Comments on: The polls, Malcolm Turnbull and the economy http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:06:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: adrian http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-558176 adrian Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:56:07 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-558176 Maybe Turnbull's stupid enough to believe the Canberra press gallery and their seemingly infinite capacity for self delusion. Typical of course is Michael Brissenden, who when faced with the latest poll results that don't coincide with the accepted view, said of Rudd: 'He seems to be doing something right <i>as far as the voters are concerned</i>'. Those stupid voters, they just don't have the high level understanding of the commentariate. Maybe Turnbull’s stupid enough to believe the Canberra press gallery and their seemingly infinite capacity for self delusion. Typical of course is Michael Brissenden, who when faced with the latest poll results that don’t coincide with the accepted view, said of Rudd:
‘He seems to be doing something right as far as the voters are concerned‘.

Those stupid voters, they just don’t have the high level understanding of the commentariate.

]]> By: moz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-558158 moz Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:33:02 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-558158 Count me among those who hoped Turnbull would be a leader rather than a puppet who shows every sign that people are fighting to grab the strings. If he'd come out with an alternative vision and argued for it then I'd be more optimistic, but as it is he just seems more like Pauline Hanson every day. Count me among those who hoped Turnbull would be a leader rather than a puppet who shows every sign that people are fighting to grab the strings. If he’d come out with an alternative vision and argued for it then I’d be more optimistic, but as it is he just seems more like Pauline Hanson every day.

]]> By: Stuntreb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-558143 Stuntreb Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:12:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-558143 I agree joe2. Turnbull couldn't help but go for the political knee-jerk cheap shot at the expense of having some longer term political insight. Talk about self-destruct. What a wasted opportunity to become a relevant and progressive force. Instead the Liberals have just resorted to their typical nit-picking and name calling. Whoever is advising them needs to be taken out to pasture.. I agree joe2. Turnbull couldn’t help but go for the political knee-jerk cheap shot at the expense of having some longer term political insight.

Talk about self-destruct. What a wasted opportunity to become a relevant and progressive force. Instead the Liberals have just resorted to their typical nit-picking and name calling. Whoever is advising them needs to be taken out to pasture..

]]> By: joe2 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-558095 joe2 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:32:23 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-558095 He has brought it all on himself, kymbos. He had a great opportunity to lead the party out of the bog that Howard had left it in. There was quite a bit of goodwill out there for him and he might have lead with new progressive policy. Instead he has blown it and you cannot blame the troops who were there to be guided out of the neo-con wilderness. Further,the economy is in a pretty delicate state at the moment and he has gone for the cheap political shot at the expense of any dignity that he may have had. He has failed to understand that all this constant carping, while loved by the MSM, is indirectly an assault on the voters who made a choice for a change. He has brought it all on himself, kymbos.

He had a great opportunity to lead the party out of the bog that Howard had left it in. There was quite a bit of goodwill out there for him and he might have lead with new progressive policy. Instead he has blown it and you cannot blame the troops who were there to be guided out of the neo-con wilderness.

Further,the economy is in a pretty delicate state at the moment and he has gone for the cheap political shot at the expense of any dignity that he may have had. He has failed to understand that all this constant carping, while loved by the MSM, is indirectly an assault on the voters who made a choice for a change.

]]> By: kymbos http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-558039 kymbos Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:42:59 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-558039 I still reckon you're being too hard on old Malcolm. He'll do alright if the dinosaurs in the Party give him enough time to find his feet. I still reckon you’re being too hard on old Malcolm. He’ll do alright if the dinosaurs in the Party give him enough time to find his feet.

]]> By: Spiros http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-557890 Spiros Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:05:36 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-557890 "Given the current very high taxes on petrol (compared to, say, coal) if such a scheme was revenue neutral then it would imply a drop in the price of petrol." No, since we want to reduce emissions from both transport and stationary energy it implies that both petrol and electricity prices should go up, but with electricity prices going up more. Revenue neutrality can be had by cutting income taxes. “Given the current very high taxes on petrol (compared to, say, coal) if such a scheme was revenue neutral then it would imply a drop in the price of petrol.”

No, since we want to reduce emissions from both transport and stationary energy it implies that both petrol and electricity prices should go up, but with electricity prices going up more.

Revenue neutrality can be had by cutting income taxes.

