Comments on: Open White Paper Thread and Links

By: dk.au

dk.au — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:06:48 +0000

Guy Beres on Mr 5%, John Quiggin on PPPs, Deltoid: as long as we beat New Zealand

By: Mark

Mark — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:32:16 +0000

Christine Milne:

http://greensmps.org.au/blog/some-are-more-equal-others-what-does-emissions-target-mean

By: Nick Caldwell

Nick Caldwell — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:07:18 +0000

Anna Rose’s article has already attracted a comment by a particularly silver-tongued climate change denialist. I hope he comes and visits LP! I think that would be very fun!

By: dk.au

dk.au — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:48:43 +0000

That’s an excellent analysis from Anna.

By: Mark

Mark — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:05:01 +0000

Update: Anna Rose at New Matilda parses the White Paper.

By: dk.au

dk.au — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:56:02 +0000

I don’t think the scale of Rudd’s failure has fully emerged. What we’ll see under the free permits rules are a huge transfer of wealth to Aluminium etc. for business as usual activities. Falling commodity prices will see them generate permits that have will effect a wealth transfer from consumers. This will undermine the credibility of the scheme, and we’ll go backwards as the lobbyists’ expectations are met for the next round. This is really a Carbon Pollution Deferral Scheme – a massive failure in expectation management.

By: Warwick

Warwick — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:14:47 +0000

Why are we so arrogant that we think we can and should control the climate? Why must we interfere with nature’s responses.

What is the perfect climate?
Who decided?
Who controls the thermostat?

Let nature control it, the record is pretty good so far, and let us adapt.

By: Mark

Mark — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:51:18 +0000

Update: More blogosphere reaction from Go Greener, Australia, Deltoid, No Right Turn, Not a Hedgehog and Typing Is Not Activism.

By: danny

danny — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:50:01 +0000

That post of Ben Eltham reckons “Not only will he not be able to get this Bill through the Senate….”…
Surely at least some, enough, of Malcolm’s mob will support it as the reduction scheme you have when you’re not having a reduction scheme, which has the added attraction of delivering big easy bucks to the captains of industry, their sort of people, at the same time? I would have thought the message would be coming loud and clear to the liberal party from the boardrooms to get on to this one big time, and quick smart. That was the point wasn’t it:, make it so small that the libs would be able to support it, and the true ~~fantasists~~ believers could still convince themselves they’re actually doing something substantial. And not have to be brave enough to attempt negotiatian with those big bad nasty greens.
To paraphrase Kerry Packer on Alan Bond paying top dollar, and then some, for Channel 9: “You only get one Kevin Rudd Labor cabinet in a lifetime”
It’s like putting 50c each way on the favourite in a 4 horse race. That’s our Kev. It’s like what Coaldrake said about him: “His idea of a party is jatz without the cheese”, he’s not the biggest and boldest of thinkers or spirits. Mind you he would say we didn’t hire him for big bold thinking, and he’d be right.
What would PJK have done I wonder, has he put his fiver’s worth in yet?

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:15:47 +0000

Update: The Greens call for a day of protest action tomorrow.

By: sandstone

sandstone — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:57:09 +0000

I reckon kev has got it just about right for a second term , sure its sure to be tight .

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:45:54 +0000

Update [by Mark] At New Matilda, Geoff Davies writes that Labor has sold the country out to the business lobby, Anna Rose reports from the white paper "lock up" and Ben Eltham considers the prospects of Senate passage.

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:43:28 +0000

@89 – thanks, Fine.

By: dk.au

dk.au — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:29:59 +0000

Thanks Peter. Excellent post.

By: Peter Wood

Peter Wood — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:12:14 +0000

I've added a summary of the White Paper to my blog here.

By: dk.au

dk.au — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:12:02 +0000

For your links Mark, Possum.

I’d like to the spreadsheet he’s working from.

By: Fine

Fine — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:11:54 +0000

What’s interesting is the politcs as well. We know what the Greens think. What about Xenophon and Fielding? Will they pass it, or not? Any ideas?

By: Fine

Fine — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:09:30 +0000

I received it through an email, Mark. But if you go to the website, it’s on the front-page, left hand side.

http://www.getup.org.au/

By: Razor

Razor — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:01:44 +0000

OK – so we are going to spend billions of dollars on this.

So, if I were to prepare a budget for billions of dollars there would be a requirement for a measurable outcome. The only measurable outcome of any meaning is a lowering of Global Temperature.

How much will this lower global temperature by?

When will this lower global temperature by?

What happens if the forecasts are not met?

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:42 +0000

Thanks, Liam, I’ll add it to the post.