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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might as well drop in and say hullo.
Good to hear from you Darline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might as well drop in and say hullo.<br />
Good to hear from you Darline.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not an easy way for your grandma to live her life &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But I know my grandmother wouldn&#039;t agree - the way she sees it, she&#039;s happy, other people have more serious problems than her and my &#039;psychologising&#039; is unfair and reductionistic.  And that&#039;s fair enough. For while I think it&#039;s a very good thing that we are starting to take a more trauma-informed view of mental illness, I think it may occasionally lead to &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; (not less) stigma and blaming, the imposition of totalising, deterministic narratives, and (usually unflattering) assumptions and expectations being made about one&#039;s current behaviour and level of functioning. I call it the &quot;You were fucked and now you&#039;re fucked&quot; argument, and I think this is one reason why my grandmother dislikes my formulation of her, although she would never put it so crudely!

From discussions with those doing research into PTSD, I gather that apart from one or two researchers who have enough clout to direct their own work, the work of Herman et al sadly hasn&#039;t caught on much in Australia, at least not in academic circles. I suspect that the concepts of &quot;complex PTSD&quot;, dissociation and similar are seen by many researchers as self-indulgent, hysterical Americanisms, borne of the same puritan panic as satanic ritual abuse, alien abductions and so forth. Trauma is still mostly conceived of as discrete, episodic and &quot;outside the range of normal human experience&quot; (i.e. &quot;real problems&quot; experienced by &quot;real men&quot;), as opposed to the chronic, common, interpersonal &quot;women&#039;s issues&quot; stuff. I gather you&#039;ve done a fair bit of reading around this topic, so I would be interested to hear more of your thoughts, if you are inclined to share them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not an easy way for your grandma to live her life </p></blockquote>
<p>But I know my grandmother wouldn&#8217;t agree &#8211; the way she sees it, she&#8217;s happy, other people have more serious problems than her and my &#8216;psychologising&#8217; is unfair and reductionistic.  And that&#8217;s fair enough. For while I think it&#8217;s a very good thing that we are starting to take a more trauma-informed view of mental illness, I think it may occasionally lead to <em>more</em> (not less) stigma and blaming, the imposition of totalising, deterministic narratives, and (usually unflattering) assumptions and expectations being made about one&#8217;s current behaviour and level of functioning. I call it the &#8220;You were fucked and now you&#8217;re fucked&#8221; argument, and I think this is one reason why my grandmother dislikes my formulation of her, although she would never put it so crudely!</p>
<p>From discussions with those doing research into PTSD, I gather that apart from one or two researchers who have enough clout to direct their own work, the work of Herman et al sadly hasn&#8217;t caught on much in Australia, at least not in academic circles. I suspect that the concepts of &#8220;complex PTSD&#8221;, dissociation and similar are seen by many researchers as self-indulgent, hysterical Americanisms, borne of the same puritan panic as satanic ritual abuse, alien abductions and so forth. Trauma is still mostly conceived of as discrete, episodic and &#8220;outside the range of normal human experience&#8221; (i.e. &#8220;real problems&#8221; experienced by &#8220;real men&#8221;), as opposed to the chronic, common, interpersonal &#8220;women&#8217;s issues&#8221; stuff. I gather you&#8217;ve done a fair bit of reading around this topic, so I would be interested to hear more of your thoughts, if you are inclined to share them.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that, Emma, and thanks for your beautifully insightful comment.

