of his can-do and often crash-bang, might attract too much criticism and backfire as being a sellout pollie and thereby picking up on the existing out-of-touch theme.
We do need strong opposition and in current reality this is a good thing for oz.
But that out-of-touch Turnbull and LNP thing in combo is the problem. If anything, a failed Turnbull leadership may flush that born-to-rule rubbish out of the system.
And we’ll just have to get used to the word “thahrsand”.
Newsflash, Mal slams small business people shock: “you can’t achieve anything as a sole operator.”
Did anyone think Turnbull’s speech was a bit forced? I thought Julie Bishop’s comments were much better. That said Turnbull answered the questions very well and very forcefully, I think if he continues in that way people will at least pay attention.
It’s worth asking how much Turnbull has learned from his experience as head of the Australian Republican Movement and its leadership of the ruinous 1999 referendum campaign. That wasn’t exactly a vintage performance in terms of persuading, inspiring and connecting with the punters and their concerns.
Update [by Kim]: I’ve put up a post with some analysis of what Turnbull needs to do here.
Abbot swapped sides. He’s chruning another rival into an unwinnable job, so by the time the coalition is electable again, all other leadership aspirants will be tainted.
At least, that’s the fun explanation
Seat, meet warmer.
Well I’m to the ‘left’ of the labor party so I don’t think a Mal Turnbull led party will ever get my vote, but I think this is a very good thing and that he appears highly competent, intelligent and a hard worker. Prone to dismissive arrogant smugness, and sometimes can’t seem to avoid being too much the politician, but an effective opposition that actually talks about rational policy can surely only be welcomed?
jo @ 15, yep that’s what I’m thinking too. He’s played a good game while all this nonsense was going on. “Under the radar” as they say in BB.
Plus you get the NSW + Victorian combo.
And with any luck, an actually liberal Liberal party might get us some progressive policies from the Government
*hoping*
Viscount Turnbull takes the helm. Avast ye landlubbers!! “Jolly Roger” hauled down and placed in safekeeping. Four cases of the best Bollie brought out for celebratory quaffing. We do not, Sir, hold to a “Messiah complex”; we are simple folk, rather than complex.
Five cases baked beans hurled overboard with gusto. Two dozen bottles of jam to be sold at next port of call. Henceforth finest Sevilla marmalades and quince pastes to be served. Any silver service not sold off by previous quartermaster (now scribbler) to be brought out and polished up.
We sail on, gentlemen. Strange seas and stranger times but we needs must all put on brave faces and reassure ourselves that the tide runs well: after all, how embarrassing had the vote been 44:42, or quelle horreur 43:43 !!
Ahoy, bright future……
So, only two MPs switched sides? Anyway, time for Cossie to move on!!
Anyway - good news is that puts the Republic back on the agenda (and its a neat little wedge for Rudd to wheel out too). Its time to set Abbott and Mirabella et al against their leader - dont you think?
“only two MPs switched sides?”
Not necessarily. That’s the net figure. There could have been several who went from one to the other. Plus there are a bunch of the new Liberal senators minus the ones who left on June 30.
Not following you, Craig Mc; if you didn’t mean that Nelson was warming the seat for Turnbull then you must mean that Turnbull is warming the seat for Abbott, but surely even the Libs know they can’t win with him in charge. Not unless they take the vote away from women again, anyway.
The quick brown
malcolmfox jumped over the lazyliberalsdog.Now is the time for all all good
malcolmsmen to come to the aid of…THE
partyREPUBLIC!!!I mean, how can he squib, the man who said John Howard broke this country’s heart over the last time round’s sabotage. (That was a bit emo of him, what)
Now would be a very good time for Australians to engage in the nation defining process that becoming a republic. Certainly there are a few future defining national scale issues staring us in our collective face to focus our mind and mutual good will: the murray darling, a collapsed health and aged care system, the fact we only have a couple of viable export industries of any scale, all of which are on shaky ground, whether we want to continue to be the main carbon drug pushers of the planetary block, and the whole tax and services equity balance, for starters.
And this time round we have the (2.0) tools so everyone interested can help develop and attenuate positions until we get to those ones that define and enable us as a forward looking, sustainable nation.
