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		<title>By: Peterc</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/15/the-politics-of-the-white-paper/#comment-186304</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garnaut has attacked the whitepaper&#039;s free permits and 4b cash giveaways to the worst polluters - which replicates the causes of the failure of the European ETS to reduce emissions.  He said there is no policy basis for the giveaways - its just political.

Wong responded to this on TV and said the policy basis &quot;is jobs&quot;.

Which jobs Penny, and how many?  What about the clean green jobs we are foregoing while sending $billions to the worst polluters?  Do the Australian people really support this?  How about a referendum to test this?

So it seems that Labor is:

* captured by industry and giving them exactly what they want in terms of (our) cash and free permits, and a high emissions cap.  All this equates to no emission reductions.

* captured by unions who support old dirty 19th century employment (not that there is really much left of this) in the coal industry.

* playing politics by wedging the Liberals/Coalition -just look at how Wong put the acid on Turnbull &quot;he will have to support our weak and ineffective 5% target&quot;.

* ignoring the last 5 years of science that shows are in the midst of dangerous climate change.

I really can&#039;t see our current political system doing much other than rearranging deckchairs and pandering to corporate power and providing them with corporate welfare.

Here is a real policy for them to consider:

Nationalise the entire energy industry with $5b, rather than just gifting them the money.  Get rid of power retailers and wholesalers - buy them out.  Then set yearly energy use reduction targets, along with a carbon rationing system.

While corporate interests continue to make big profits selling power we won&#039;t see any political or policy steps toward better efficiency and/or emission reductions - they are too busy making money, and trashing the planet in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garnaut has attacked the whitepaper&#8217;s free permits and 4b cash giveaways to the worst polluters &#8211; which replicates the causes of the failure of the European ETS to reduce emissions.  He said there is no policy basis for the giveaways &#8211; its just political.</p>
<p>Wong responded to this on TV and said the policy basis &#8220;is jobs&#8221;.</p>
<p>Which jobs Penny, and how many?  What about the clean green jobs we are foregoing while sending $billions to the worst polluters?  Do the Australian people really support this?  How about a referendum to test this?</p>
<p>So it seems that Labor is:</p>
<p>* captured by industry and giving them exactly what they want in terms of (our) cash and free permits, and a high emissions cap.  All this equates to no emission reductions.</p>
<p>* captured by unions who support old dirty 19th century employment (not that there is really much left of this) in the coal industry.</p>
<p>* playing politics by wedging the Liberals/Coalition -just look at how Wong put the acid on Turnbull &#8220;he will have to support our weak and ineffective 5% target&#8221;.</p>
<p>* ignoring the last 5 years of science that shows are in the midst of dangerous climate change.</p>
<p>I really can&#8217;t see our current political system doing much other than rearranging deckchairs and pandering to corporate power and providing them with corporate welfare.</p>
<p>Here is a real policy for them to consider:</p>
<p>Nationalise the entire energy industry with $5b, rather than just gifting them the money.  Get rid of power retailers and wholesalers &#8211; buy them out.  Then set yearly energy use reduction targets, along with a carbon rationing system.</p>
<p>While corporate interests continue to make big profits selling power we won&#8217;t see any political or policy steps toward better efficiency and/or emission reductions &#8211; they are too busy making money, and trashing the planet in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/15/the-politics-of-the-white-paper/#comment-186303</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a bilateral deal with China might alter the US targets.

Sorry, the amount to be spent on green technology is $150 billion, not 270, but the point remains. My source is Brian Toohey&#039;s article in the weekend Fin Review, who thought the white paper could scarcely be worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a bilateral deal with China might alter the US targets.</p>
<p>Sorry, the amount to be spent on green technology is $150 billion, not 270, but the point remains. My source is Brian Toohey&#8217;s article in the weekend Fin Review, who thought the white paper could scarcely be worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wbb: if that&#039;s what they end up, inadequate, obviously.

But the situation for the USA is a lot different than in Australia.  For one thing, it may well be Congress that makes the running on a cap and trade bill.
For another, the USA is in a position to do a bilateral deal with China that might significantly alter China&#039;s emissions trajectory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wbb: if that&#8217;s what they end up, inadequate, obviously.</p>
<p>But the situation for the USA is a lot different than in Australia.  For one thing, it may well be Congress that makes the running on a cap and trade bill.<br />
For another, the USA is in a position to do a bilateral deal with China that might significantly alter China&#8217;s emissions trajectory.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/15/the-politics-of-the-white-paper/#comment-186301</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any thoughts on Obama&#039;s 0% target for 2020?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any thoughts on Obama&#8217;s 0% target for 2020?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/15/the-politics-of-the-white-paper/#comment-186300</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that Obama is promising to put $270 billion into green technology. This is the dimension that is so noticeably lacking in Rudd&#039;s approach.

I&#039;m wondering whether his desire not to purge the bureaucracy has left the greenhouse mafia well and truly in charge. The scheme they&#039;ve come up with seems to be designed to preserve the privileged place of the polluters.

