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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/30/tarp-watch-bailout-failout/#comment-219073</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarians worry that the bailout plan is quite similar to The Communist Manifesto!

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/09/29/bailout-marks-karl-marx-s-comeback.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians worry that the bailout plan is quite similar to The Communist Manifesto!</p>
<p><a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/09/29/bailout-marks-karl-marx-s-comeback.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/09/29/bailout-marks-karl-marx-s-comeback.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: wizofaus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/30/tarp-watch-bailout-failout/#comment-219072</link>
		<dc:creator>wizofaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some background on the &quot;wooden arrow&quot; provision here:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=aKd0vyGN8L2k&amp;refer=us

Although I also read that it was part of a bill that was already passed by Senate the week prior, and the bills were simply appended for passage through the House, something that occurs fairly commonly apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some background on the &#8220;wooden arrow&#8221; provision here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&#038;sid=aKd0vyGN8L2k&#038;refer=us" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&#038;sid=aKd0vyGN8L2k&#038;refer=us</a></p>
<p>Although I also read that it was part of a bill that was already passed by Senate the week prior, and the bills were simply appended for passage through the House, something that occurs fairly commonly apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/30/tarp-watch-bailout-failout/#comment-219071</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some interesting blogs describing the urban decay and disintegration in many major American cities.

Detroit appears to be one of the worst hit cities, but it has spawned this wonderful blog :&lt;a href=&quot;//www.detroitblog.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DetroitBlog.&lt;/a&gt;
The blogger combines the gifts of a natural writer with a deep respect for the city and its sometimes desperate and eccentric inhabitants.
Trawling through the archives is a fascinating experience, giving an outsider a rare insight into the nature of a city in seemingly terminal decline.

Originally found through the wonderful Australian blog, barista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some interesting blogs describing the urban decay and disintegration in many major American cities.</p>
<p>Detroit appears to be one of the worst hit cities, but it has spawned this wonderful blog :<a href="//www.detroitblog.org/" rel="nofollow">DetroitBlog.</a><br />
The blogger combines the gifts of a natural writer with a deep respect for the city and its sometimes desperate and eccentric inhabitants.<br />
Trawling through the archives is a fascinating experience, giving an outsider a rare insight into the nature of a city in seemingly terminal decline.</p>
<p>Originally found through the wonderful Australian blog, barista.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/30/tarp-watch-bailout-failout/#comment-219070</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world may be staring into the hollow eyes sockets of teh.biggest.crisis.eva.

But that&#039;s no reason to spurn the toy arrow lobby:

From the latest draft of the TARP:

&lt;blockquote&gt;SEC. 503. EXEMPTION FROM EXCISE TAX FOR CERTAIN WOODEN ARROWS DESIGNED FOR USE BY CHILDREN.

‘(B) EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN WOODEN ARROW SHAFTS.-Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to any shaft consisting of all natural wood with no laminations or artificial means of enhancing the spine of such shaft (whether sold separately or incorporated as part of a finished or unfinished product) of a type used in the manufacture of any arrow which after its assembly- ‘‘(i) measures 5?16 of an inch or less in diameter, and ‘‘(ii) is not suitable for use with a bow described in paragraph (1)(A).&#039;&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Paulson&#039;s TARP began life as a three-pager. It now has hundreds of sections of the lardiest pork just like the one above.

I guess some Congress folks are really, really concerned about the future of the world.

&quot;I shot an arrow into the air, It fell to earth, I knew not where&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world may be staring into the hollow eyes sockets of teh.biggest.crisis.eva.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s no reason to spurn the toy arrow lobby:</p>
<p>From the latest draft of the TARP:</p>
<blockquote><p>SEC. 503. EXEMPTION FROM EXCISE TAX FOR CERTAIN WOODEN ARROWS DESIGNED FOR USE BY CHILDREN.</p>
<p>‘(B) EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN WOODEN ARROW SHAFTS.-Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to any shaft consisting of all natural wood with no laminations or artificial means of enhancing the spine of such shaft (whether sold separately or incorporated as part of a finished or unfinished product) of a type used in the manufacture of any arrow which after its assembly- ‘‘(i) measures 5?16 of an inch or less in diameter, and ‘‘(ii) is not suitable for use with a bow described in paragraph (1)(A).&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Paulson&#8217;s TARP began life as a three-pager. It now has hundreds of sections of the lardiest pork just like the one above.</p>
<p>I guess some Congress folks are really, really concerned about the future of the world.</p>
<p>&#8220;I shot an arrow into the air, It fell to earth, I knew not where&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy from Flynn, I&#039;ve spent months and months in the place and I would be happy if I never have to go back. I think you have pretty much nailed it, and to think there a people that want to turn Australia into the same sad and sorry state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy from Flynn, I&#8217;ve spent months and months in the place and I would be happy if I never have to go back. I think you have pretty much nailed it, and to think there a people that want to turn Australia into the same sad and sorry state.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrien [93 - and re my post 91] You said

