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		<title>By: GregM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that Malcolm insists on a policy commitment from his front bench to support the Rebublic. If that keeps Mirabella off the Opposition front bench then excellent, and if Abbott too then that&#039;s an added bonus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that Malcolm insists on a policy commitment from his front bench to support the Rebublic. If that keeps Mirabella off the Opposition front bench then excellent, and if Abbott too then that&#8217;s an added bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/16/its-turnbull/#comment-216612</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, as long as we all frankly acknowledge exactly who introduced the evil arts of wedgery to OZ politics - I think its fair to reflect critically on the practice.

Me, I just straight up support the Republic. So do Kev and Mal  - at last count. If that policy focus ends up wedging the Libs because some old guard curtsey-mongers like Abbott or Sophie still have currency, well thats just a bonus. :)

And one could hardly argue they didn&#039;t deserve it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, as long as we all frankly acknowledge exactly who introduced the evil arts of wedgery to OZ politics &#8211; I think its fair to reflect critically on the practice.</p>
<p>Me, I just straight up support the Republic. So do Kev and Mal  &#8211; at last count. If that policy focus ends up wedging the Libs because some old guard curtsey-mongers like Abbott or Sophie still have currency, well thats just a bonus. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And one could hardly argue they didn&#8217;t deserve it!</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes fair point, the use (abuse) of wedgies (whether in the school yard or the national political stage) is to be condemned by whoever does them and JWH&#039;s versions seem to be to be nastier than those thus far practised by KR Darling Downs.

However the substantive point remains; if politics is only a game of who can pull the undergarments of their opponents up their cracks then lets not pretend it is anything more. Events like todays, and the responses of people to them seem to suggest that is all we want and expect. It also suggests that we think it is grand fun when we aren&#039;t the recipients so don&#039;t need to question it when it is not happening to us (the classic stander by scenario). I am, by the way, not that surprised that lots of people who would previously have condemned wedge politics as &quot;playing politics&quot; are quiet on this kind of thing or supportive of it- after being on the receiving end for so long there would be a lot of people who want to get their own back and don&#039;t go in for such things as principles (having said that principles are of course constantly renegotiable)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes fair point, the use (abuse) of wedgies (whether in the school yard or the national political stage) is to be condemned by whoever does them and JWH&#8217;s versions seem to be to be nastier than those thus far practised by KR Darling Downs.</p>
<p>However the substantive point remains; if politics is only a game of who can pull the undergarments of their opponents up their cracks then lets not pretend it is anything more. Events like todays, and the responses of people to them seem to suggest that is all we want and expect. It also suggests that we think it is grand fun when we aren&#8217;t the recipients so don&#8217;t need to question it when it is not happening to us (the classic stander by scenario). I am, by the way, not that surprised that lots of people who would previously have condemned wedge politics as &#8220;playing politics&#8221; are quiet on this kind of thing or supportive of it- after being on the receiving end for so long there would be a lot of people who want to get their own back and don&#8217;t go in for such things as principles (having said that principles are of course constantly renegotiable)</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/16/its-turnbull/#comment-216610</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Roger: we can dish it out, but can&#039;t take it.

Well, perhaps thats unfair :) And if you can point to contemproary comments of yours condemning Howard&#039;s wedgery, I shall gladly retract.

I would note one key difference: people are unlikely to languish in detention camps as a result of any Republic wedgie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Roger: we can dish it out, but can&#8217;t take it.</p>
<p>Well, perhaps thats unfair <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And if you can point to contemproary comments of yours condemning Howard&#8217;s wedgery, I shall gladly retract.</p>
<p>I would note one key difference: people are unlikely to languish in detention camps as a result of any Republic wedgie.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/16/its-turnbull/#comment-216609</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now we all love wedge politics do we? Its all fun and games as long as we are the ones doing the kicking?

I for one think that it is poor (or immature) politics and does nothing for sorting out the problems that need to be dealt with. If any of the left leaning types still think that Rudd is some kind of political revelation then let them declare it now so that we can at least start arguing about what games they are all playing. I say this because there was a lot of bemaoning the state of affairs that politics had become, yet now it seems that those same people can&#039;t get enough of the same old (baby) games, meaning we will still be playing them until some smarter boy (not girl) comes along and plays it better (will it be Mal?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now we all love wedge politics do we? Its all fun and games as long as we are the ones doing the kicking?</p>
<p>I for one think that it is poor (or immature) politics and does nothing for sorting out the problems that need to be dealt with. If any of the left leaning types still think that Rudd is some kind of political revelation then let them declare it now so that we can at least start arguing about what games they are all playing. I say this because there was a lot of bemaoning the state of affairs that politics had become, yet now it seems that those same people can&#8217;t get enough of the same old (baby) games, meaning we will still be playing them until some smarter boy (not girl) comes along and plays it better (will it be Mal?)</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/16/its-turnbull/#comment-216608</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ehehehe. Im sure Rudd enjoyed that one. It really will be a nice effective little wedgie all the way to 2010.

