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		<title>By: TimT</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209889</link>
		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks anyway Robert - I was just &lt;a href=&quot;http://deggles.csoft.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;linking to Russ&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt;, who has a recent post referring to bicycles/buses/trains. He&#039;s an urban planner, so he&#039;d make an excellent addition to the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks anyway Robert &#8211; I was just <a href="http://deggles.csoft.net" rel="nofollow">linking to Russ&#8217;s blog</a>, who has a recent post referring to bicycles/buses/trains. He&#8217;s an urban planner, so he&#8217;d make an excellent addition to the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209888</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: if it&#039;s not up now, it&#039;s gone; the spam bucket has been overflowing lately so it&#039;s possible that we just plain missed it in the noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: if it&#8217;s not up now, it&#8217;s gone; the spam bucket has been overflowing lately so it&#8217;s possible that we just plain missed it in the noise.</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209887</link>
		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bugger, my previous comment has been spam-binned - Robert, can you release it please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bugger, my previous comment has been spam-binned &#8211; Robert, can you release it please?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209886</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trains are usable, but not the best, Tim.  They only run every 20 minutes except during the morning and evening peaks, and they take this annoying detour through North Melbourne which, importantly, means you can&#039;t conveniently get to Melbourne University or the Royal Melbourne Hospital via the train.

This could be fixed in a number of ways; the cheapest would probably be to replace the heavy rail on the Upfield line, with light rail, and redirect the last past of the trip along Royal Parade (have a look at Google Maps).  The more elaborate fix, as proposed by the Greens plan, is to put in a north-south rail tunnel with a station at Melbourne University, with the tunnel continuing to connect Melbourne Central, and Flinders Street.

As far as cycling goes, personally I don&#039;t find it too bad.  The traffic is so slow along Sydney Road most of the time, it&#039;s not a hassle.  And, as mentioned, there are a number of alternative routes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trains are usable, but not the best, Tim.  They only run every 20 minutes except during the morning and evening peaks, and they take this annoying detour through North Melbourne which, importantly, means you can&#8217;t conveniently get to Melbourne University or the Royal Melbourne Hospital via the train.</p>
<p>This could be fixed in a number of ways; the cheapest would probably be to replace the heavy rail on the Upfield line, with light rail, and redirect the last past of the trip along Royal Parade (have a look at Google Maps).  The more elaborate fix, as proposed by the Greens plan, is to put in a north-south rail tunnel with a station at Melbourne University, with the tunnel continuing to connect Melbourne Central, and Flinders Street.</p>
<p>As far as cycling goes, personally I don&#8217;t find it too bad.  The traffic is so slow along Sydney Road most of the time, it&#8217;s not a hassle.  And, as mentioned, there are a number of alternative routes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hollo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209885</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Hollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FXH, I&#039;m not a local, I admit, but I&#039;ve spent a fair bit of time in the area over many years of visiting your fair city. Now, I ride to and from work every day in Canberra, but there&#039;s no bloody way you&#039;d catch me taking my life in my hands to ride down Sydney Road!

Interesting point about the trains, Robert. I wasn&#039;t aware of that. But what are the services like? Convenient? Frequent? Clean? Enough space?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FXH, I&#8217;m not a local, I admit, but I&#8217;ve spent a fair bit of time in the area over many years of visiting your fair city. Now, I ride to and from work every day in Canberra, but there&#8217;s no bloody way you&#8217;d catch me taking my life in my hands to ride down Sydney Road!</p>
<p>Interesting point about the trains, Robert. I wasn&#8217;t aware of that. But what are the services like? Convenient? Frequent? Clean? Enough space?</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209884</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merkel @69 and you forgot to add that it&#039;s all bloody flat as a pancake for bike riding and basically inner city. So why all the cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merkel @69 and you forgot to add that it&#8217;s all bloody flat as a pancake for bike riding and basically inner city. So why all the cars?</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209883</link>
		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of &#039;substantial influx of extra passengers&#039;... I remember catching the No. 19 tram up Sydney Road during the Commonwealth Games. In off-peak times, two or three stops from the Elizabeth/Flinders Street terminus, the tram was packed to the gills. Tim Hollo may have a point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8216;substantial influx of extra passengers&#8217;&#8230; I remember catching the No. 19 tram up Sydney Road during the Commonwealth Games. In off-peak times, two or three stops from the Elizabeth/Flinders Street terminus, the tram was packed to the gills. Tim Hollo may have a point!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209882</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: again, I think I might pull the &quot;I&#039;m a local&quot; stunt here.

Sydney road has trains 100 metres from most of its length, trams running up it every 10, a mostly off-road cycle path along the train line.  There are bike lanes on just about every cross-street, too, and cross-city buses.

The alternatives are more satisfactory in this particular area than just about anywhere else in Melbourne.  Frankly, it&#039;s got me buggered why anybody bothers to drive on Sydney Road at all; it&#039;s almost always quicker to head across to Lygon Street and go round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: again, I think I might pull the &#8220;I&#8217;m a local&#8221; stunt here.</p>
<p>Sydney road has trains 100 metres from most of its length, trams running up it every 10, a mostly off-road cycle path along the train line.  There are bike lanes on just about every cross-street, too, and cross-city buses.</p>
<p>The alternatives are more satisfactory in this particular area than just about anywhere else in Melbourne.  Frankly, it&#8217;s got me buggered why anybody bothers to drive on Sydney Road at all; it&#8217;s almost always quicker to head across to Lygon Street and go round.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209881</link>
		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small bit of good news – more trains at peak times, including on my benighted Sydenham line. http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-election-2008/melbourne-trains-get-peakhour-boost-20081009-4x2v.html hey check that address – silly the Age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small bit of good news – more trains at peak times, including on my benighted Sydenham line. <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-election-2008/melbourne-trains-get-peakhour-boost-20081009-4x2v.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-election-2008/melbourne-trains-get-peakhour-boost-20081009-4x2v.html</a> hey check that address – silly the Age.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hollo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/interactive-transport-plans/#comment-209880</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Hollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The best solution for congestion on Sydney Road is of course road pricing.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, that&#039;s not the case. Road pricing, just like taxing the carbon content of fuel, can only go so far if the alternatives are not widely, cheaply and conveniently available. Unless and until Melbourne&#039;s public transport, cycling and pedestrian infrastructure is upgraded to the point where it can easily accommodate a very substantial influx of extra passengers, the only impact of road pricing will be greater inequity and more pissed off Melburnians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The best solution for congestion on Sydney Road is of course road pricing.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, that&#8217;s not the case. Road pricing, just like taxing the carbon content of fuel, can only go so far if the alternatives are not widely, cheaply and conveniently available. Unless and until Melbourne&#8217;s public transport, cycling and pedestrian infrastructure is upgraded to the point where it can easily accommodate a very substantial influx of extra passengers, the only impact of road pricing will be greater inequity and more pissed off Melburnians.</p>
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