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		<title>By: Yaz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/17/two-transport-proposals/#comment-211491</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wizofaus,
Not defending the helmet laws, just commenting on them. As I have come of cycling age since they were introduced I do not feel they are too onerous. I am amused at the strange sensations of bicycle joy that I get when I accidentally forget my helmet, however as soon as I notice this sensation, my joy disappears, and I merely feel vulnerable!

At least we aren&#039;t all still wearing stackhats (shudder).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wizofaus,<br />
Not defending the helmet laws, just commenting on them. As I have come of cycling age since they were introduced I do not feel they are too onerous. I am amused at the strange sensations of bicycle joy that I get when I accidentally forget my helmet, however as soon as I notice this sensation, my joy disappears, and I merely feel vulnerable!</p>
<p>At least we aren&#8217;t all still wearing stackhats (shudder).</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/17/two-transport-proposals/#comment-211490</link>
		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, my experience is the same as yours basically. Takes me 30 minutes to work on the bike, 35 on the train - though now I walk a bit further to Footscray station to avoid the sydenham line and get a Willy line train so it takes a bit longer.

When riding I can measure my performance against cars quite often, and if the traffic&#039;s heavy I always win along Dynon road.

There’s a couple of quite dangerous spots on Dynon Rd that I’ve written to both Council and VicRoads to fix, but they both replied expressing a distinct lack of interest. No priority. One particular intersection all I wanted was a give way to cyclists and pedestrians sign, just a reminder of what is legal. VicRoads said they didn’t want to sign every intersection because the onus should be on the drivers to know. That’s great, a comfort to me when I almost get wiped out once or twice a month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, my experience is the same as yours basically. Takes me 30 minutes to work on the bike, 35 on the train &#8211; though now I walk a bit further to Footscray station to avoid the sydenham line and get a Willy line train so it takes a bit longer.</p>
<p>When riding I can measure my performance against cars quite often, and if the traffic&#8217;s heavy I always win along Dynon road.</p>
<p>There’s a couple of quite dangerous spots on Dynon Rd that I’ve written to both Council and VicRoads to fix, but they both replied expressing a distinct lack of interest. No priority. One particular intersection all I wanted was a give way to cyclists and pedestrians sign, just a reminder of what is legal. VicRoads said they didn’t want to sign every intersection because the onus should be on the drivers to know. That’s great, a comfort to me when I almost get wiped out once or twice a month.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/17/two-transport-proposals/#comment-211489</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mal,

The HUN is pretty notorious for it&#039;s anti cycling threads (although that comment thread at ninemsn when the incident in Sydney happened last May was very similar in sentiment).

It&#039;s high time car licenses were issued as a privilege, not a birthright.  bi-annual testing at the motorists expense ought to fix it along with psychological profiling :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mal,</p>
<p>The HUN is pretty notorious for it&#8217;s anti cycling threads (although that comment thread at ninemsn when the incident in Sydney happened last May was very similar in sentiment).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s high time car licenses were issued as a privilege, not a birthright.  bi-annual testing at the motorists expense ought to fix it along with psychological profiling <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wizofaus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/17/two-transport-proposals/#comment-211488</link>
		<dc:creator>wizofaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yaz, if compulsory bicycle helment laws are the difference between a class of people choosing to drive instead of riding, then the helmet laws have effectively made those people far more likely to be involved in a serious accident.
If, for instance, the probabilities of serious injury or death occurring for various modes of transport on an average trip were:

* cycling with a helmet: .1%
* cycling without a helment: .2%
* driving: .5%

but compulsory helmet laws caused 1/4 of all cyclists to drive instead, then I&#039;m fairly sure the actual probability of somebody being injured or killed has increased, even though the cyclists are now twice as safe (assuming nobody rode with helmets to begin with).

I don&#039;t have real numbers, so I don&#039;t know the above phenomenon is real or not, but it&#039;s certainly plausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yaz, if compulsory bicycle helment laws are the difference between a class of people choosing to drive instead of riding, then the helmet laws have effectively made those people far more likely to be involved in a serious accident.<br />
If, for instance, the probabilities of serious injury or death occurring for various modes of transport on an average trip were:</p>
<p>* cycling with a helmet: .1%<br />
* cycling without a helment: .2%<br />
* driving: .5%</p>
<p>but compulsory helmet laws caused 1/4 of all cyclists to drive instead, then I&#8217;m fairly sure the actual probability of somebody being injured or killed has increased, even though the cyclists are now twice as safe (assuming nobody rode with helmets to begin with).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have real numbers, so I don&#8217;t know the above phenomenon is real or not, but it&#8217;s certainly plausible.</p>
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		<title>By: mal</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/17/two-transport-proposals/#comment-211487</link>
		<dc:creator>mal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to note that the Herald Sun accompanied the story that Dave Rubie with a poll &quot;Are cyclists responsible road users?&quot;. I mean WTF?