As ye reap, so shall ye sow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ehehehe. Im sure Rudd enjoyed that one. It really will be a nice effective little wedgie all the way to 2010.</p>
<p>As ye reap, so shall ye sow!</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great minds think alike:

&quot;PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd has called on newly appointed Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull to throw his support behind the push to make Australia a republic.
I also say to Mr Turnbull, I look forward to working with him on a bipartisan basis on as many national challenges as possible. One of those national challenges for the future of Australia will be our move towards a republic. &quot;Mr Turnbull has long been a supporter of the republic, and we know for a fact that we are only going to achieve that sort of change in Australia on a bipartisan basis.&quot;

Waiting for Mal&#039;s reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great minds think alike:</p>
<p>&#8220;PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd has called on newly appointed Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull to throw his support behind the push to make Australia a republic.<br />
I also say to Mr Turnbull, I look forward to working with him on a bipartisan basis on as many national challenges as possible. One of those national challenges for the future of Australia will be our move towards a republic. &#8220;Mr Turnbull has long been a supporter of the republic, and we know for a fact that we are only going to achieve that sort of change in Australia on a bipartisan basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Waiting for Mal&#8217;s reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t there already a promise to have a plebiscite or something on the Republic at the next election? It was the Beazer&#039;s policy and I don&#039;t think Rudd changed it, even if it was de-emphasised (or held in reserve).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t there already a promise to have a plebiscite or something on the Republic at the next election? It was the Beazer&#8217;s policy and I don&#8217;t think Rudd changed it, even if it was de-emphasised (or held in reserve).</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
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		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was Rudd I&#039;d certainly revive the Republican issue.  Keating wedged the Libs well with it, until Howard removed it.  But with a republican leader struggling with a dominant party right the wedge should split them all the way through.

Of course he shouldn&#039;t to be too blatant about it - wedges should be inserted gradually. Start with some border skirmishes in the culture wars (Both Keating and Howard used these to mask narrower political maneouvres). Beat the nationalist drum - &quot;a vision of what it is to be Australian&quot; - and only later morph it towards a concrete constitutional proposal.  The fighting should be at its height during the next election.

In fact you could aim to have the referendum on the ballot then.  The beauty of this is that it might get voted down and the wedge will be available for reuse again after a decent interval.  Like abortion for the US right, it&#039;ll be the gift that keeps on giving (as a BTW, that&#039;s why all those Republican judges don&#039;t overturn Roe vs Wade).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was Rudd I&#8217;d certainly revive the Republican issue.  Keating wedged the Libs well with it, until Howard removed it.  But with a republican leader struggling with a dominant party right the wedge should split them all the way through.</p>
<p>Of course he shouldn&#8217;t to be too blatant about it &#8211; wedges should be inserted gradually. Start with some border skirmishes in the culture wars (Both Keating and Howard used these to mask narrower political maneouvres). Beat the nationalist drum &#8211; &#8220;a vision of what it is to be Australian&#8221; &#8211; and only later morph it towards a concrete constitutional proposal.  The fighting should be at its height during the next election.</p>
<p>In fact you could aim to have the referendum on the ballot then.  The beauty of this is that it might get voted down and the wedge will be available for reuse again after a decent interval.  Like abortion for the US right, it&#8217;ll be the gift that keeps on giving (as a BTW, that&#8217;s why all those Republican judges don&#8217;t overturn Roe vs Wade).</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quick brown &lt;strike&gt;malcolm&lt;/strike&gt; fox jumped over the lazy &lt;strike&gt;liberals&lt;/strike&gt; dog.
Now is the time for all all good &lt;strike&gt;malcolms&lt;/strike&gt; men to come to the aid of
...THE &lt;strike&gt;party&lt;/strike&gt; REPUBLIC!!!

I mean, how can he squib, the man who said John Howard broke this country&#039;s heart over the last time round&#039;s sabotage. (That was a bit emo of him, what)

Now would be a very good time for Australians to engage in the nation defining process that becoming a republic. Certainly there are a few future defining national scale issues staring us in our collective face to focus our mind and mutual good will: the murray darling, a collapsed health and aged care system, the fact we only have a couple of viable export industries of any scale, all of which are on shaky ground, whether we want to continue to be the main carbon drug pushers of the planetary block, and the whole tax and services equity balance, for starters.

And this time round we have the (2.0) tools so everyone interested can help develop and attenuate positions until we get to those ones that define and enable us as a forward looking, sustainable nation.

And the comic miracle of democracy has finally popped up with just the &lt;strike&gt; legends in their own lunchtime &lt;/strike&gt; men of destiny in the positions of power to help get us there us there.

Malcolm, if you are reading this, now&#039;s your chance to really go down in history, to pull the sword from the stone. There&#039;ll be a major quid in it for ya I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quick brown <strike>malcolm</strike> fox jumped over the lazy <strike>liberals</strike> dog.<br />
Now is the time for all all good <strike>malcolms</strike> men to come to the aid of<br />
&#8230;THE <strike>party</strike> REPUBLIC!!!</p>
<p>I mean, how can he squib, the man who said John Howard broke this country&#8217;s heart over the last time round&#8217;s sabotage. (That was a bit emo of him, what)</p>
<p>Now would be a very good time for Australians to engage in the nation defining process that becoming a republic. Certainly there are a few future defining national scale issues staring us in our collective face to focus our mind and mutual good will: the murray darling, a collapsed health and aged care system, the fact we only have a couple of viable export industries of any scale, all of which are on shaky ground, whether we want to continue to be the main carbon drug pushers of the planetary block, and the whole tax and services equity balance, for starters.</p>
<p>And this time round we have the (2.0) tools so everyone interested can help develop and attenuate positions until we get to those ones that define and enable us as a forward looking, sustainable nation.</p>
<p>And the comic miracle of democracy has finally popped up with just the <strike> legends in their own lunchtime </strike> men of destiny in the positions of power to help get us there us there.</p>
<p>Malcolm, if you are reading this, now&#8217;s your chance to really go down in history, to pull the sword from the stone. There&#8217;ll be a major quid in it for ya I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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