And the comic miracle of democracy has finally popped up with just the
legends in their own lunchtimemen of destiny in the positions of power to help get us there us there.Malcolm, if you are reading this, now’s your chance to really go down in history, to pull the sword from the stone. There’ll be a major quid in it for ya I’m sure.
If I was Rudd I’d certainly revive the Republican issue. Keating wedged the Libs well with it, until Howard removed it. But with a republican leader struggling with a dominant party right the wedge should split them all the way through.
Of course he shouldn’t to be too blatant about it - wedges should be inserted gradually. Start with some border skirmishes in the culture wars (Both Keating and Howard used these to mask narrower political maneouvres). Beat the nationalist drum - “a vision of what it is to be Australian” - and only later morph it towards a concrete constitutional proposal. The fighting should be at its height during the next election.
In fact you could aim to have the referendum on the ballot then. The beauty of this is that it might get voted down and the wedge will be available for reuse again after a decent interval. Like abortion for the US right, it’ll be the gift that keeps on giving (as a BTW, that’s why all those Republican judges don’t overturn Roe vs Wade).
Isn’t there already a promise to have a plebiscite or something on the Republic at the next election? It was the Beazer’s policy and I don’t think Rudd changed it, even if it was de-emphasised (or held in reserve).
Great minds think alike:
“PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd has called on newly appointed Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull to throw his support behind the push to make Australia a republic.
I also say to Mr Turnbull, I look forward to working with him on a bipartisan basis on as many national challenges as possible. One of those national challenges for the future of Australia will be our move towards a republic. “Mr Turnbull has long been a supporter of the republic, and we know for a fact that we are only going to achieve that sort of change in Australia on a bipartisan basis.”
Waiting for Mal’s reply.
ehehehe. Im sure Rudd enjoyed that one. It really will be a nice effective little wedgie all the way to 2010.
As ye reap, so shall ye sow!
So now we all love wedge politics do we? Its all fun and games as long as we are the ones doing the kicking?
I for one think that it is poor (or immature) politics and does nothing for sorting out the problems that need to be dealt with. If any of the left leaning types still think that Rudd is some kind of political revelation then let them declare it now so that we can at least start arguing about what games they are all playing. I say this because there was a lot of bemaoning the state of affairs that politics had become, yet now it seems that those same people can’t get enough of the same old (baby) games, meaning we will still be playing them until some smarter boy (not girl) comes along and plays it better (will it be Mal?)
Shorter Roger: we can dish it out, but can’t take it.
Well, perhaps thats unfair
And if you can point to contemproary comments of yours condemning Howard’s wedgery, I shall gladly retract.
I would note one key difference: people are unlikely to languish in detention camps as a result of any Republic wedgie.
Yes fair point, the use (abuse) of wedgies (whether in the school yard or the national political stage) is to be condemned by whoever does them and JWH’s versions seem to be to be nastier than those thus far practised by KR Darling Downs.
However the substantive point remains; if politics is only a game of who can pull the undergarments of their opponents up their cracks then lets not pretend it is anything more. Events like todays, and the responses of people to them seem to suggest that is all we want and expect. It also suggests that we think it is grand fun when we aren’t the recipients so don’t need to question it when it is not happening to us (the classic stander by scenario). I am, by the way, not that surprised that lots of people who would previously have condemned wedge politics as “playing politics” are quiet on this kind of thing or supportive of it- after being on the receiving end for so long there would be a lot of people who want to get their own back and don’t go in for such things as principles (having said that principles are of course constantly renegotiable)
Yep, as long as we all frankly acknowledge exactly who introduced the evil arts of wedgery to OZ politics - I think its fair to reflect critically on the practice.
Me, I just straight up support the Republic. So do Kev and Mal - at last count. If that policy focus ends up wedging the Libs because some old guard curtsey-mongers like Abbott or Sophie still have currency, well thats just a bonus.
And one could hardly argue they didn’t deserve it!
I hope that Malcolm insists on a policy commitment from his front bench to support the Rebublic. If that keeps Mirabella off the Opposition front bench then excellent, and if Abbott too then that’s an added bonus.