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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/the-gloves-are-off/#comment-209776</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And then flame out like Goldwater in ‘64. I think the majority of the US electorate has pretty much had it with faux conviction politics. They just want a return to “normalcy”. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who knows.
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The Religious Right took a beating in &#039;06. People might be sick of the Armageddon Mob. But there&#039;s substantial section of the American population who believe nutso things. The Economic Shitfan that&#039;s gonna spray everyone over the next little while may render Obama impotent viz changing the Energy Economy. Back in the late &#039;70s Carter told America it had to accept a reduced standard of living, cut down on its excessive consumption, kick the oil jag etc.
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Which is why they re-elected him in 1980, oh wait... Course Obama seems to be something Carter was not: effective.
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Palin&#039;s a rookie. But relatively untainted. She might get a bit of grooming, a bit of smoothing out, a hook or some such and presto. Born Again Prez. There&#039;s a heaps of others such willing to try it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And then flame out like Goldwater in ‘64. I think the majority of the US electorate has pretty much had it with faux conviction politics. They just want a return to “normalcy”. </p></blockquote>
<p>Who knows.<br />
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The Religious Right took a beating in &#8217;06. People might be sick of the Armageddon Mob. But there&#8217;s substantial section of the American population who believe nutso things. The Economic Shitfan that&#8217;s gonna spray everyone over the next little while may render Obama impotent viz changing the Energy Economy. Back in the late &#8217;70s Carter told America it had to accept a reduced standard of living, cut down on its excessive consumption, kick the oil jag etc.<br />
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Which is why they re-elected him in 1980, oh wait&#8230; Course Obama seems to be something Carter was not: effective.<br />
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Palin&#8217;s a rookie. But relatively untainted. She might get a bit of grooming, a bit of smoothing out, a hook or some such and presto. Born Again Prez. There&#8217;s a heaps of others such willing to try it on.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/the-gloves-are-off/#comment-209775</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Nab&#039;s recommendation of &lt;i&gt;Distraction&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Nab&#8217;s recommendation of <i>Distraction</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/the-gloves-are-off/#comment-209774</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Lefty, Bush won that election fair and square -- 5 to 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Lefty, Bush won that election fair and square &#8212; 5 to 4.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/the-gloves-are-off/#comment-209773</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it must be some comfort to our American friends that the worst US President of modern times wasn&#039;t quite elected by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it must be some comfort to our American friends that the worst US President of modern times wasn&#8217;t quite elected by them.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/the-gloves-are-off/#comment-209772</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2000: Republican thugs from all over descend on Florida to demand a stop to the infamous Gore/Bush recount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2000: Republican thugs from all over descend on Florida to demand a stop to the infamous Gore/Bush recount.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/the-gloves-are-off/#comment-209771</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good extract from the opening chapter of &#039;Distraction&#039;.


&lt;i&gt;The first security shots showed a typical Massachusetts street crowd, people walking the street. Worcester was traditionally a rather tough and ugly town, but like many areas in the old industrial Northeast, Worcester had been rather picking up lately. Nobody in the crowd showed any signs of aggression or rage. Certainly nothing was going on that would provoke the attention of the authorities and their various forms of machine surveillance. Just normal people shopping, strolling. A line of bank customers doing business with a debit-card machine. A bus taking on and disgorging its passengers.

Then, bit by bit, the street crowd became denser. There were more people in motion. And, although it was by no means easy to notice, more and more of these people were carrying valises, or knapsacks, or big jumbo-sized purses.

Oscar knew very well that these very normal-looking people were linked in conspiracy. The thing that truly roused his admiration was the absolute brilliance of the way they were dressed, the utter dullness and nonchalance of their comportment. They were definitely not natives of Worcester, Massachusetts, but each and every one was a cunning distillation of the public image of Worcester. They were all deliberate plants and ringers, but they were uncannily brilliant forgeries, strangers bent on destruction who were almost impossible to notice.

They didn&#039;t fit any known demographic profile of a troublemaker, or a criminal, or a violent radical. Any security measure that would have excluded them would have excluded everyone in town.

Oscar assumed that they were all radical proles. Dissidents, autonomen, gypsies, leisure-union people. This was a reasonable assumption, since a quarter of the American population no longer had jobs. More than half of the people in modern America had given up on formal employment. The modern economy no longer generated many commercial roles that could occupy the time of people.

With millions of people structurally uprooted, there wasn&#039;t any lack of recruiting material for cults, prole gangs, and street mobs. Big mobs were common enough nowadays, but this May Day organization was not a mob. They weren&#039;t a standard street gang or militia either. Because they weren&#039;t saluting one another. There were no visible orders given or taken, no colors or hand signs, no visible hierarchy. They showed no signs of mutual recognition at all.

In fact--Oscar had concluded this only after repeated close study of the tape--they weren&#039;t even aware of one another&#039;s existence as members of the same group. He further suspected that many of them--maybe most of them--didn&#039;t know what they were about to do.

Then, they all exploded into action. It was startling, even at the fifty-first viewing.

