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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/08/no-space-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-529239</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna Winter:

Truly amazing.

You&#039;ve put up a serious topic .... the lack of space that is still public - and - an almost casual use of bureaucratic power to stifle public expression of displeasure.

Yet in two-and-a-half days there have been only a meagre thirteen comments.   Why?  These are two matters that eventually affect all of us in one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna Winter:</p>
<p>Truly amazing.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve put up a serious topic &#8230;. the lack of space that is still public &#8211; and &#8211; an almost casual use of bureaucratic power to stifle public expression of displeasure.</p>
<p>Yet in two-and-a-half days there have been only a meagre thirteen comments.   Why?  These are two matters that eventually affect all of us in one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crankynick [10] and Dave [11]:

Thanks .... can&#039;t say I have ever seen the Cockburn Gazette on sale at the newsagent&#039;s in town over on this side of Australia.  :-)

When you look at all the &quot;celebrity&quot; trivia and utter drivel dished up to us day in day out, perhaps you can understand my annoyance at not being informed about a serious and egregious bureaucratic attempt to silence a legitamate community protest.   

Maybe it&#039;s because I lived in Queensland during the worst years of Joh&#039;s rule and don&#039;t like to see the same sort of thing happen to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crankynick [10] and Dave [11]:</p>
<p>Thanks &#8230;. can&#8217;t say I have ever seen the Cockburn Gazette on sale at the newsagent&#8217;s in town over on this side of Australia.  <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>When you look at all the &#8220;celebrity&#8221; trivia and utter drivel dished up to us day in day out, perhaps you can understand my annoyance at not being informed about a serious and egregious bureaucratic attempt to silence a legitamate community protest.   </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because I lived in Queensland during the worst years of Joh&#8217;s rule and don&#8217;t like to see the same sort of thing happen to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham Bell - this was headline news. The story ran on the front page of the Cockburn Gazette. You can find more updates and local headlines at www.inmycommunity.com.au</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham Bell &#8211; this was headline news. The story ran on the front page of the Cockburn Gazette. You can find more updates and local headlines at <a href="http://www.inmycommunity.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.inmycommunity.com.au</a></p>
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		<title>By: crankynick</title>
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		<dc:creator>crankynick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham @ 7 -

&lt;blockquote&lt;yet when something like this happens, I read about it on a blog and not in the newspapers nor see it on TV nor hear about it on radio.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To be fair, the story did run on a local news site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham @ 7 -</p>
<p>&lt;blockquote&lt;yet when something like this happens, I read about it on a blog and not in the newspapers nor see it on TV nor hear about it on radio.</p>
<p>To be fair, the story did run on a local news site.</p>
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		<title>By: paul walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tig Tog,#8 
First time ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tig Tog,#8<br />
First time ever.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, because local shopping centres couldn’t possibly see the advantage of being on the council’s good side. It’s not like they deal with planning or anything like that….&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess I&#039;m just used to municipalities where the developer-council relationship is one where the developers are the ones issuing edicts, not the councillors.  How refreshing to learn that there might be some places where this isn&#039;t so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, because local shopping centres couldn’t possibly see the advantage of being on the council’s good side. It’s not like they deal with planning or anything like that….</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m just used to municipalities where the developer-council relationship is one where the developers are the ones issuing edicts, not the councillors.  How refreshing to learn that there might be some places where this isn&#8217;t so.</p>
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		<title>By: Víðarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Víðarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much is made about getting rid of our three tiers of government with the States always being the ones raised for the chop, but for mine there is a worse performance and more ingrained corruption happening at the local level than at the State level, and this is the area that needs urgent reformation. I have gone through this long ingrained poor performance and corruption with the local councils in my area, Wollongong and Shoalhaven and they have been worse than the NSW government, and that&#039;s saying something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much is made about getting rid of our three tiers of government with the States always being the ones raised for the chop, but for mine there is a worse performance and more ingrained corruption happening at the local level than at the State level, and this is the area that needs urgent reformation. I have gone through this long ingrained poor performance and corruption with the local councils in my area, Wollongong and Shoalhaven and they have been worse than the NSW government, and that&#8217;s saying something.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone:

We have had all the hullaballoo in the news[?] media about the evils of terrorism .... yet when something like this happens, I read about it on a blog and not in the newspapers nor see it on TV nor hear about it on radio.

It is important news.  It is news we in Queensland [or Tasmania or wherever] have been denied.

Here is a local government organization using its constituents money to carry out actions that correspond to one of the main aims of terrorist organizations .... that is, to silence dissent and the reasonable expression of community displeasure.

That should have been headline news.

I&#039;m not exaggerating.  The difference is only in degree and in actual methods used.

Of course there is a world of difference between the use of bureaucratic power to stifle protest and the use of murderous force to stifle protest .... but the result is the same .... and those in the community who try to object to egregious wrongs are shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone:</p>
<p>We have had all the hullaballoo in the news[?] media about the evils of terrorism &#8230;. yet when something like this happens, I read about it on a blog and not in the newspapers nor see it on TV nor hear about it on radio.</p>
<p>It is important news.  It is news we in Queensland [or Tasmania or wherever] have been denied.</p>
<p>Here is a local government organization using its constituents money to carry out actions that correspond to one of the main aims of terrorist organizations &#8230;. that is, to silence dissent and the reasonable expression of community displeasure.</p>
<p>That should have been headline news.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not exaggerating.  The difference is only in degree and in actual methods used.</p>
<p>Of course there is a world of difference between the use of bureaucratic power to stifle protest and the use of murderous force to stifle protest &#8230;. but the result is the same &#8230;. and those in the community who try to object to egregious wrongs are shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the story, the shopping centres were asking them to leave, claiming they&#039;d been informed by the council. J&#039;s right, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the story, the shopping centres were asking them to leave, claiming they&#8217;d been informed by the council. J&#8217;s right, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: j.</title>
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		<dc:creator>j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, because local shopping centres couldn&#039;t possibly see the advantage of being on the council&#039;s good side. It&#039;s not like they deal with planning or anything like that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, because local shopping centres couldn&#8217;t possibly see the advantage of being on the council&#8217;s good side. It&#8217;s not like they deal with planning or anything like that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;According to a report in Cockburn’s local community newspaper this week, staff at the council have been contacting shopping centres asking them to remove the protestors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

*boggle*  Obviously this is a shocking move on behalf of the council, but who on earth at the local shopping centre has been listening to them?  Or is that the point of the story - that the shopping centre staff have been falling down laughing at these &quot;requests&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>According to a report in Cockburn’s local community newspaper this week, staff at the council have been contacting shopping centres asking them to remove the protestors.</p></blockquote>
<p>*boggle*  Obviously this is a shocking move on behalf of the council, but who on earth at the local shopping centre has been listening to them?  Or is that the point of the story &#8211; that the shopping centre staff have been falling down laughing at these &#8220;requests&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of problems, alister? Do people try to prevent you walking through the area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of problems, alister? Do people try to prevent you walking through the area?</p>
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		<title>By: alister</title>
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		<dc:creator>alister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve had the same problem getting to public housing estates to leaflet them in local, state and federal elections.  And this is - supposedly - public space.  This isn&#039;t just the towers in Docklands etc, although the same problem applies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve had the same problem getting to public housing estates to leaflet them in local, state and federal elections.  And this is &#8211; supposedly &#8211; public space.  This isn&#8217;t just the towers in Docklands etc, although the same problem applies.</p>
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