There&#039;s a companion comments thread &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24520482-661,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; which makes for some disturbing reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to note that the Herald Sun accompanied the story that Dave Rubie with a poll &#8220;Are cyclists responsible road users?&#8221;. I mean WTF?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a companion comments thread <a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24520482-661,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> which makes for some disturbing reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an interesting article in the AGE yesterday comparing the performance of a cyclist, a motorcyclist, a driver and a train traveller using a kind of road test on the same journey. It was interesting to me that the train traveller took 57 minutes and the cyclist 32 minutes. The cyclist was a lycra lout with a road bike, so I would expect I&#039;d take at least twice as long as he would but that would only make it about the same as taking the train. Furthermore it would have the enjoyment factor that, naturally, I don&#039;t get from taking the train.

In practice, it takes me longer to get to my work by bike than by train because I need to get to East melbourne from Footscray and after Footscray road I have to go up bloody horrible La Trobe street and then Victoria street, which is something I really hate, so I just ride to Footscray and train the rest of the way. Of course, this means this only happens relatively rarely as you can only do that off peak - they lifted the bike ban on trains but the overcrowding in peak hour makes it practically impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an interesting article in the AGE yesterday comparing the performance of a cyclist, a motorcyclist, a driver and a train traveller using a kind of road test on the same journey. It was interesting to me that the train traveller took 57 minutes and the cyclist 32 minutes. The cyclist was a lycra lout with a road bike, so I would expect I&#8217;d take at least twice as long as he would but that would only make it about the same as taking the train. Furthermore it would have the enjoyment factor that, naturally, I don&#8217;t get from taking the train.</p>
<p>In practice, it takes me longer to get to my work by bike than by train because I need to get to East melbourne from Footscray and after Footscray road I have to go up bloody horrible La Trobe street and then Victoria street, which is something I really hate, so I just ride to Footscray and train the rest of the way. Of course, this means this only happens relatively rarely as you can only do that off peak &#8211; they lifted the bike ban on trains but the overcrowding in peak hour makes it practically impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there&#039;s people who shouldn&#039;t be allowed out of their houses, let alone in control of a car:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24521812-1243,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;car driving and alcohol makes you stupid, fat and dangerous&lt;/a&gt;

Let&#039;s hope they catch the bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s people who shouldn&#8217;t be allowed out of their houses, let alone in control of a car:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24521812-1243,00.html" rel="nofollow">car driving and alcohol makes you stupid, fat and dangerous</a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope they catch the bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there&#039;s the people who never close their italics tags properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s the people who never close their italics tags properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/10/17/two-transport-proposals/#comment-211483</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I bet these are the same people who stop for a chat in a group six strong right outside the entrance to Fruity Capers in Toowong Village (it’s a big chokepoint in the shopping centre)

They&#039;re the same people that go through the turnstile to validate their ticket at the railway station, with a queue of people just behind them, and stop immediately at the exit of the damn turnstile to fish out their mobile and start yakking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I bet these are the same people who stop for a chat in a group six strong right outside the entrance to Fruity Capers in Toowong Village (it’s a big chokepoint in the shopping centre)</p>
<p>They&#8217;re the same people that go through the turnstile to validate their ticket at the railway station, with a queue of people just behind them, and stop immediately at the exit of the damn turnstile to fish out their mobile and start yakking!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Yaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, as many different opinions as there are cyclists.

As I understand it, 90% of all road fatalities are head injuries, which would be prevented by helmet wearing. We could massively reduce the road toll by legislating for all car occupants to wear helmets (now that&#039;s what I call a level playing field). As I understand, they prevent injury not just from the impact, but because the smooth plastic surface slides along the rough road surface slowing you down more gently that the quick stop if your head hit, which tends to break the neck leading to death or severe disablement.
As far as I know, the helmet laws initially caused a rise in cyclist fatalities, as many people stopped cycling, so cyclists were less visible and so more vulnerable, but as people have gotten used to the helmet laws, cycle fatalities per person riding are now lower than they were before the introduction of the laws, which I guess was the point of the laws.
So I may not like a helmet, but I&#039;d rather be dorky than dead, as getting hit by a car (non-fatally) certainly reminds you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, as many different opinions as there are cyclists.</p>
<p>As I understand it, 90% of all road fatalities are head injuries, which would be prevented by helmet wearing. We could massively reduce the road toll by legislating for all car occupants to wear helmets (now that&#8217;s what I call a level playing field). As I understand, they prevent injury not just from the impact, but because the smooth plastic surface slides along the rough road surface slowing you down more gently that the quick stop if your head hit, which tends to break the neck leading to death or severe disablement.<br />
As far as I know, the helmet laws initially caused a rise in cyclist fatalities, as many people stopped cycling, so cyclists were less visible and so more vulnerable, but as people have gotten used to the helmet laws, cycle fatalities per person riding are now lower than they were before the introduction of the laws, which I guess was the point of the laws.<br />
So I may not like a helmet, but I&#8217;d rather be dorky than dead, as getting hit by a car (non-fatally) certainly reminds you.</p>
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