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		<title>By: Polyquats</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/08/obama-mccain-debate-open-thread/#comment-209942</link>
		<dc:creator>Polyquats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the New York Times:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/weekinreview/05schwartz.html?em&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Who You Callin’ a Maverick?&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;But to those who know the history of the word, applying it to Mr. McCain is a bit of a stretch — and to one Texas family in particular it is even a bit offensive.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the New York Times:<br />
<a href="http://www.www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/weekinreview/05schwartz.html?em" rel="nofollow">Who You Callin’ a Maverick?</a></p>
<p>&#8220;But to those who know the history of the word, applying it to Mr. McCain is a bit of a stretch — and to one Texas family in particular it is even a bit offensive.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kemp.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/08/obama-mccain-debate-open-thread/#comment-209941</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kemp.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;if McCain &amp; Palin do not directly address this hatred,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think they are encouraging it Bernice--nothing left to do since they are losing so badly on the policy/debate fronts as shown in polling. Bush senior&#039;s campaign against Dukakis with the Willy Horton ads was a tea party compared to this. Note the racist overtones of what Palin is saying and McCain&#039;s clear contempt for Obama.

The ends justify the means and it&#039;s a disgrace--and it will probably get worse.

(OTOH, one way to look at it is whoever is the victor, the &quot;poisoned chalice&quot; factor may well apply.)

It&#039;s notable that neither candidate has enough intestinal fortitude to start questioning the exceptionalist doctrine. That bitter pill will be swallowed slowly in the next year or so I believe.

(Obama if elected btw might have to revise his health care policy if it can&#039;t be paid for with borrowed money.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>if McCain &amp; Palin do not directly address this hatred,</p></blockquote>
<p>I think they are encouraging it Bernice&#8211;nothing left to do since they are losing so badly on the policy/debate fronts as shown in polling. Bush senior&#8217;s campaign against Dukakis with the Willy Horton ads was a tea party compared to this. Note the racist overtones of what Palin is saying and McCain&#8217;s clear contempt for Obama.</p>
<p>The ends justify the means and it&#8217;s a disgrace&#8211;and it will probably get worse.</p>
<p>(OTOH, one way to look at it is whoever is the victor, the &#8220;poisoned chalice&#8221; factor may well apply.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s notable that neither candidate has enough intestinal fortitude to start questioning the exceptionalist doctrine. That bitter pill will be swallowed slowly in the next year or so I believe.</p>
<p>(Obama if elected btw might have to revise his health care policy if it can&#8217;t be paid for with borrowed money.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bernice</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/08/obama-mccain-debate-open-thread/#comment-209940</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That moment, that moment when McCain speaking about an Energy Bill sponsored by Cheney &amp; Bush, then asking &quot;Who voted for it?&quot;, leaning slightly forward, dropping his voice and pointing across at Obama &quot;That one.&quot;

If McCain again fails to address an audience at a rally or meeting when they call for Obama&#039;s killing, screech that he is a terrorist - if McCain &amp; Palin do not directly address this hatred, well, their tacit support of this madness is chilling, appalling and beyond the prize they covet. I am appalled, truly truly appalled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That moment, that moment when McCain speaking about an Energy Bill sponsored by Cheney &amp; Bush, then asking &#8220;Who voted for it?&#8221;, leaning slightly forward, dropping his voice and pointing across at Obama &#8220;That one.&#8221;</p>
<p>If McCain again fails to address an audience at a rally or meeting when they call for Obama&#8217;s killing, screech that he is a terrorist &#8211; if McCain &amp; Palin do not directly address this hatred, well, their tacit support of this madness is chilling, appalling and beyond the prize they covet. I am appalled, truly truly appalled.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starting to look like the battle for Presidency was over when Hilary conceded the primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starting to look like the battle for Presidency was over when Hilary conceded the primary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate Silver thinks all reliable metrics show Obama the winner:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/post-debate-thoughts-or-lack-thereof.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate Silver thinks all reliable metrics show Obama the winner:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/post-debate-thoughts-or-lack-thereof.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/post-debate-thoughts-or-lack-thereof.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;according to a Fox News ring-in poll&lt;/i&gt;
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Impeccable source of unclouded information that I&#039;m sure. If the Yanks elect McCain they&#039;re too stupid to have democracy and deserve to lose it. Maybe Obama&#039;s all hot air but really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>according to a Fox News ring-in poll</i><br />
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Impeccable source of unclouded information that I&#8217;m sure. If the Yanks elect McCain they&#8217;re too stupid to have democracy and deserve to lose it. Maybe Obama&#8217;s all hot air but really.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;slimiest&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;slimiest&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/08/obama-mccain-debate-open-thread/#comment-209935</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Slimest&quot;, tee-hee, I love a good Freudian slip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Slimest&#8221;, tee-hee, I love a good Freudian slip.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/08/obama-mccain-debate-open-thread/#comment-209934</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the FOX NEWS crew did that long ago,how they can prattle on about the US election and not be arrested for fraud has me beat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the FOX NEWS crew did that long ago,how they can prattle on about the US election and not be arrested for fraud has me beat</p>
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		<title>By: JohnL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well McCain has done it again – at least according to a Fox News ring-in poll, which shows 87 per cent say he won, against 11 per cent for Obama and 1 per cent undecided.  Don&#039;t know where that other 1 per cent went - perhaps a tie.  The poll results obliterate whatever was left of the Fox News credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well McCain has done it again – at least according to a Fox News ring-in poll, which shows 87 per cent say he won, against 11 per cent for Obama and 1 per cent undecided.  Don&#8217;t know where that other 1 per cent went &#8211; perhaps a tie.  The poll results obliterate whatever was left of the Fox News credibility.</p>
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