Not an easy way for your grandma to live her life: always on red-alert, barely eating or sleeping, obsesssing about dirt etc. She must have been living like this for a long time, which sounds utterly exhausting. It&#039;s not hard to assume that she might crave having some control over her life and surroundings. It must have been hard for her to have to make that decision about her mother: treatment for the mentally ill isn&#039;t particularly pleasant these days, but in days gone by...not good at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, Emma, and thanks for your beautifully insightful comment.</p>
<p>Not an easy way for your grandma to live her life: always on red-alert, barely eating or sleeping, obsesssing about dirt etc. She must have been living like this for a long time, which sounds utterly exhausting. It&#8217;s not hard to assume that she might crave having some control over her life and surroundings. It must have been hard for her to have to make that decision about her mother: treatment for the mentally ill isn&#8217;t particularly pleasant these days, but in days gone by&#8230;not good at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this Darlene. The similarities between your great-grandmother&#039;s story and that of mine are uncanny - different town, different mental hospital, similar consequences down the generations. While her daughter, my grandmother, wouldn&#039;t qualify for a psychiatric diagnosis, she has a few quirks that I suspect are the result of growing up under the kind of circumstances that you describe. Like an efficient cheerfulness (that often seems forced), an obsession with dirt and dust (the house where she grew up was always a mess) and a reluctance to either save money or spend it on herself (she was the family breadwinner from her early teens, and anything she kept for herself would be stolen by her father and spent on booze). She seems to be permanently on red-alert, and she barely eats or sleeps. I&#039;ve long been frightened that someday, &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt; will happen that will combine with a lifetime of unattended sorrow to kick out what I imagine to be her carefully constructed yet still fragile foundations and then it will be my mother&#039;s job to give permission for her ECT, just as it was her job to give permission for my great-grandmother&#039;s. But perhaps this is over-theorising, or just projection, and she has more resources at her disposal than I can conceive of?  I should give her a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this Darlene. The similarities between your great-grandmother&#8217;s story and that of mine are uncanny &#8211; different town, different mental hospital, similar consequences down the generations. While her daughter, my grandmother, wouldn&#8217;t qualify for a psychiatric diagnosis, she has a few quirks that I suspect are the result of growing up under the kind of circumstances that you describe. Like an efficient cheerfulness (that often seems forced), an obsession with dirt and dust (the house where she grew up was always a mess) and a reluctance to either save money or spend it on herself (she was the family breadwinner from her early teens, and anything she kept for herself would be stolen by her father and spent on booze). She seems to be permanently on red-alert, and she barely eats or sleeps. I&#8217;ve long been frightened that someday, <em>something</em> will happen that will combine with a lifetime of unattended sorrow to kick out what I imagine to be her carefully constructed yet still fragile foundations and then it will be my mother&#8217;s job to give permission for her ECT, just as it was her job to give permission for my great-grandmother&#8217;s. But perhaps this is over-theorising, or just projection, and she has more resources at her disposal than I can conceive of?  I should give her a call.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s true, Jamie. Bendigo is a thriving town. Perhaps it&#039;s the nature of how these towns get their money (e.g. a town that has in the past depending on gold mining might be in a more precarious situation these days if they haven&#039;t found anything to replace it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s true, Jamie. Bendigo is a thriving town. Perhaps it&#8217;s the nature of how these towns get their money (e.g. a town that has in the past depending on gold mining might be in a more precarious situation these days if they haven&#8217;t found anything to replace it).</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame to hear St Arnold has a number of vacant shops, but I think that is probably true for a number of the smaller regional Victorian towns. Nearby &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bendigo.ws/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bendigo&lt;/a&gt; is thriving and even &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.echuca.ws/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Echuca&lt;/a&gt; with its tourism appears to be doing ok, and not to far away &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beechworth.com.au/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beechworth&lt;/a&gt; keeps on ticking though it does have a few vacant shops at the moment. Will be interesting to see what the next 18 months holds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame to hear St Arnold has a number of vacant shops, but I think that is probably true for a number of the smaller regional Victorian towns. Nearby <a href="http://www.bendigo.ws/" rel="nofollow">Bendigo</a> is thriving and even <a href="http://www.echuca.ws/" rel="nofollow">Echuca</a> with its tourism appears to be doing ok, and not to far away <a href="http://www.beechworth.com.au/" rel="nofollow">Beechworth</a> keeps on ticking though it does have a few vacant shops at the moment. Will be interesting to see what the next 18 months holds</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David. Hope things go well for you.

I love that idea of being a witness to other people&#039;s experiences. It&#039;s so important.

After my recent experience of being diagnosed with a mental ilness (disorder - whatever the shrinks call it), I found hearing other people&#039;s experiences of living with the disorder and also recovering from it to be incredibly important. Very exciting to come across the work of experts like the feminist clinician Judith Herman as well.

Being part of a community and having our lives validated are important for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David. Hope things go well for you.</p>
<p>I love that idea of being a witness to other people&#8217;s experiences. It&#8217;s so important.</p>
<p>After my recent experience of being diagnosed with a mental ilness (disorder &#8211; whatever the shrinks call it), I found hearing other people&#8217;s experiences of living with the disorder and also recovering from it to be incredibly important. Very exciting to come across the work of experts like the feminist clinician Judith Herman as well.</p>
<p>Being part of a community and having our lives validated are important for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: David K</title>
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		<dc:creator>David K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gday Darlene.
How are you going?
Its been awhile.
Good call on community and sense of belonging.
I&#039;d also like to add &quot; to be a witness to each others lives and sharing experiences together, taking care of each other&quot;
All of this can help folks through life.
It builds a sense of community, strength, resilience and a sense that you are not alone.
I believe anyway.
Hope you are well mate.
Regards
David K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gday Darlene.<br />
How are you going?<br />
Its been awhile.<br />
Good call on community and sense of belonging.<br />
I&#8217;d also like to add &#8221; to be a witness to each others lives and sharing experiences together, taking care of each other&#8221;<br />
All of this can help folks through life.<br />
It builds a sense of community, strength, resilience and a sense that you are not alone.<br />
I believe anyway.<br />
Hope you are well mate.<br />
Regards<br />
David K</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>parartus, don&#039;t know how big the town was when you lived there. Apparently, there&#039;s about 3000 people there now (which one website promoting the town describes as &quot;substantial&quot;). Hmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parartus, don&#8217;t know how big the town was when you lived there. Apparently, there&#8217;s about 3000 people there now (which one website promoting the town describes as &#8220;substantial&#8221;). Hmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: paul walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>parartus.
This reminds me. A few years ago there was a report about a stand of woodland out that way that was the last remaining habitat for a rare species of parrot. It looked like Bracks was going to allow it, but never saw a final report.
Could you help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parartus.<br />
This reminds me. A few years ago there was a report about a stand of woodland out that way that was the last remaining habitat for a rare species of parrot. It looked like Bracks was going to allow it, but never saw a final report.<br />
Could you help?</p>
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