Smoke bombs went off, veiling the street in mist. Purses and valises and backpacks yawned open, and their owners removed and deployed a previously invisible arsenal of drills, and bolt cutters, and pneumatic jacks. They marched through the puffing smoke and set to their work as if they demolished banks every day.

A brown van ambled by, a van that bore no license plates. As it drove down the street every other vehicle stopped dead. None of those vehicles would ever move again, because their circuits had just been stripped by a high-frequency magnetic pulse, which, not coincidentally, had ruined all the financial hardware within the bank.

The brown van departed, never to return. It was shortly replaced by a large, official-looking, hook-wielding tow truck. The tow truck bumped daintily over the pavement, hooked itself to the automatic teller machine, and yanked the entire armored machine from the wall in a cascade of broken bricks. Two random passersby deftly lashed the teller machine down with bungee cords. The tow truck then thoughtfully picked up a parked limousine belonging to a bank officer, and departed with that as well.

At this point, the arm of a young man appeared in close-up. A strong brown hand depressed a button, and a can sprayed the lens of the security camera with paint. That was the end of the recorded surveillance footage.

But it hadn&#039;t been the end of the attack. The attackers hadn&#039;t simply robbed the bank. They had carried off everything portable, including the security cameras, the carpets, the chairs, and the light and plumbing fixtures. The conspirators had deliberately punished the bank, for reasons best known to themselves, or to their unknown controllers. They had superglued doors and shattered windows, severed power and communications cables, poured stinking toxins into the wallspaces, concreted all the sinks and drains. In eight minutes, sixty people had ruined the building so thoroughly that it had to be condemned and later demolished.

The ensuing criminal investigation had not managed to apprehend, convict, or even identify a single one of the &quot;rioters.&quot; Once fuller attention had been paid to the Worcester bank, a number of grave financial irregularities had surfaced. The scandal eventually led to the resignation of three Massachusetts state representatives and the jailing of four bank executives and the mayor of Worcester. The Worcester banking scandal had become a major issue in the ensuing U.S. Senate campaign.&lt;/i&gt;

You think we&#039;re not gonna start seeing that kinda flash mob stuff in real life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good extract from the opening chapter of &#8216;Distraction&#8217;.</p>
<p><i>The first security shots showed a typical Massachusetts street crowd, people walking the street. Worcester was traditionally a rather tough and ugly town, but like many areas in the old industrial Northeast, Worcester had been rather picking up lately. Nobody in the crowd showed any signs of aggression or rage. Certainly nothing was going on that would provoke the attention of the authorities and their various forms of machine surveillance. Just normal people shopping, strolling. A line of bank customers doing business with a debit-card machine. A bus taking on and disgorging its passengers.</p>
<p>Then, bit by bit, the street crowd became denser. There were more people in motion. And, although it was by no means easy to notice, more and more of these people were carrying valises, or knapsacks, or big jumbo-sized purses.</p>
<p>Oscar knew very well that these very normal-looking people were linked in conspiracy. The thing that truly roused his admiration was the absolute brilliance of the way they were dressed, the utter dullness and nonchalance of their comportment. They were definitely not natives of Worcester, Massachusetts, but each and every one was a cunning distillation of the public image of Worcester. They were all deliberate plants and ringers, but they were uncannily brilliant forgeries, strangers bent on destruction who were almost impossible to notice.</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t fit any known demographic profile of a troublemaker, or a criminal, or a violent radical. Any security measure that would have excluded them would have excluded everyone in town.</p>
<p>Oscar assumed that they were all radical proles. Dissidents, autonomen, gypsies, leisure-union people. This was a reasonable assumption, since a quarter of the American population no longer had jobs. More than half of the people in modern America had given up on formal employment. The modern economy no longer generated many commercial roles that could occupy the time of people.</p>
<p>With millions of people structurally uprooted, there wasn&#8217;t any lack of recruiting material for cults, prole gangs, and street mobs. Big mobs were common enough nowadays, but this May Day organization was not a mob. They weren&#8217;t a standard street gang or militia either. Because they weren&#8217;t saluting one another. There were no visible orders given or taken, no colors or hand signs, no visible hierarchy. They showed no signs of mutual recognition at all.</p>
<p>In fact&#8211;Oscar had concluded this only after repeated close study of the tape&#8211;they weren&#8217;t even aware of one another&#8217;s existence as members of the same group. He further suspected that many of them&#8211;maybe most of them&#8211;didn&#8217;t know what they were about to do.</p>
<p>Then, they all exploded into action. It was startling, even at the fifty-first viewing.</p>
<p>Smoke bombs went off, veiling the street in mist. Purses and valises and backpacks yawned open, and their owners removed and deployed a previously invisible arsenal of drills, and bolt cutters, and pneumatic jacks. They marched through the puffing smoke and set to their work as if they demolished banks every day.</p>
<p>A brown van ambled by, a van that bore no license plates. As it drove down the street every other vehicle stopped dead. None of those vehicles would ever move again, because their circuits had just been stripped by a high-frequency magnetic pulse, which, not coincidentally, had ruined all the financial hardware within the bank.</p>
<p>The brown van departed, never to return. It was shortly replaced by a large, official-looking, hook-wielding tow truck. The tow truck bumped daintily over the pavement, hooked itself to the automatic teller machine, and yanked the entire armored machine from the wall in a cascade of broken bricks. Two random passersby deftly lashed the teller machine down with bungee cords. The tow truck then thoughtfully picked up a parked limousine belonging to a bank officer, and departed with that as well.</p>
<p>At this point, the arm of a young man appeared in close-up. A strong brown hand depressed a button, and a can sprayed the lens of the security camera with paint. That was the end of the recorded surveillance footage.</p>
<p>But it hadn&#8217;t been the end of the attack. The attackers hadn&#8217;t simply robbed the bank. They had carried off everything portable, including the security cameras, the carpets, the chairs, and the light and plumbing fixtures. The conspirators had deliberately punished the bank, for reasons best known to themselves, or to their unknown controllers. They had superglued doors and shattered windows, severed power and communications cables, poured stinking toxins into the wallspaces, concreted all the sinks and drains. In eight minutes, sixty people had ruined the building so thoroughly that it had to be condemned and later demolished.</p>
<p>The ensuing criminal investigation had not managed to apprehend, convict, or even identify a single one of the &#8220;rioters.&#8221; Once fuller attention had been paid to the Worcester bank, a number of grave financial irregularities had surfaced. The scandal eventually led to the resignation of three Massachusetts state representatives and the jailing of four bank executives and the mayor of Worcester. The Worcester banking scandal had become a major issue in the ensuing U.S. Senate campaign.</i></p>
<p>You think we&#8217;re not gonna start seeing that kinda flash mob stuff in real life?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - must reread that one before the first Tuesday in Nov!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8211; must reread that one before the first Tuesday in Nov!</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/07/the-gloves-are-off/#comment-209769</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Each election is gonna get weirder than the last.&quot;

