Comments on: The perils of celebrity: Julie Bishop, Peter Van Onselen, MUP and plagiarism http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:11:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Franklin http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202996 Franklin Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:59:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202996 Louise Adler has turned MUP into Who Weekly. Louise Adler has turned MUP into Who Weekly.

]]> By: feral sparrowhawk http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202995 feral sparrowhawk Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:52:52 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202995 I don't see why MUP should withdraw the book. Shouldn't they just stick an insert in indicating the problems? That a) means that other chapters still get out there, whatever their merits and b) means that the sins of the guilty are not forgotten by anyone who reads it. I'm also not sure this is all that embarrassing for Adler. I think she just gave them plenty of rope. I don’t see why MUP should withdraw the book. Shouldn’t they just stick an insert in indicating the problems? That a) means that other chapters still get out there, whatever their merits and b) means that the sins of the guilty are not forgotten by anyone who reads it.

I’m also not sure this is all that embarrassing for Adler. I think she just gave them plenty of rope.

]]> By: Ambigulous http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202994 Ambigulous Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:29:17 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202994 Louise Adler - often in the news, but embarrassing every time. Louise Adler – often in the news, but embarrassing every time.

]]> By: derrida derider http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202993 derrida derider Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:35:14 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202993 Poor Louise Adler. I just read that link to her - she really was very, very naive. She wanted them to "flex intellectual muscles", but she should have known that Howard didn't select Ministers on the basis of possessing such muscles. Mind you, Howard may have been right. An interest in ideas is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition to be a politically successful Minister, and intellectual audacity is a distinct disadvantage (that's why Tony Abbott never made the top). Chronic workaholism, political experience and unquestioning loyalty are far more useful qualities for a PM to have in his Cabinet. I suspect that Nelson and (especially) Bishop offloaded the task simply because they knew they were incapable of it. Poor Louise Adler. I just read that link to her – she really was very, very naive. She wanted them to “flex intellectual muscles”, but she should have known that Howard didn’t select Ministers on the basis of possessing such muscles.

Mind you, Howard may have been right. An interest in ideas is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition to be a politically successful Minister, and intellectual audacity is a distinct disadvantage (that’s why Tony Abbott never made the top). Chronic workaholism, political experience and unquestioning loyalty are far more useful qualities for a PM to have in his Cabinet.

I suspect that Nelson and (especially) Bishop offloaded the task simply because they knew they were incapable of it.

]]> By: Shaun http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202992 Shaun Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:04:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202992 I bet after the Young Libs have purged unis of lefty scholars, relaxing the rules concerning plagiarism will be their next campaign. I bet after the Young Libs have purged unis of lefty scholars, relaxing the rules concerning plagiarism will be their next campaign.

]]> By: joe2 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202991 joe2 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:20:32 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202991 Of course, as a reminder, the most notorious piece of plagiarism by a "liberal" was the unwork of a Canadian cousin. You have to wonder, though, whether Howard was saved from embarrassment, only, by reading a provided script first. http://brasschecktv.com/page/439.html Of course, as a reminder, the most notorious piece of plagiarism by a “liberal” was the unwork of a Canadian cousin. You have to wonder, though, whether Howard was saved from embarrassment, only, by reading a provided script first.
http://brasschecktv.com/page/439.html

]]> By: Helen http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202990 Helen Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:06:16 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202990 Thirded - if Brandis is wingnutty enough to seriously write about Greens being equal to the Nazi movement, there's no telling what fruity stuff he'll come up with in the future. Avoid, avoid. Thirded – if Brandis is wingnutty enough to seriously write about Greens being equal to the Nazi movement, there’s no telling what fruity stuff he’ll come up with in the future. Avoid, avoid.

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202989 Paul Burns Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:59:33 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202989 Yeah, Brandis did give us "Ratty" but that's the beginning and end of his contribution to non-right politics. As for the plagiarism - we had eleven years of lies under Howard and his flunkies. What makes anybody think they'd start telling the truth once they were in Opposition. The Coalition, and especially the Libs operate under the principle, never tell the truth when a lie will do. Yeah, Brandis did give us “Ratty” but that’s the beginning and end of his contribution to non-right politics. As for the plagiarism – we had eleven years of lies under Howard and his flunkies. What makes anybody think they’d start telling the truth once they were in Opposition. The Coalition, and especially the Libs operate under the principle, never tell the truth when a lie will do.

]]> By: David Rubie http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202988 David Rubie Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:14:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202988 I read the Brandis extract in the paper - it just looks like a bit of typical "sniffing the wind" change of rhetoric that already stunk it's way through some of the think tanks about 18 months ago. Who really know what his black little heart would reveal if plucked still beating from his chest. Lets find out! I read the Brandis extract in the paper – it just looks like a bit of typical “sniffing the wind” change of rhetoric that already stunk it’s way through some of the think tanks about 18 months ago. Who really know what his black little heart would reveal if plucked still beating from his chest. Lets find out!

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202987 Mark Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:11:32 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/02/the-perils-of-celebrity-julie-bishop-peter-van-onselen-mup-and-plagiarism/#comment-202987 I doubt anyone acquainted with Senator Brandis would see him as some glorious saviour of small l liberal principle - I'm with Antonio on this one. I doubt anyone acquainted with Senator Brandis would see him as some glorious saviour of small l liberal principle – I’m with Antonio on this one.

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