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15 responses to “Arctic update II”

  1. paul walter

    This is the decade the Bushes and a corrupt high court in the US cost us collectively. Apparently Deh Fuhrer’s last White House acts are the signing off on a raft of anti environment bills before he takes his leave as he dumps his mess in the hands of an inexperienced Obama, at a time when Brian’s stats show things now probably beyond the point of no return.

  2. Brian

    Paul, not just with climate, unfortunately.

    The term “bellweather” was used in one of those reports. Arctic warming has also been called the “canary in the mine”.

    I think that white cap on top of the world is an indicator of how things are going. What it’s telling me is not that we just need a limit to warming, which is where virtually all the world’s politicians are heading, at best, but actual cooling.

  3. paul walter

    So we can’t hit the breaks either?
    Wait a minute, this is nineteen seventy two. The mushrooms will wear of shortly and a good nights sleep should see this all right…

  4. dylwah

    Thanks Brian, is there any idea of when the Wilkes Ice Shelf is going to finish up?

  5. Brian

    dylwah, I don’t know what’s next with the Wilkes Ice Shelf, so I googled and near the top of the list was a Jennifer Marohasy post the general drift of which was that it was all new ice and anyway there are heaps of active volcanoes warming things up down there.

    This is somehow supposed to be a comfort. The bottom line is that there is a net loss of ice down there each year and if the thing tips decisively it doesn’t have the topographic inhibitions which might slow Greenland’s melting down.

    Also following this link you get a map showing volcanic activity mostly in the West Antarctica area, where much of the bedrock is below sea level and the ice piled up is worth about 5 metres sea level rise worldwide.

    I guess that’s alright then, we can all relax!

  6. Hal9000

    Brian -

    I’ve been following your climate change posts here on LP over many months with great interest and mounting alarm. Please don’t take this comment as disrespectful, but the term ‘bellwether’ arises from the practice of shepherds to put a bell around the neck of a castrated male sheep (‘wether’) so the sound would alert them to where the flock could be found in conditions of darkness, inclement weather, steep topography or thick undergrowth. Wethers are, like steers and indeed MSM op-ed writers, unadventurous and content to remain with the herd at all times. Their infertility is another point of similarity with MSM op-ed writers, come to think of it.

    There ain’t no such word as ‘bellweather’.

    End of pedantic comment.

  7. paul walter

    Brian, why would you waste time and effort doing something as futile as reading Marohasy?
    That’s like reading Janet Albrechtsen, devoid of the intellectual component.

  8. Brian

    Hal9000, no offense. I knew all that stuff you mentioned, well some of it, about 50 years ago. Just another ‘senior moment’!

  9. The Feral Abacus

    Paul Walter: never under-estimate Jennifer Marohasy’s influence. She has a considerable following amongst middle-aged male public service managers. Hormonal masquerading as intellectual, I think.

  10. Brian

    TFA and Paul W you are both right. What was I thinking? Another senior moment perhaps? What surprised me was how high Marohasy was up on the list when I googled. I do sometimes read her posts to see the sport as Luke, Ender and a few others go toe to toe with the denialists. And sometimes there are interesting links.

    I should have looked to see what I had bookmarked, where there was this story from early July of the connection with Charcot Island hanging by a thread. There is some comment here and now I’ve found an animation.

    Surely the bridge cannot last the summer. Has anyone heard anything more recent?

    The bottom line, however, is whether the continent is losing ice in net terms, and whether West Antarctica becomes seriously destabilised.

  11. paul walter

    Thanks for linx. a) At last a real newspaper?
    b) Remain in awe of how dry it’s been in Adelaide this winter.
    A long term trend?

  12. Tyro Rex

    Michael Duffy at it again in the SMH

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/michael-duffy/truly-inconvenient-truths-being-ignored/2008/11/07/1225561134617.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

    What was really galling was the way it was featured on the front of the web site this morning.

  13. Brian

    Paul, the standard answer, I think, would be it’s too early to say, but it’s a worry when what you are getting fits in with the long term script of the rain-bearing winter circulation systems shifting polewards.

    We’ve had a distinct pattern here of the autumns becoming very dry, starting as early as February, and then depending on what seem to be exceptional events for most of our winter rain.

    T Rex, you’ve made my day. A couple of weeks ago I heard Duffy interview Lindzen so you can download the audio if you’ve got nothing better to do. Or follow the link to Lindzen’s paper where you can download a 36-page pdf and see:

    how political bodies act to control scientific institutions, how scientists adjust both data and even theory to accommodate politically correct positions, and how opposition to these positions is disposed of.

    Yet Hansen complains of missing out on funding because he won’t tell his political masters what they want to hear.

    Lindzen is rejecting the use of models as unscientific. My impression is that if you did your science his way you’d never be able to make decisions on mitigating GW before it was too late.

  14. Brian

    Marohasy picked this one up, of course. (No, I’m not going to link to her.) Part of what they are in a lather about was that Rajendra Pachauri was supposed to have put forward some horrendously erroneous and misleading information.

    There was a link provided in a comment to Pachauri’s 2008 Wallace Wurth Memorial Lecture. If you go to about 16 mins into the video you come to the part in question.

    He says that that global surface temperatures increased by 0.74C in the 20th century. If you draw a trend line through the 20th century graph and then draw another one through the last 50 years of the century you’ll notice that the trend is increasing at roughly double the rate in the second case, he says.

    This is the simple unadorned truth.

    But unless you assert as Duffy and co require that the graph has been flat for the last 10 years you are guilty of a heinous crime.

    Duffy should settle down and first explain to us why these graphs track each other so closely over hundreds of thousands of years and then have a look at Hansen’s explanation of the last 65 million years or so.

  15. Brian

    It’s been exceptionally cold in Alaska during the winter of 2007-8 and the summer of 2008. Anchorage had the third coldest summer on record, about 3C below the norm.

    This was naturally picked up by denialists and served up on my Google feed. Of course it has no significance unless repeated ad infinitum and matched by similarly cold temperatures elsewhere. When this sort of thing happens I usually find that it has been exceptionally warm somewhere else, curiously enough often further north.

    Sure enough, in the autumn a little further north, the temperature was 5C warmer than usual in the Arctic. If you follow the link to the Arctic Report Card for 2008 you find some other negatives including records set in both the duration and extent of summer surface melt in Greenland. It seems that the ice sheet lost at least 100 cubic km (24 cubic miles) of ice. Not good.

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