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	<title>Comments on: Winners and losers in Turnbull&#039;s shadow cabinet</title>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/22/winners-and-losers-in-turnbulls-shadow-cabinet/#comment-217690</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark [43]:

You&#039;ve hit on a chronic and very serious defect in both sides of government in Australia: they&#039;re overstuffed with lawyers.

Of course it is good to have accomplished lawyers contribute their experience to the making of legislation .... but do we need so many lawyers in our parliaments  that other groups and classes are are d*mned-near excluded and we end up with homogeneous parliaments that come up with homogenous laws?

The last things we need, if we are to survive this Depression and its inevitable aftermath, are homogenous parliaments chock-a-block full of those afflicted with group-think.

Turnbull&#039;s uninspired shadow ministry line-up shows it will just be more of the same.   Hardly what would inspire our confidence in Turnbull as an alternative Prime Minister in this time of perilous crises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark [43]:</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve hit on a chronic and very serious defect in both sides of government in Australia: they&#8217;re overstuffed with lawyers.</p>
<p>Of course it is good to have accomplished lawyers contribute their experience to the making of legislation &#8230;. but do we need so many lawyers in our parliaments  that other groups and classes are are d*mned-near excluded and we end up with homogeneous parliaments that come up with homogenous laws?</p>
<p>The last things we need, if we are to survive this Depression and its inevitable aftermath, are homogenous parliaments chock-a-block full of those afflicted with group-think.</p>
<p>Turnbull&#8217;s uninspired shadow ministry line-up shows it will just be more of the same.   Hardly what would inspire our confidence in Turnbull as an alternative Prime Minister in this time of perilous crises.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/22/winners-and-losers-in-turnbulls-shadow-cabinet/#comment-217689</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny [39]:

So that&#039;s what the politicians, senior public servants and **** Court judges get up to when they know we&#039;re not looking.  I&#039;ve always wondered.  :-)

No. I was thinking of the real decision-makers, the ones who change our lives and our livlihood over a bowl of spicy gongbaojiding and a plate of the finest jiaozi ever made.

Everyone:

I would like to remind you that both Costello and Nelson are still in this Parliament.   As the saying goes &quot;The Devil finds work for idle hands&quot;.

Failing to give top priority to attending skilfully and appropriately to both men - and especially to both their aspirations and their potential - will eventually finish off Turnbull, not today or tomorrow but perhaps even before the Liberal Party itself has collapsed in a heap.  It&#039;s too late now for him to do anything about his grave omission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny [39]:</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s what the politicians, senior public servants and **** Court judges get up to when they know we&#8217;re not looking.  I&#8217;ve always wondered.  <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>No. I was thinking of the real decision-makers, the ones who change our lives and our livlihood over a bowl of spicy gongbaojiding and a plate of the finest jiaozi ever made.</p>
<p>Everyone:</p>
<p>I would like to remind you that both Costello and Nelson are still in this Parliament.   As the saying goes &#8220;The Devil finds work for idle hands&#8221;.</p>
<p>Failing to give top priority to attending skilfully and appropriately to both men &#8211; and especially to both their aspirations and their potential &#8211; will eventually finish off Turnbull, not today or tomorrow but perhaps even before the Liberal Party itself has collapsed in a heap.  It&#8217;s too late now for him to do anything about his grave omission.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, Adrien, but Abbott was one of Turnbull’s biggest boosters - or Nelson’s biggest underminers if you want to put it that way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Methinks he would be leader sometime. He suffers from the delusion that Howard&#039;s one time popularity had something to do with his reactionary sexism when all the time it was his reactionary racism that was the key. Anyway such a fellow&#039;s akin to badly secured artillery equipment. Best to let him roll around down in the pits with the rest of the plebs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, Adrien, but Abbott was one of Turnbull’s biggest boosters &#8211; or Nelson’s biggest underminers if you want to put it that way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Methinks he would be leader sometime. He suffers from the delusion that Howard&#8217;s one time popularity had something to do with his reactionary sexism when all the time it was his reactionary racism that was the key. Anyway such a fellow&#8217;s akin to badly secured artillery equipment. Best to let him roll around down in the pits with the rest of the plebs.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyn -

&lt;blockquote&gt;Gold Coast dude/arts.
Arts/Gold Coast dude.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Go and have another latte. You&#039;re so out of touch with the salted Earth of this country. The Gold Coast is one big work of Art. It&#039;s a 3D version of &lt;i&gt;The Jetsons&lt;/i&gt;.  It&#039;s of a place a 1000 kilometres closer to equator than they are called: Witeloafer City.
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Drop acid sometime and go for a walk &#039;round Surfers: hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyn -</p>
<blockquote><p>Gold Coast dude/arts.<br />
Arts/Gold Coast dude.</p></blockquote>
<p>Go and have another latte. You&#8217;re so out of touch with the salted Earth of this country. The Gold Coast is one big work of Art. It&#8217;s a 3D version of <i>The Jetsons</i>.  It&#8217;s of a place a 1000 kilometres closer to equator than they are called: Witeloafer City.<br />
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Drop acid sometime and go for a walk &#8217;round Surfers: hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bishop, Hockey, Dutton, Pyne, Robb, Keenan, Ciobo, Ronaldson. All these persons have been successful in their lives and they know what management is about&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With the exception of Dutton (cop) and Robb (economist/interest group boss), all the rest have made careers as political hacks with the obligatory stint as a lawyer, haven&#039;t they? I don&#039;t know about the last three. They&#039;re rather obscure. Hiding their lights under a bushel no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bishop, Hockey, Dutton, Pyne, Robb, Keenan, Ciobo, Ronaldson. All these persons have been successful in their lives and they know what management is about</p></blockquote>
<p>With the exception of Dutton (cop) and Robb (economist/interest group boss), all the rest have made careers as political hacks with the obligatory stint as a lawyer, haven&#8217;t they? I don&#8217;t know about the last three. They&#8217;re rather obscure. Hiding their lights under a bushel no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Give me a break.&quot;

What did you have in mind, if you&#039;ll pardon the expression ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give me a break.&#8221;</p>
<p>What did you have in mind, if you&#8217;ll pardon the expression ?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is indeed ebormous talent on the Opposition front-bench - Like a shadow treasurer who doesn&#039;t know the official interest rate. Absolutely enormous talent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is indeed ebormous talent on the Opposition front-bench &#8211; Like a shadow treasurer who doesn&#8217;t know the official interest rate. Absolutely enormous talent!</p>
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		<title>By: jamo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why cant anyone give credit where it is due. There is enormous talent on the front bench. Bishop, Hockey, Dutton, Pyne, Robb, Keenan, Ciobo, Ronaldson. All these persons have been successful in their lives and they know what management is about. And of course the ALP is full of talent isnt it. Thats why they&#039;ve got Albanese, Carr and Conroy as senior ministers. They are useless and what makes it even more ridiculous is you have got someone with a doctarate in economics (Craig Emerson) who can only make it into the outer ministry. Give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why cant anyone give credit where it is due. There is enormous talent on the front bench. Bishop, Hockey, Dutton, Pyne, Robb, Keenan, Ciobo, Ronaldson. All these persons have been successful in their lives and they know what management is about. And of course the ALP is full of talent isnt it. Thats why they&#8217;ve got Albanese, Carr and Conroy as senior ministers. They are useless and what makes it even more ridiculous is you have got someone with a doctarate in economics (Craig Emerson) who can only make it into the outer ministry. Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham: &quot;the chair-shuffling ... may be a petty distraction&quot;...
I&#039;ve just always assumed that somewhere in Canberra is a big, secret, non-descript, windowless building exactly like Scrooge McDuck&#039;s Money Bin, full of gold and silver and rubies and all manner of treasure, and that is the actuality of the superannuation funds for our parlimentarians and the senior service level bureaucrats, and every day after they&#039;ve put in another hard slog of pretending, they meet up to frolic in it, just like in the cartoon.
All else is nod-is-good-as-winking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham: &#8220;the chair-shuffling &#8230; may be a petty distraction&#8221;&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;ve just always assumed that somewhere in Canberra is a big, secret, non-descript, windowless building exactly like Scrooge McDuck&#8217;s Money Bin, full of gold and silver and rubies and all manner of treasure, and that is the actuality of the superannuation funds for our parlimentarians and the senior service level bureaucrats, and every day after they&#8217;ve put in another hard slog of pretending, they meet up to frolic in it, just like in the cartoon.<br />
All else is nod-is-good-as-winking.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for not telegraphing it better, but my #16 was a gag. They all look like losers to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for not telegraphing it better, but my #16 was a gag. They all look like losers to me.</p>
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