&lt;blockquote&gt;  &quot;I believe we’re watching something like the processes that took place in Rome in the first century BCE leading to the collapse of the republic&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Great minds think alike&quot; perhaps?

I did originally think of posting a suggestion of using a modern-day version of the Proscriptio of Lucius Cornelius Sulla but changed my mind when I actually posted and instead suggested the public execution of a symbolic few.   Bumping off large numbers of the culprits would delight the victims, of course, but if the U.S. economy is to make anything other than a temporary imaginary recovery then it will need thousands of contrite, rigidly-controlled former finance industry workers to implement the painful, necessary, long-overdue radical reforms.  [Those former finance workers undergoing Restitution-&amp;-Rehabilitation work can be taken back to their prison camps each night and given a full day off each Christmas or Rosh-Hashanah].

[and post 92]:

China as superpower?    Yes, just what is the going price for &quot;waterview&quot; property in the Columbia Hills on Mars?

Boy from Flynn [97]:

It was the incredible gap between poverty and ostentatious riches that really shocked me when I was in the U.S. in the &#039;Eighties .... and I had a lot of contact with Americans for many years before I went there!   Things have got a lot worse since then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrien [93 - and re my post 91] You said</p>
<blockquote><p>  &#8220;I believe we’re watching something like the processes that took place in Rome in the first century BCE leading to the collapse of the republic&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Great minds think alike&#8221; perhaps?</p>
<p>I did originally think of posting a suggestion of using a modern-day version of the Proscriptio of Lucius Cornelius Sulla but changed my mind when I actually posted and instead suggested the public execution of a symbolic few.   Bumping off large numbers of the culprits would delight the victims, of course, but if the U.S. economy is to make anything other than a temporary imaginary recovery then it will need thousands of contrite, rigidly-controlled former finance industry workers to implement the painful, necessary, long-overdue radical reforms.  [Those former finance workers undergoing Restitution-&amp;-Rehabilitation work can be taken back to their prison camps each night and given a full day off each Christmas or Rosh-Hashanah].</p>
<p>[and post 92]:</p>
<p>China as superpower?    Yes, just what is the going price for &#8220;waterview&#8221; property in the Columbia Hills on Mars?</p>
<p>Boy from Flynn [97]:</p>
<p>It was the incredible gap between poverty and ostentatious riches that really shocked me when I was in the U.S. in the &#8216;Eighties &#8230;. and I had a lot of contact with Americans for many years before I went there!   Things have got a lot worse since then.</p>
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		<title>By: Boy from Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boy from Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, that&#039;s the other thing I noticed wizofaus. The general RUN-DOWN appearence of many places there. As we expected, places like Annaheim, Beverly Hills, Rodeo Drive, Orange County etc were clean, well-maintained looking and almost completely free of homeless people (police must keep them out of the upmarket areas or something) while a great many other places have a distinct third-worldish look about them. Lots of money is obviously funnelled into select spots while the rest is largely neglected. I bet public money furnishes the areas lived in and frequented by the rich who pay little or no tax themselves.

Surprisingly, Hollywood and the walk of fame are among the crappier places. Not far from Maralyn Monroe&#039;s star in the pavement, I saw a guy offering to work for food. How fucked is that?

Driving past the Bronx, our tour guide pointed out a tiny, run-down cottage on the edge of a sprawling slum and told us that it had recently sold for US$3 million - an omen of things to come.

Yeah, it&#039;s pretty shocking that the (self -declared) centre of the free world should come to be in such a state. I think though, in accordance with their culture, it would be hard to find a better example of a lumpen proletariat. They must be the most individualistic and self-centred people I have come accross. They appear driven on one hand  by a fervent belief that in America, anyone can become mega-rich if they are prepared to work hard enough, and on the other by an almost pathalogical suspicion of government - raising taxes, even if it is to be spent on hospitals, schools, roads etc seems to be regarded as an attack on the American way of life. It&#039;s more like a collection of self-centred individuals than a society as such.

