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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203833</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008360728_webglaciers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exceptionally cold in Alaska&lt;/a&gt; during the winter of 2007-8 and the summer of 2008. Anchorage had the third coldest summer on record, about 3C below the norm.

This was naturally picked up by denialists and served up on my Google feed. Of course it has no significance unless repeated ad infinitum and matched by similarly cold temperatures elsewhere. When this sort of thing happens I usually find that it has been exceptionally warm somewhere else, curiously enough often further north.

Sure enough, in the autumn a little further north, the temperature was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/10/arctic-report-c.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;5C warmer than usual&lt;/a&gt; in the Arctic. If you follow the link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Arctic Report Card for 2008&lt;/a&gt; you find some other negatives including records set in both the duration and extent of summer surface melt in Greenland. It seems that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/greenland.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the ice sheet lost at least 100 cubic km (24 cubic miles) of ice&lt;/a&gt;. Not good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008360728_webglaciers.html" rel="nofollow">exceptionally cold in Alaska</a> during the winter of 2007-8 and the summer of 2008. Anchorage had the third coldest summer on record, about 3C below the norm.</p>
<p>This was naturally picked up by denialists and served up on my Google feed. Of course it has no significance unless repeated ad infinitum and matched by similarly cold temperatures elsewhere. When this sort of thing happens I usually find that it has been exceptionally warm somewhere else, curiously enough often further north.</p>
<p>Sure enough, in the autumn a little further north, the temperature was <a href="http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/10/arctic-report-c.html" rel="nofollow">5C warmer than usual</a> in the Arctic. If you follow the link to <a href="http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/index.html" rel="nofollow">the Arctic Report Card for 2008</a> you find some other negatives including records set in both the duration and extent of summer surface melt in Greenland. It seems that <a href="http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/greenland.html" rel="nofollow">the ice sheet lost at least 100 cubic km (24 cubic miles) of ice</a>. Not good.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203832</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marohasy picked this one up, of course. (No, I&#039;m not going to link to her.) Part of what they are in a lather about was that Rajendra Pachauri was supposed to have put forward some horrendously erroneous and misleading information.

There was a link provided in a comment to Pachauri&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/wallacewurth.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2008 Wallace Wurth Memorial Lecture&lt;/a&gt;. If you go to about 16 mins into the video you come to the part in question.

He says that that global surface temperatures increased by 0.74C in the 20th century. If you draw a trend line through the 20th century graph and then draw another one through the last 50 years of the century you&#039;ll notice that the trend is increasing at roughly double the rate in the second case, he says.

This is the simple unadorned truth.

But unless you assert as Duffy and co require that the graph has been flat for the last 10 years you are guilty of a heinous crime.

Duffy should settle down and first explain to us why &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_12/fig1.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these graphs&lt;/a&gt; track each other so closely over hundreds of thousands of years and then have a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/23/hansens-long-view/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hansen&#039;s explanation&lt;/a&gt; of the last 65 million years or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marohasy picked this one up, of course. (No, I&#8217;m not going to link to her.) Part of what they are in a lather about was that Rajendra Pachauri was supposed to have put forward some horrendously erroneous and misleading information.</p>
<p>There was a link provided in a comment to Pachauri&#8217;s <a href="http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/wallacewurth.html" rel="nofollow">2008 Wallace Wurth Memorial Lecture</a>. If you go to about 16 mins into the video you come to the part in question.</p>
<p>He says that that global surface temperatures increased by 0.74C in the 20th century. If you draw a trend line through the 20th century graph and then draw another one through the last 50 years of the century you&#8217;ll notice that the trend is increasing at roughly double the rate in the second case, he says.</p>
<p>This is the simple unadorned truth.</p>
<p>But unless you assert as Duffy and co require that the graph has been flat for the last 10 years you are guilty of a heinous crime.</p>
<p>Duffy should settle down and first explain to us why <a href="http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_12/fig1.pdf" rel="nofollow">these graphs</a> track each other so closely over hundreds of thousands of years and then have a look at <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/23/hansens-long-view/" rel="nofollow">Hansen&#8217;s explanation</a> of the last 65 million years or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203831</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, the standard answer, I think, would be it&#039;s too early to say, but it&#039;s a worry when what you are getting fits in with the long term script of the rain-bearing winter circulation systems shifting polewards.

We&#039;ve had a distinct pattern here of the autumns becoming very dry, starting as early as February, and then depending on what seem to be exceptional events for most of our winter rain.

T Rex, you&#039;ve made my day. A couple of weeks ago I heard &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2008/2395805.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Duffy interview Lindzen&lt;/a&gt; so you can download the audio if you&#039;ve got nothing better to do. Or follow the link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/0809.3762&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lindzen&#039;s paper&lt;/a&gt; where you can download a 36-page pdf and see:

&lt;blockquote&gt;how political bodies act to control scientific institutions, how scientists adjust both data and even theory to accommodate politically correct positions, and how opposition to these positions is disposed of.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yet Hansen complains of missing out on funding because he won&#039;t tell his political masters what they want to hear.

