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		<title>By: j.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209813</link>
		<dc:creator>j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put another way: Why do the actions of SOME gay men make you not trust all of them, when you don&#039;t think you should be judged by the actions of SOME heterosexual men?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put another way: Why do the actions of SOME gay men make you not trust all of them, when you don&#8217;t think you should be judged by the actions of SOME heterosexual men?</p>
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		<title>By: j.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209812</link>
		<dc:creator>j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:

&quot;Its not my problem at all. I’m on medical treatment which completely removes my libido and I can tell you I much prefer it to when I had a sex drive, for heaps of reasons.&quot;

How is your sec drive relevant to the equation. Your original quote about gays was that &quot;I won’t trust them any longer&quot; because of the sex drive shown in one or two.

You didn&#039;t say &quot;I don&#039;t trust people with high androgen levels&quot; you didn&#039;t say &quot;i don&#039;t trust gay men with high androgen levels&quot; you said &quot;i don&#039;t trust them(gays) any longer&quot;

It is clear that this has been shown to be a male quality as distinct from a gay quality. You are male. Therefore by logical extension you cannot be trusted, regardless of your androgen levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:</p>
<p>&#8220;Its not my problem at all. I’m on medical treatment which completely removes my libido and I can tell you I much prefer it to when I had a sex drive, for heaps of reasons.&#8221;</p>
<p>How is your sec drive relevant to the equation. Your original quote about gays was that &#8220;I won’t trust them any longer&#8221; because of the sex drive shown in one or two.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t say &#8220;I don&#8217;t trust people with high androgen levels&#8221; you didn&#8217;t say &#8220;i don&#8217;t trust gay men with high androgen levels&#8221; you said &#8220;i don&#8217;t trust them(gays) any longer&#8221;</p>
<p>It is clear that this has been shown to be a male quality as distinct from a gay quality. You are male. Therefore by logical extension you cannot be trusted, regardless of your androgen levels.</p>
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		<title>By: myriad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209811</link>
		<dc:creator>myriad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem Ambigulous, I understood what you meant, and you&#039;re quite right - the problems I&#039;ve had are minor compared to the hell and financial loss some couples etc. experience.

At least here in Tas we can register our relationship, but of course as a federal public servant (ironically now working for Immigration!), my super going to my partner is not at all guaranteed, even though I&#039;ve nominated her on all forms etc. At least I know my mum would give it to her if I died, but that&#039;s hardly comfort!

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem Ambigulous, I understood what you meant, and you&#8217;re quite right &#8211; the problems I&#8217;ve had are minor compared to the hell and financial loss some couples etc. experience.</p>
<p>At least here in Tas we can register our relationship, but of course as a federal public servant (ironically now working for Immigration!), my super going to my partner is not at all guaranteed, even though I&#8217;ve nominated her on all forms etc. At least I know my mum would give it to her if I died, but that&#8217;s hardly comfort!</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209810</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j.
Its not my problem at all. I&#039;m on medical treatment which completely removes my libido and I can tell you I much prefer it to when I had a sex drive, for heaps of reasons. Unfortunately, I&#039;ll be off the treatment for a while after January, I think, but I hope not for too long. I much prefer not to be plagued by thoughts of sex. A much better, more productive life, I can tell you, with much less time-wasting. I actually wish I&#039;d been like this all my life. No kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j.<br />
Its not my problem at all. I&#8217;m on medical treatment which completely removes my libido and I can tell you I much prefer it to when I had a sex drive, for heaps of reasons. Unfortunately, I&#8217;ll be off the treatment for a while after January, I think, but I hope not for too long. I much prefer not to be plagued by thoughts of sex. A much better, more productive life, I can tell you, with much less time-wasting. I actually wish I&#8217;d been like this all my life. No kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209809</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>myriad,

it&#039;s examples like the ones you&#039;ve mentioned that appal many Australians, and when it comes to inheritances or superannuation, it can be in the hundreds of thousands of $. I think the reality of discrimination is (slowly) being more widely understood by those who don&#039;t cop it directly.

BTW, I don&#039;t mean to downplay your instances (involving thousands of $). Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>myriad,</p>
<p>it&#8217;s examples like the ones you&#8217;ve mentioned that appal many Australians, and when it comes to inheritances or superannuation, it can be in the hundreds of thousands of $. I think the reality of discrimination is (slowly) being more widely understood by those who don&#8217;t cop it directly.</p>
<p>BTW, I don&#8217;t mean to downplay your instances (involving thousands of $). Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: myriad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209808</link>
		<dc:creator>myriad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zorronsky,

I&#039;ve got to say that I&#039;m sure you mean well and all, but

a) there&#039;s nothing more annoying to someone who&#039;s systemically discriminated against by society&#039;s laws than those who don&#039;t suffer same telling us we&#039;re &#039;better off&#039; (like you&#039;d know?); and

b) go read the HREOC report on discrimination against gays &amp; lesbians etc. at the federal level which found no less than 120 changes that need to be made, and that categorically show that we are not &#039;better off&#039; by any measure you can dream up.

