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17 responses to “The elephant in the room (or on Wall Street)”

  1. John Ryan

    How about Perth as the centre of Global finance,at least it might make it interesting place to live,and it will give the pensioners friend Sattler something to really complain about

  2. adrian

    Great post, Kim, which really gets to the heart of the matter.
    If you’ve ever been to Dubai, you can see that they’re ready, willing and able.

  3. Peter Wood

    I have heard stories about Dubai — there is a shopping mall that contains a ski field, made from artificial snow…

  4. Razor

    Dubai doesn’t want to be the Financial Centre – they want to be the play ground for those who work in the Financial Centre.

    And those that work in the financial capitals and their families generally wouldn’t want to live in Dubai – last and only time I was there it was 52 degrees Centrigrade and oppresive humidty plus a dust storm. Hardly Conneticut or Cowes. I have heard it is lovely in the cooler months.

    Just because a bank is foriegn owned, or part there of, doesn’t mean it moes an hence the financial centre moves. BankWest is owned by the Scots and yet I haven’t seen too many West Aussies moving to Inverness recently.

  5. DeeCee

    In today’s “Newshour with Jim Lehrer” at least one commentator mentioned E Asian purchases of large slabs of financial institutions (20% of Goldman Sachs) as part of his position that the market caused the problem, so the market should solve it, and seemed to see no problem with partial Asian buy-outs. I did read earlier in the week (UK online news – ?Guardian) of Saudi interest (for a while) in Lehman Bros and UK’s HOBS.

    The possibility of FBI investigation was raised on Brisbane’s Channel 10 5.00pm news, especially in regard to Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae & AIG, as it has by Huffington Post’s <FBI Investigating Companies At Heart Of Wall St Crisis

    Another HuffPost’s article on the Senate’s Banking Committee’s response to Bush’s latest bail-out asks Gut Check Time: Will Congress Stand up to Wall Street? It’s a good article – with good “quotable quotes”, like Most Americans would just as soon the Masters of the Universe were allowed to sink in their own folly. They had the party; let them clean up the mess. and Banks and investment houses carry weapons of financial mass destruction.

    Quotable quote seemed to be “flavour of the day”. Nancy Pelosi, in a “carnival is over” type of response, claimed it was the end of “Privatising the gain and nationalising the risk”.

    Seems Congress is not prepared to be pressured into handing Bush a blank check before Congress is due to finish before the Election by the end of the week.

  6. onimod

    These 20% stakes are hilarious – it’s the battle for second place, knowing that the top dog is on his deathbed.
    Buy too much and you might resurrect the old bastard though…but at the same time you don’t want your competitors (Shanghai, Dubai, Tokyo) to be too far ahead when the jump to light speed actually happens.

    Anyone think that someone foresaw this coming and though Iraq was the only way out?

  7. Down and Out of Sài Gòn

    And why am I not surprised that this is the “most read” article at the Times?
    CEO murdered by mob of sacked Indian workers

  8. Ozymandias

    Someone once said the Japanese don’t belive WWII really ended -they’re still fighting it, but by economic means now. Maybe the Sheiks will adopt a similar logic an make a pre-emptive strike on US military-industrial interests? To what degree are US military contractors quarantined/inocculated against foreign buyouts? Damned interesting times we are codemned to live in!

  9. Down and Out of Sài Gòn
  10. Carl

    Make no mistake, this is just as much about geopolitics as finance.

    Couldn’t agree more, but do you think anyone in our ‘free’ media dare discuss it?

  11. onimod

    Carl
    First, they’d have to think….bzzz;
    then, they’d have to understand our position in the world…bzzz;
    and then they’d have to have access to sources to back up their thinking…bzzzz.

    Geopolitics to an MSM reporter means us vs them, and that’s about as complex as you’re going to get.

  12. Jennifer

    I agree with Razor, Dubai isn’t ready. If you look at the stats (http://www.world-exchanges.org/WFE/home.asp?menu=395), no stock exchange comes close to the two US exchanges in turnover – Nasdaq and NYSE. London, Euronext and the Deutsche Borse (plus Shanghai and Tokyo) can be mentioned in the same room. While stockmarket turnover is a weak measure of the effectiveness of a financial centre, it’s an important one. Not sure why you say “London isn’t interested”, but London is really the only alternative as a financial centre (as opposed to shareholder of banks).

    Asia will certainly own more, going forward. And it is clear from the stats that I quote above, that Asia (east asia, not the middle east) is increasingly a real counterweight to Europe. But as a financial centre, the US (and particularly NY) still is miles ahead of everyone else.

  13. Kim

    Jennifer, I think all the stats are somewhat out of date – having said that, it may not be Dubai.

    Note that what you’re attributing to me is not what I wrote but what I’m quoting.

    There was a bit of a stir in the US earlier this year when Fakeed Zakaria wrote a book about declining US power and the shift to Asia. That’s been a continuing theme in America for about two decades – it was one thing Paul Kennedy was raising in the late 80s and it also kinda contributed to doing George H. W. Bush in.

    The US has been at the mercy of Asian sovereign wealth funds for some time – someone has had to fund the enormous deficits. And prop up the dollar via buying US Treasury bonds. This is the belated fightback. It won’t work, for all sorts of reasons…

  14. Bingo Bango Boingo

    I don’t know about ‘at the mercy’ of Asian sovereign wealth funds, Kim. Let’s take the classic example: China. China has been willing to throw its savings at the US government because, as you suggest, it keeps the dollar higher and therefore underwrites vast volumes of Chinese exports. A significant contraction in US demand for Chinese manufactures would be pretty catastrophic for the regime. Sure the Chinese could smash the dollar if they wanted to, but then all that US Treasury paper wouldn’t look so good on the balance sheet, would it? So it’s a little more symbiotic than you’re suggesting.

    BBB

  15. Kim

    Oh to be sure, BBB, I’m simplifying a bit, but it’s also wrong to say that China’s exports are wholly dependent on the health of the US domestic market.

  16. Bingo Bango Boingo

    Yes that’s right, not wholly dependent. But substantially so, which is of course why the Chinese bother to prop up the dollar in the first place. In the longer term, Chinese manufacturing will increasingly service its domestic markets. Presumably then so-called ‘excess savings’ will be applied internally. So let’s hope that the Chinese “dollar exit strategy”, whatever it is, can be executed in an orderly fashion. I’m sure it will be. After all, the financial markets are rock solid these days…

    BBB

  17. Kim

    I think the point is, BBB, that the Chinese want some equity bang for their buck, rather than just propping up the dollar via Treasury Bonds (on which the return is basically zero at the moment).

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