Speaking of which, there&#039;s a great line in Bruce Sterling&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Distraction-Bruce-Sterling/dp/0553576399/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1223476788&amp;sr=8-2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Distraction&lt;/a&gt;, set in a US 35 years from now which is dismantling and reshaping itself like the USSR in the early 1990s, where the incoming President, a billionaire Amerindian right wing populist Democrat timber baron from Colorado says to another character (and I paraphrase here) - &quot;I&#039;ve only got two months in office max before this administration gets hamstrung like every other by the usual circus of special investigations and inquiries. So I&#039;m gonna act now even before I take the oath of office. That way I have maximum deniability.&quot;

Meanwhile a bankrupt US Air Force is running roadblock/cookie sales to pay for the power bills on its bases, charismatic Southern Governors are leading breakaway regions and hi-tech nomad tribes roam the greenhouse and dust bowl states. And what&#039;s left of a coherent Federal Government tries to conduct a cold war with a Europe that barely notices and doesn&#039;t care. While China has just flooded the internet with everyone&#039;s data, utterly, completely and finally collapsing the notion of copyright,IP or privacy for ever.

Most believable fictional future I&#039;ve read so far. Certainly makes me hard to get excited anymore about the current Prez candidates&#039; pissweak suggestions for how to keep the US as it was for another four years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Each election is gonna get weirder than the last.&#8221;</p>
<p>Speaking of which, there&#8217;s a great line in Bruce Sterling&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Distraction-Bruce-Sterling/dp/0553576399/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1223476788&amp;sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">Distraction</a>, set in a US 35 years from now which is dismantling and reshaping itself like the USSR in the early 1990s, where the incoming President, a billionaire Amerindian right wing populist Democrat timber baron from Colorado says to another character (and I paraphrase here) &#8211; &#8220;I&#8217;ve only got two months in office max before this administration gets hamstrung like every other by the usual circus of special investigations and inquiries. So I&#8217;m gonna act now even before I take the oath of office. That way I have maximum deniability.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile a bankrupt US Air Force is running roadblock/cookie sales to pay for the power bills on its bases, charismatic Southern Governors are leading breakaway regions and hi-tech nomad tribes roam the greenhouse and dust bowl states. And what&#8217;s left of a coherent Federal Government tries to conduct a cold war with a Europe that barely notices and doesn&#8217;t care. While China has just flooded the internet with everyone&#8217;s data, utterly, completely and finally collapsing the notion of copyright,IP or privacy for ever.</p>
<p>Most believable fictional future I&#8217;ve read so far. Certainly makes me hard to get excited anymore about the current Prez candidates&#8217; pissweak suggestions for how to keep the US as it was for another four years.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So will Hillary.&quot;

You reckon Obamara will be a one term President?  I suppose it&#039;s quite possible. Strange days are ahead for the American body politic. Each election is gonna get weirder than the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So will Hillary.&#8221;</p>
<p>You reckon Obamara will be a one term President?  I suppose it&#8217;s quite possible. Strange days are ahead for the American body politic. Each election is gonna get weirder than the last.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh she’ll be back in 2012.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So will Hillary.

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh she’ll be back in 2012.</p></blockquote>
<p>So will Hillary.</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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