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	<title>Comments on: No Clean Feed Rally: Protesting the protest tactics</title>
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		<title>By: spider</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/10/no-clean-feed-rally-protesting-the-protest-tactics/#comment-185322</link>
		<dc:creator>spider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s worth baaaawing about then it&#039;s worth leaving the house for and yeah, getting a little heat stroke while doing it. There&#039;s always shade or an exit point somewhere.Yeah, I see your point about innovation and creativity, but that doesn&#039;t exclude rallies.  Rallies are a great focal point to work off.  I&#039;ve been to lots of rallies and some of them I just hated, but the Sydney No Clean Feed protest was fun, slogan-free, without any marching and extremely informative.  We even got live rickrolled - twice. It pointed me towards details on this filter that are only in teh media if you look real hard.Rallies that get big numbers are the ones that make the news and get people&#039;s attention.  If you have other ways of doing this, go ahead, but people will still look for the traditional kinds of protest to see whether there is public dissent. And being out in the public eye, passerbys can see  for themselves what&#039;s going on without relying on Channel Ten News to skew it how they like.  I don&#039;t take too well to the sun, but I survived, and I had fun, and I learnt something. Try it.  Leave if it gets too much (like so many moralfags on Saturday).  Turn up later at the pub where everyone always meets afterwards and meet some cool people.  Swap some ideas on what other creative innovative ways we can come up with to get the message out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s worth baaaawing about then it&#8217;s worth leaving the house for and yeah, getting a little heat stroke while doing it. There&#8217;s always shade or an exit point somewhere.Yeah, I see your point about innovation and creativity, but that doesn&#8217;t exclude rallies.  Rallies are a great focal point to work off.  I&#8217;ve been to lots of rallies and some of them I just hated, but the Sydney No Clean Feed protest was fun, slogan-free, without any marching and extremely informative.  We even got live rickrolled &#8211; twice. It pointed me towards details on this filter that are only in teh media if you look real hard.Rallies that get big numbers are the ones that make the news and get people&#8217;s attention.  If you have other ways of doing this, go ahead, but people will still look for the traditional kinds of protest to see whether there is public dissent. And being out in the public eye, passerbys can see  for themselves what&#8217;s going on without relying on Channel Ten News to skew it how they like.  I don&#8217;t take too well to the sun, but I survived, and I had fun, and I learnt something. Try it.  Leave if it gets too much (like so many moralfags on Saturday).  Turn up later at the pub where everyone always meets afterwards and meet some cool people.  Swap some ideas on what other creative innovative ways we can come up with to get the message out.</p>
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		<title>By: sublime cowgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>sublime cowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely concur with the point Mark makes.  Street marches/rallies/protests in city squares are almost passe these days.

If i was running a campaign about unnecessary gt intrusion and compulsory internet censorship, i would think it far more imaginative to gather a bunch of activists, head to some public/uni libraries and say, cling wrap up all the books that could be(absurdly) deemed inappropriate - med texts, art books, Cosmo magazine etc etc...    I&#039;d aim to generate some viral buzz online for a day or two, then repeat the exercise, only this time slap a censored sticker/postcard under the wrap, explaining why yr doing it, and include the address of a relevant website.

After the first stealth protest, you could send a teaser press release to the relevant MSM followed up by another the next day fully explaining the issue and outlining the specific point you are trying to make.

Just sayin&#039;  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely concur with the point Mark makes.  Street marches/rallies/protests in city squares are almost passe these days.</p>
<p>If i was running a campaign about unnecessary gt intrusion and compulsory internet censorship, i would think it far more imaginative to gather a bunch of activists, head to some public/uni libraries and say, cling wrap up all the books that could be(absurdly) deemed inappropriate &#8211; med texts, art books, Cosmo magazine etc etc&#8230;    I&#8217;d aim to generate some viral buzz online for a day or two, then repeat the exercise, only this time slap a censored sticker/postcard under the wrap, explaining why yr doing it, and include the address of a relevant website.</p>
<p>After the first stealth protest, you could send a teaser press release to the relevant MSM followed up by another the next day fully explaining the issue and outlining the specific point you are trying to make.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;  <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Surely net-savvy folk can find much more creative ways of making their point&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You could, I suppose, contrive to get some sites that are germane to Stephen Conroy&#039;s interests - and are otherwise completely innocuous - onto the filter lists of the service the Government plans to use. It would be embarrassing and it would hit them in their home. The ALP website itself would be a PR masterstroke.

Would I be terribly surprised if the UK&#039;s wikipedia blockage contretemps is a similar exercise? No, not really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Surely net-savvy folk can find much more creative ways of making their point</p></blockquote>
<p>You could, I suppose, contrive to get some sites that are germane to Stephen Conroy&#8217;s interests &#8211; and are otherwise completely innocuous &#8211; onto the filter lists of the service the Government plans to use. It would be embarrassing and it would hit them in their home. The ALP website itself would be a PR masterstroke.</p>
<p>Would I be terribly surprised if the UK&#8217;s wikipedia blockage contretemps is a similar exercise? No, not really.</p>
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		<title>By: A passing wag</title>
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		<dc:creator>A passing wag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;boredom and ennui&quot;

A heady mix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;boredom and ennui&#8221;</p>
<p>A heady mix!</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. Point 2 is spend most of your spare time on blogs making witty comments and providing extremely amusing you tube links that display your erudite command of whatever subject is up for discussion, while insulting those who have the temerity to disagree with you.