No wonder they&#039;re stewing in their own sour brew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, that&#8217;s the other thing I noticed wizofaus. The general RUN-DOWN appearence of many places there. As we expected, places like Annaheim, Beverly Hills, Rodeo Drive, Orange County etc were clean, well-maintained looking and almost completely free of homeless people (police must keep them out of the upmarket areas or something) while a great many other places have a distinct third-worldish look about them. Lots of money is obviously funnelled into select spots while the rest is largely neglected. I bet public money furnishes the areas lived in and frequented by the rich who pay little or no tax themselves.</p>
<p>Surprisingly, Hollywood and the walk of fame are among the crappier places. Not far from Maralyn Monroe&#8217;s star in the pavement, I saw a guy offering to work for food. How fucked is that?</p>
<p>Driving past the Bronx, our tour guide pointed out a tiny, run-down cottage on the edge of a sprawling slum and told us that it had recently sold for US$3 million &#8211; an omen of things to come.</p>
<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s pretty shocking that the (self -declared) centre of the free world should come to be in such a state. I think though, in accordance with their culture, it would be hard to find a better example of a lumpen proletariat. They must be the most individualistic and self-centred people I have come accross. They appear driven on one hand  by a fervent belief that in America, anyone can become mega-rich if they are prepared to work hard enough, and on the other by an almost pathalogical suspicion of government &#8211; raising taxes, even if it is to be spent on hospitals, schools, roads etc seems to be regarded as an attack on the American way of life. It&#8217;s more like a collection of self-centred individuals than a society as such.</p>
<p>No wonder they&#8217;re stewing in their own sour brew.</p>
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		<title>By: wizofaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizofaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have been the US recently at witnessed the inequalities first hand, you don&#039;t actually need to go there: it&#039;s pretty visible even in plenty of fairly mainstream Hollywood movies and TV shows, especially those of the Law &amp; Order variety.  But what really shocked me is the shoddy state of the infrastucture - AFAICT, almost all roads even in the wealthier parts of major cities are in pretty shocking condition, airports are invariably run-down, public playgrounds completely neglected, and power-outs common.  I can only assume it&#039;s been a gradual change that the public just somehow haven&#039;t noticed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have been the US recently at witnessed the inequalities first hand, you don&#8217;t actually need to go there: it&#8217;s pretty visible even in plenty of fairly mainstream Hollywood movies and TV shows, especially those of the Law &amp; Order variety.  But what really shocked me is the shoddy state of the infrastucture &#8211; AFAICT, almost all roads even in the wealthier parts of major cities are in pretty shocking condition, airports are invariably run-down, public playgrounds completely neglected, and power-outs common.  I can only assume it&#8217;s been a gradual change that the public just somehow haven&#8217;t noticed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Adrien.

BFF - yep, I&#039;ve heard similar from friends who&#039;ve been to the States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Adrien.</p>
<p>BFF &#8211; yep, I&#8217;ve heard similar from friends who&#8217;ve been to the States.</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out of Sài Gòn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Down and Out of Sài Gòn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I believe we’re watching something like the processes that took place in Rome in the first century BCE leading to the collapse of the republic.&lt;/i&gt;

Interesting that you mention that, Adrian. Robert Farley makes &lt;a href=&quot;http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2008/09/simply-because-something-must-happen.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the same comparison&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s not just a few bad apples - it&#039;s massive political and institutional failure in the United States.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&amp;year=2008&amp;base_name=its_bigger_than_the_bailout&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ezra Klein&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/09/when-politics-f.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hilzoy&lt;/a&gt; (linked to by Robert) are also worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I believe we’re watching something like the processes that took place in Rome in the first century BCE leading to the collapse of the republic.</i></p>
<p>Interesting that you mention that, Adrian. Robert Farley makes <a href="http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2008/09/simply-because-something-must-happen.html" rel="nofollow">the same comparison</a>. It&#8217;s not just a few bad apples &#8211; it&#8217;s massive political and institutional failure in the United States.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&amp;year=2008&amp;base_name=its_bigger_than_the_bailout" rel="nofollow">Ezra Klein</a> and <a href="http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/09/when-politics-f.html" rel="nofollow">Hilzoy</a> (linked to by Robert) are also worth reading.</p>
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