Lindzen is rejecting the use of models as unscientific. My impression is that if you did your science his way you&#039;d never be able to make decisions on mitigating GW before it was too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, the standard answer, I think, would be it&#8217;s too early to say, but it&#8217;s a worry when what you are getting fits in with the long term script of the rain-bearing winter circulation systems shifting polewards.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had a distinct pattern here of the autumns becoming very dry, starting as early as February, and then depending on what seem to be exceptional events for most of our winter rain.</p>
<p>T Rex, you&#8217;ve made my day. A couple of weeks ago I heard <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2008/2395805.htm" rel="nofollow">Duffy interview Lindzen</a> so you can download the audio if you&#8217;ve got nothing better to do. Or follow the link to <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0809.3762" rel="nofollow">Lindzen&#8217;s paper</a> where you can download a 36-page pdf and see:</p>
<blockquote><p>how political bodies act to control scientific institutions, how scientists adjust both data and even theory to accommodate politically correct positions, and how opposition to these positions is disposed of.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet Hansen complains of missing out on funding because he won&#8217;t tell his political masters what they want to hear.</p>
<p>Lindzen is rejecting the use of models as unscientific. My impression is that if you did your science his way you&#8217;d never be able to make decisions on mitigating GW before it was too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyro Rex</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203830</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyro Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Duffy at it again in the SMH

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/michael-duffy/truly-inconvenient-truths-being-ignored/2008/11/07/1225561134617.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

What was really galling was the way it was featured on the front of the web site this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Duffy at it again in the SMH</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/michael-duffy/truly-inconvenient-truths-being-ignored/2008/11/07/1225561134617.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/michael-duffy/truly-inconvenient-truths-being-ignored/2008/11/07/1225561134617.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1</a></p>
<p>What was really galling was the way it was featured on the front of the web site this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: paul walter</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203829</link>
		<dc:creator>paul walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for linx. a) At last a real newspaper?
b) Remain in awe of how dry it&#039;s been in Adelaide this winter.
A long term trend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for linx. a) At last a real newspaper?<br />
b) Remain in awe of how dry it&#8217;s been in Adelaide this winter.<br />
A long term trend?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203828</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TFA and Paul W you are both right. What was I thinking? Another senior moment perhaps? What surprised me was how high Marohasy was up on the list when I googled. I do sometimes read her posts to see the sport as Luke, Ender and a few others go toe to toe with the denialists. And sometimes there are interesting links.

I should have looked to see what I had bookmarked, where there was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080710115142.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this story&lt;/a&gt; from early July of the connection with Charcot Island hanging by a thread. There is some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2301161.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment here&lt;/a&gt; and now I&#039;ve found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM2U5THKHF_index_0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an animation.&lt;/a&gt;

Surely the bridge cannot last the summer. Has anyone heard anything more recent?

The bottom line, however, is whether the continent is losing ice in net terms, and whether West Antarctica becomes seriously destabilised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TFA and Paul W you are both right. What was I thinking? Another senior moment perhaps? What surprised me was how high Marohasy was up on the list when I googled. I do sometimes read her posts to see the sport as Luke, Ender and a few others go toe to toe with the denialists. And sometimes there are interesting links.</p>
<p>I should have looked to see what I had bookmarked, where there was <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080710115142.htm" rel="nofollow">this story</a> from early July of the connection with Charcot Island hanging by a thread. There is some <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2301161.htm" rel="nofollow">comment here</a> and now I&#8217;ve found <a href="http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM2U5THKHF_index_0.html" rel="nofollow">an animation.</a></p>
<p>Surely the bridge cannot last the summer. Has anyone heard anything more recent?</p>
<p>The bottom line, however, is whether the continent is losing ice in net terms, and whether West Antarctica becomes seriously destabilised.</p>
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		<title>By: The Feral Abacus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203827</link>
		<dc:creator>The Feral Abacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Walter: &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; under-estimate Jennifer Marohasy&#039;s influence.  She has a considerable following amongst middle-aged male public service managers.  Hormonal masquerading as intellectual, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Walter: <em>never</em> under-estimate Jennifer Marohasy&#8217;s influence.  She has a considerable following amongst middle-aged male public service managers.  Hormonal masquerading as intellectual, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203826</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal9000, no offense. I knew all that stuff you mentioned, well some of it, about 50 years ago. Just another &#039;senior moment&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal9000, no offense. I knew all that stuff you mentioned, well some of it, about 50 years ago. Just another &#8216;senior moment&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: paul walter</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203825</link>
		<dc:creator>paul walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, why would you waste time and effort doing something as futile as reading Marohasy?
That&#039;s like reading Janet Albrechtsen, devoid of the intellectual component.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, why would you waste time and effort doing something as futile as reading Marohasy?<br />
That&#8217;s like reading Janet Albrechtsen, devoid of the intellectual component.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal9000</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/06/arctic-update-ii/#comment-203824</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal9000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -

I&#039;ve been following your climate change posts here on LP over many months with great interest and mounting alarm.  Please don&#039;t take this comment as disrespectful, but the term &#039;bellwether&#039; arises from the practice of shepherds to put a bell around the neck of a castrated male sheep (&#039;wether&#039;) so the sound would alert them to where the flock could be found in conditions of darkness, inclement weather, steep topography or thick undergrowth.  Wethers are, like steers and indeed MSM op-ed writers, unadventurous and content to remain with the herd at all times.  Their infertility is another point of similarity with MSM op-ed writers, come to think of it.

There ain&#039;t no such word as &#039;bellweather&#039;.

End of pedantic comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian -</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been following your climate change posts here on LP over many months with great interest and mounting alarm.  Please don&#8217;t take this comment as disrespectful, but the term &#8216;bellwether&#8217; arises from the practice of shepherds to put a bell around the neck of a castrated male sheep (&#8216;wether&#8217;) so the sound would alert them to where the flock could be found in conditions of darkness, inclement weather, steep topography or thick undergrowth.  Wethers are, like steers and indeed MSM op-ed writers, unadventurous and content to remain with the herd at all times.  Their infertility is another point of similarity with MSM op-ed writers, come to think of it.</p>
<p>There ain&#8217;t no such word as &#8216;bellweather&#8217;.</p>
<p>End of pedantic comment.</p>
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