]]> By: Andrew Reynolds http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-557873 Andrew Reynolds Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:50:33 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-557873 aiden, If a carbon tax or trading system for carbon credits were introduced it should be possible to more correctly price carbon emissions. Given the current very high taxes on petrol (compared to, say, coal) if such a scheme was revenue neutral then it would imply a drop in the price of petrol. The positions may only be contradictory if your real aim is just to increase the prices of everything, not put in place a genuine carbon reduction scheme. aiden,
If a carbon tax or trading system for carbon credits were introduced it should be possible to more correctly price carbon emissions. Given the current very high taxes on petrol (compared to, say, coal) if such a scheme was revenue neutral then it would imply a drop in the price of petrol.
The positions may only be contradictory if your real aim is just to increase the prices of everything, not put in place a genuine carbon reduction scheme.

]]> By: Stuntreb http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-557856 Stuntreb Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:31:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-557856 Turnbull is clearly being poorly advised. I think his initial response to the economic crisis in offering bipartisan support for the government's initiatives was wise, however his subsequent ongoing criticism is poor form. There is a palpable lack of alternative strategies being proposed from Liberal HQ. Instead, they're focusing all their efforts on some "he said, she said" phone call that the Australian public couldn't care less about. No wonder at Blogocrats the question is being asked - <a href="http://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/what-does-malcolm-turnbull-stand-for/" rel="nofollow">what does Malcolm Turnbull stand for?</a> Turnbull is clearly being poorly advised. I think his initial response to the economic crisis in offering bipartisan support for the government’s initiatives was wise, however his subsequent ongoing criticism is poor form. There is a palpable lack of alternative strategies being proposed from Liberal HQ. Instead, they’re focusing all their efforts on some “he said, she said” phone call that the Australian public couldn’t care less about. No wonder at Blogocrats the question is being asked – what does Malcolm Turnbull stand for?

]]> By: Ambigulous http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-557846 Ambigulous Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:25:26 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-557846 As observed by many posters here in the last couple of months, Mr Turnbull trips over himself in the rush to the doorstop or the radio interview. In rushing, he seems to switch messages too swiftly. That may be as damaging as being negative. Mr Rudd has put on his serious face and attempted to shore up the faltering economy. Voters will wait to see how things turn out in 2009. In difficult times, perhaps many voters are reassured we have a brainy nerd in charge, instead of a flashy barrister. Wasn't Malcolm a Merchant Banker? Aren't the Bankers to blame for (at least some of) the instability?? As observed by many posters here in the last couple of months, Mr Turnbull trips over himself in the rush to the doorstop or the radio interview. In rushing, he seems to switch messages too swiftly. That may be as damaging as being negative.

Mr Rudd has put on his serious face and attempted to shore up the faltering economy. Voters will wait to see how things turn out in 2009. In difficult times, perhaps many voters are reassured we have a brainy nerd in charge, instead of a flashy barrister. Wasn’t Malcolm a Merchant Banker? Aren’t the Bankers to blame for (at least some of) the instability??

]]> By: aidan http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-557795 aidan Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:43:07 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/17/the-polls-malcolm-turnbull-and-the-economy/#comment-557795 I posted this in the wrong thread: .. what is <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/former-lib-leader-breaks-silence/2008/11/16/1226770256742.html" rel="nofollow">up with Brendan Nelson</a>: <blockquote>Dr Nelson has vanished from the spotlight, but in his first newspaper interview since being deposed the former minister says the nation is not doing enough to prepare for the “unavoidable consequences” of climate change, and he issues a sharply worded warning to his successor not to dump the promise of a five cents-a-litre petrol tax cut.</blockquote> I am struggling to think of a more confused and contradictory position. I one breath he comes over all emo about climate change and still thinks 5c/L petrol tax cut is a good idea. Doofus. I posted this in the wrong thread:

.. what is up with Brendan Nelson:

Dr Nelson has vanished from the spotlight, but in his first newspaper interview since being deposed the former minister says the nation is not doing enough to prepare for the “unavoidable consequences” of climate change, and he issues a sharply worded warning to his successor not to dump the promise of a five cents-a-litre petrol tax cut.

I am struggling to think of a more confused and contradictory position. I one breath he comes over all emo about climate change and still thinks 5c/L petrol tax cut is a good idea. Doofus.

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