To give you just two examples from my recent experience:

1) I sponsored my same sex partner to Australia on what is known as an &#039;Interdependency&#039; Visa. As part of this I had to sign numerous legally binding documents to the effect that I would financially support her for a minimum of two years, and would also declare my relationship to all relevant authorities and services as part of supporting my stat. dec that she was my partner. I then went to Centrelink because I needed to sign on for the dole until I found a job, who of course don&#039;t legally recognise same sex relationships. I asked them to put a stat dec on file for me showing that I had declared my relationship to them. They wouldn&#039;t do it &amp; told me to &#039;stop whinging because you&#039;ll get more dole&#039;. Three months later, Immigration is accusing me of not declaring my relationship to a government service. Catch 22 much?

2) Even though my partner is fully dependent on me, I&#039;m not legally entitled to claim her as such under tax law, so I miss out on thousands of dollars of tax rebate that every other het couple, married or defacto, is entitled to. I do draw the line at paying for the medicare levy though based on my income being assessed as if I&#039;m single, so I simply don&#039;t declare my partner&#039;s sex. I&#039;ll cop missing out on tax rebates, but I refuse to pay more because our system is so discriminatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zorronsky,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got to say that I&#8217;m sure you mean well and all, but</p>
<p>a) there&#8217;s nothing more annoying to someone who&#8217;s systemically discriminated against by society&#8217;s laws than those who don&#8217;t suffer same telling us we&#8217;re &#8216;better off&#8217; (like you&#8217;d know?); and</p>
<p>b) go read the HREOC report on discrimination against gays &amp; lesbians etc. at the federal level which found no less than 120 changes that need to be made, and that categorically show that we are not &#8216;better off&#8217; by any measure you can dream up.</p>
<p>To give you just two examples from my recent experience:</p>
<p>1) I sponsored my same sex partner to Australia on what is known as an &#8216;Interdependency&#8217; Visa. As part of this I had to sign numerous legally binding documents to the effect that I would financially support her for a minimum of two years, and would also declare my relationship to all relevant authorities and services as part of supporting my stat. dec that she was my partner. I then went to Centrelink because I needed to sign on for the dole until I found a job, who of course don&#8217;t legally recognise same sex relationships. I asked them to put a stat dec on file for me showing that I had declared my relationship to them. They wouldn&#8217;t do it &amp; told me to &#8216;stop whinging because you&#8217;ll get more dole&#8217;. Three months later, Immigration is accusing me of not declaring my relationship to a government service. Catch 22 much?</p>
<p>2) Even though my partner is fully dependent on me, I&#8217;m not legally entitled to claim her as such under tax law, so I miss out on thousands of dollars of tax rebate that every other het couple, married or defacto, is entitled to. I do draw the line at paying for the medicare levy though based on my income being assessed as if I&#8217;m single, so I simply don&#8217;t declare my partner&#8217;s sex. I&#8217;ll cop missing out on tax rebates, but I refuse to pay more because our system is so discriminatory.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209807</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emma, awfully nice of you to think that of me, but no: it&#039;s tissues, a few coins, the rest of the detritus gets put in jacket pockets (wallet, memory stick, etc).

But look, don&#039;t let&#039;s spoil the moment with damnable facts: I AM really pleased to see you.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma, awfully nice of you to think that of me, but no: it&#8217;s tissues, a few coins, the rest of the detritus gets put in jacket pockets (wallet, memory stick, etc).</p>
<p>But look, don&#8217;t let&#8217;s spoil the moment with damnable facts: I AM really pleased to see you&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ambigulous, is that a cock in your pocket, or... nah, forget it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambigulous, is that a cock in your pocket, or&#8230; nah, forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: j.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209805</link>
		<dc:creator>j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s your problem Paul. You&#039;re male after all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s your problem Paul. You&#8217;re male after all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/economic-inequality-and-attitudes-towards-same-sex-relationships/#comment-209804</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emma @ 7,
Agree absolutely. Reinforces my argument indirectly, I reckon.But a lot of men, straight or gay, refuse to recognise much of trheir life is governed by a rush of blood freom brains to genitals. Well, that&#039;s their problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma @ 7,<br />
Agree absolutely. Reinforces my argument indirectly, I reckon.But a lot of men, straight or gay, refuse to recognise much of trheir life is governed by a rush of blood freom brains to genitals. Well, that&#8217;s their problem.</p>
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