But Point 3 is: Rinse and repeat until boredom and ennui set in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Point 2 is spend most of your spare time on blogs making witty comments and providing extremely amusing you tube links that display your erudite command of whatever subject is up for discussion, while insulting those who have the temerity to disagree with you.</p>
<p>But Point 3 is: Rinse and repeat until boredom and ennui set in.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liam @47, step 2 is &quot;Form a political party and wait decades for the rest of the nation to cotton on to the idea&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam @47, step 2 is &#8220;Form a political party and wait decades for the rest of the nation to cotton on to the idea&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jo -- thanks for your colorful b.g. info on the world of Sydney corruption, very interesting. (btw, I&#039;m curious about this charming word &#039;Sydneysider&#039; -- is it just a fun way to denote a person from Sydney, or is there a firmer historical basis for it?  f&#039;r instance was there once a &quot;Sydney side&quot; of the harbor, etc etc.)

I take your substantive point, though I note that Howard Dean in his time was thought to have &#039;revolutionized&#039; online financing and activism too, yet it blew up in his face, yadda yadda, so it appears the terms of analysis for this phenomenon are not so simple.  My guess is that the Obama phenomenon owes its legs to not just skill (though this was evident), but also to some rather peculiar conjunctions and accidents of historical timing, (not to mention a massive and wholly  disgraceful MSM fix), and thus is not a great textbook &#039;lesson&#039; from which we can profitably extrapolate.  (Although there are doubtless many basic Web 2.0 lessons which laggards of any stripe must study; it&#039;s just that I think Obama is the classic case of the rabbit hitting the tree stump, and not the new casebook on How To Catch Rabbits).

As to your sense that I have an &quot;obsessive loathing&quot; for Obama, let me just say you&#039;re wrong.  What I have, rather, is a great deal of healthy contempt for Obama (though not 100 per cent), and even more for his burgeoning cult of personality -- which is not &quot;loathing&quot; and it&#039;s certainly not &quot;obsessive,&quot; being quite coolly based on a citizen&#039;s observations of his words and conduct.  If I appear to be having a little too much fun with the guy, it&#039;s only because he&#039;s made it kind of easy.  But any thinking person who heard or read (for instance) his ludicrous speech to the Germans, which made Sarah Palin sound like Marc Bloch, would have at least a dab of sympathy for my side; the fact that you leftists must always ascribe pathology to folks who simply beg to differ says something about your temperament, and I believe a look into Soviet psychiatric archives would tend to paint you in a regular Alice Neel sort of light.  Nuff said.

On a different note, though, I understand what you mean about the broader context; it&#039;s just that, given the on-going stupefying level of real-time hagiography, I must beg your forgiveness if I seem to hear loose phrases like &quot;the message of Obama&quot; as a sort of invitation a la Groucho&#039;s Secret Word.  Regardless of that, cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jo &#8212; thanks for your colorful b.g. info on the world of Sydney corruption, very interesting. (btw, I&#8217;m curious about this charming word &#8216;Sydneysider&#8217; &#8212; is it just a fun way to denote a person from Sydney, or is there a firmer historical basis for it?  f&#8217;r instance was there once a &#8220;Sydney side&#8221; of the harbor, etc etc.)</p>
<p>I take your substantive point, though I note that Howard Dean in his time was thought to have &#8216;revolutionized&#8217; online financing and activism too, yet it blew up in his face, yadda yadda, so it appears the terms of analysis for this phenomenon are not so simple.  My guess is that the Obama phenomenon owes its legs to not just skill (though this was evident), but also to some rather peculiar conjunctions and accidents of historical timing, (not to mention a massive and wholly  disgraceful MSM fix), and thus is not a great textbook &#8216;lesson&#8217; from which we can profitably extrapolate.  (Although there are doubtless many basic Web 2.0 lessons which laggards of any stripe must study; it&#8217;s just that I think Obama is the classic case of the rabbit hitting the tree stump, and not the new casebook on How To Catch Rabbits).</p>
<p>As to your sense that I have an &#8220;obsessive loathing&#8221; for Obama, let me just say you&#8217;re wrong.  What I have, rather, is a great deal of healthy contempt for Obama (though not 100 per cent), and even more for his burgeoning cult of personality &#8212; which is not &#8220;loathing&#8221; and it&#8217;s certainly not &#8220;obsessive,&#8221; being quite coolly based on a citizen&#8217;s observations of his words and conduct.  If I appear to be having a little too much fun with the guy, it&#8217;s only because he&#8217;s made it kind of easy.  But any thinking person who heard or read (for instance) his ludicrous speech to the Germans, which made Sarah Palin sound like Marc Bloch, would have at least a dab of sympathy for my side; the fact that you leftists must always ascribe pathology to folks who simply beg to differ says something about your temperament, and I believe a look into Soviet psychiatric archives would tend to paint you in a regular Alice Neel sort of light.  Nuff said.</p>
<p>On a different note, though, I understand what you mean about the broader context; it&#8217;s just that, given the on-going stupefying level of real-time hagiography, I must beg your forgiveness if I seem to hear loose phrases like &#8220;the message of Obama&#8221; as a sort of invitation a la Groucho&#8217;s Secret Word.  Regardless of that, cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite serious, trog.  As I intimated, walking for a few hours outside in a Brisbane summer could well be lethal for someone suffering impaired kidney function. But I see you&#039;re been drinking too much outrageohol to think clearly about the efficacy and inclusiveness of this form of political protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite serious, trog.  As I intimated, walking for a few hours outside in a Brisbane summer could well be lethal for someone suffering impaired kidney function. But I see you&#8217;re been drinking too much outrageohol to think clearly about the efficacy and inclusiveness of this form of political protest.</p>
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		<title>By: trog</title>
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		<dc:creator>trog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche! With that in mind, I&#039;m going back to bed :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touche! With that in mind, I&#8217;m going back to bed <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Demonstrated passion
2. ???
3. Change in public policy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Demonstrated passion<br />
2. ???<br />
3. Change in public policy</p>
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