Comments on: US election: What to expect and what to watch http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:53:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: wbb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203291 wbb Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:42:44 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203291 <blockquote>Have you been watching the 04 doc on SBS, wbb?</blockquote> Bin watching so much USA TV lately that I probably have. I'ts all bit of a blur round about now though. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/opinion/05wed4.html" rel="nofollow">NYT</a> has a go at a solution above. Not one that might come to mind in this country however. Still, it's the thought that counts.

Have you been watching the 04 doc on SBS, wbb?

Bin watching so much USA TV lately that I probably have. I’ts all bit of a blur round about now though.

NYT has a go at a solution above. Not one that might come to mind in this country however.

Still, it’s the thought that counts.

]]> By: paul walter http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203290 paul walter Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:46:21 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203290 I suppose we could add Ford and Rouge river, the "Dust Bowl", the "Strange Fruit" dangling enmasse of trees and lamposts in the Deep South and remark that today's "reaction" is but a pale imitation of a horribly violent and subsequently botoxed historical period. America learned to offshore its poverty to the third world, so in the significant sense nothing has changed, of course, except that America ( Australia included )has become a giant middle class suburb ( compared to the Third World ) and the violence happens elsewhere. I suppose we could add Ford and Rouge river, the “Dust Bowl”, the “Strange Fruit” dangling enmasse of trees and lamposts in the Deep South and remark that today’s “reaction”
is but a pale imitation of a horribly violent and subsequently botoxed historical period.
America learned to offshore its poverty to the third world, so in the significant sense nothing has changed, of course, except that America ( Australia included )has become a giant middle class suburb ( compared to the Third World ) and the violence happens elsewhere.

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203289 Kim Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:02:36 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203289 <b>Update</b>: <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit.html" rel="nofollow">Nate Silver</a> on ten reasons why you should ignore exit polls. Update: Nate Silver on ten reasons why you should ignore exit polls.

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203288 Kim Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:48:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203288 <blockquote>Kim - forgive if you’ve discussed this already this time round- but why the hell isn’t there a popular revolt over the voting queues? It’s a worse joke than I had imagined.</blockquote> Have you been watching the 04 doc on SBS, wbb? Yes, it's a disgrace. Particularly the difference in resources in many places between upscale and downscale precincts (others might say white and black). In a way, the 30% early voting speaks volumes about what people think. But this is one of the big things about US politics generally - it's freaking unresponsive to popular opinion. That's one of the reasons why the Obama change message has been so powerful, because a lot of people really are fed up.

Kim – forgive if you’ve discussed this already this time round- but why the hell isn’t there a popular revolt over the voting queues? It’s a worse joke than I had imagined.

Have you been watching the 04 doc on SBS, wbb?

Yes, it’s a disgrace. Particularly the difference in resources in many places between upscale and downscale precincts (others might say white and black). In a way, the 30% early voting speaks volumes about what people think. But this is one of the big things about US politics generally – it’s freaking unresponsive to popular opinion. That’s one of the reasons why the Obama change message has been so powerful, because a lot of people really are fed up.

]]> By: huggybunny http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203287 huggybunny Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:28:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203287 Ambigulous; From http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2004/04/ftr-448-coup-attempt-of-1934.html A rather neat summary of the events around 1934. You only get one guess at the name of one conspirator; his name began with B - rhymes with push. In observation of the 70th anniversary of the event, this program recounts the 1934 fascist coup attempt in the United States. Appalled at President Roosevelt’s New Deal, powerful industrialists and financiers grouped around the Morgan industrial and financial interests attempted to recruit World War I veterans into an army of insurrection. The goal of the conspirators was the overthrow of American democracy and the institution of a fascist government. Because they selected Marine Corps general Smedley Buter to lead the coup, the attempt was foiled. Although a critic of Roosevelt, Butler (a two-time winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor) betrayed the coup plotters to the President. Following a badly attenuated Congressional investigation by the McCormack-Dickstein Committee, the matter was laid to rest. It is worth noting that proof of the plot was concrete and well-documented, but none of the plotters was imprisoned, because the conspirators were among the most powerful and prestigious industrial and financial magnates in the country. Ambigulous; From http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2004/04/ftr-448-coup-attempt-of-1934.html
A rather neat summary of the events around 1934.
You only get one guess at the name of one conspirator; his name began with B – rhymes with push.

In observation of the 70th anniversary of the event, this program recounts the 1934 fascist coup attempt in the United States. Appalled at President Roosevelt’s New Deal, powerful industrialists and financiers grouped around the Morgan industrial and financial interests attempted to recruit World War I veterans into an army of insurrection. The goal of the conspirators was the overthrow of American democracy and the institution of a fascist government. Because they selected Marine Corps general Smedley Buter to lead the coup, the attempt was foiled. Although a critic of Roosevelt, Butler (a two-time winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor) betrayed the coup plotters to the President. Following a badly attenuated Congressional investigation by the McCormack-Dickstein Committee, the matter was laid to rest. It is worth noting that proof of the plot was concrete and well-documented, but none of the plotters was imprisoned, because the conspirators were among the most powerful and prestigious industrial and financial magnates in the country.

]]> By: wbb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203286 wbb Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:16:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203286 Kim - forgive if you've discussed this already this time round- but why the hell isn't there a popular revolt over the voting queues? It's a worse joke than I had imagined. Kim – forgive if you’ve discussed this already this time round- but why the hell isn’t there a popular revolt over the voting queues? It’s a worse joke than I had imagined.

]]> By: wbb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203285 wbb Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:14:28 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203285 Chris Mayer - try http://www.freeetv.com for CNN streaming. Chris Mayer – try http://www.freeetv.com for CNN streaming.

]]> By: huggybunny http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203284 huggybunny Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:56:20 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203284 Ambigulous Try:http://american_almanac.tripod.com/morgan4.htm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot A General called Smedley Butler was supposed to lead the army in revolt against FDR. Instead he blew the whistle. Took much effort to cover it all up. Huggy Ambigulous
Try:http://american_almanac.tripod.com/morgan4.htm
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
A General called Smedley Butler was supposed to lead the army in revolt against FDR.
Instead he blew the whistle. Took much effort to cover it all up.
Huggy

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203283 Kim Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:09:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203283 <b>Update</b>: Some interesting links from Xeni at <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/11/03/election-eve.html" rel="nofollow">Boing Boing</a>, including <a href="http://norvig.com/election-faq.html" rel="nofollow">an election FAQ</a>. James Ridgeway at <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/uselectionroadtrip/2008/nov/04/uselections-barack-obama" rel="nofollow">Comment is Free</a> looks at the structural barriers to change Obama will face (including those within the Democratic party). Update: Some interesting links from Xeni at Boing Boing, including an election FAQ.

James Ridgeway at Comment is Free looks at the structural barriers to change Obama will face (including those within the Democratic party).

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203282 Kim Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:04:18 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/03/us-election-what-to-expect-and-what-to-watch/#comment-203282 I wouldn't count Georgia out. And no one really knows how an increased turnout will play out in some of the Southern states. I wouldn’t count Georgia out.

And no one really knows how an increased turnout will play out in some of the Southern states.

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