The developing countries have four advanced countries on watch - the US, Canada, Japan and Australia. The effect of the white paper will be to ensure that Australia stays on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that Obama is promising to put $270 billion into green technology. This is the dimension that is so noticeably lacking in Rudd&#8217;s approach.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering whether his desire not to purge the bureaucracy has left the greenhouse mafia well and truly in charge. The scheme they&#8217;ve come up with seems to be designed to preserve the privileged place of the polluters.</p>
<p>The developing countries have four advanced countries on watch &#8211; the US, Canada, Japan and Australia. The effect of the white paper will be to ensure that Australia stays on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/15/the-politics-of-the-white-paper/#comment-186299</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always interesting to see factual statements denounced as &quot;offensive&quot;, as in &quot;Labor&quot; &quot;Outsider&quot; at 118. To recap, Rudd had stated that his policy would be attacked by green &quot;extremists&quot;. I said, on the contrary that it had been criticised by just about everyone who cared about the environment.

LO could have refuted this statement by pointing to people with a well-established track record of concern for the environment and climate change in particular who had endorsed the White Paper, if any such people existed. Instead s/he gets on the high horse about a statement that is extremely mild relative to Rudd&#039;s pre-emptive denunciation of opponents (presumably endorsed by LO).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always interesting to see factual statements denounced as &#8220;offensive&#8221;, as in &#8220;Labor&#8221; &#8220;Outsider&#8221; at 118. To recap, Rudd had stated that his policy would be attacked by green &#8220;extremists&#8221;. I said, on the contrary that it had been criticised by just about everyone who cared about the environment.</p>
<p>LO could have refuted this statement by pointing to people with a well-established track record of concern for the environment and climate change in particular who had endorsed the White Paper, if any such people existed. Instead s/he gets on the high horse about a statement that is extremely mild relative to Rudd&#8217;s pre-emptive denunciation of opponents (presumably endorsed by LO).</p>
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		<title>By: mitchell porter</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/15/the-politics-of-the-white-paper/#comment-186298</link>
		<dc:creator>mitchell porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/26/blighs-big-water-backdown/#comment-568334</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/26/blighs-big-water-backdown/#comment-568334" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/11/26/blighs-big-water-backdown/#comment-568334</a></p>
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		<title>By: mitchell porter</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/15/the-politics-of-the-white-paper/#comment-186297</link>
		<dc:creator>mitchell porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>myriad! Your opinion wanted &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>myriad! Your opinion wanted <a>here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: myriad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/12/15/the-politics-of-the-white-paper/#comment-186296</link>
		<dc:creator>myriad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;There is not a contradiction between economic growth and sound environmental practices.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s the key message Obama is out stating, again and again, as he positions for a massive injection of funds to rebuild the American economy around a clean green model, using the current recession to cast a Green New Deal.

Labor Outsider has eloquently laid out a case for the politics of Rudd&#039;s decision. But the truth is it wasn&#039;t his only choice that would have delivered good political capital.

Rudd could have gone a harder target, a much stronger regime of auction permit, larger stimulus to new energy &amp; energy efficiency (especially for low income households for the latter), still compensated some industries, and been hailed as a visionary leader and enjoyed an even higher approval rating.

The politics (ie popularity), the economics and the environmental gains were all aligned in a magic moment, and he treated it like a pit toilet by going the political wedge. It&#039;s both a failure of leadership as patrickg has described, a failure of imagination, and a failure to capitalise on a massive political opportunity.

So frickin&#039; sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;There is not a contradiction between economic growth and sound environmental practices.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the key message Obama is out stating, again and again, as he positions for a massive injection of funds to rebuild the American economy around a clean green model, using the current recession to cast a Green New Deal.</p>
<p>Labor Outsider has eloquently laid out a case for the politics of Rudd&#8217;s decision. But the truth is it wasn&#8217;t his only choice that would have delivered good political capital.</p>
<p>Rudd could have gone a harder target, a much stronger regime of auction permit, larger stimulus to new energy &amp; energy efficiency (especially for low income households for the latter), still compensated some industries, and been hailed as a visionary leader and enjoyed an even higher approval rating.</p>
<p>The politics (ie popularity), the economics and the environmental gains were all aligned in a magic moment, and he treated it like a pit toilet by going the political wedge. It&#8217;s both a failure of leadership as patrickg has described, a failure of imagination, and a failure to capitalise on a massive political opportunity.</p>
<p>So frickin&#8217; sad.</p>
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		<title>By: carbonsink</title>
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		<dc:creator>carbonsink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve @ 141:  Outrageous tax concessions, obscene subsidies for industry, super generous rebates for consumers ... Make it a total no-brainer for consumers to insulate their house, buy a fuel-efficient car, put solar hot water on their roof, and make it a total no-brainer to invest in clean energy.  There&#039;s a lot of money on the sidelines at the moment looking for a home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve @ 141:  Outrageous tax concessions, obscene subsidies for industry, super generous rebates for consumers &#8230; Make it a total no-brainer for consumers to insulate their house, buy a fuel-efficient car, put solar hot water on their roof, and make it a total no-brainer to invest in clean energy.  There&#8217;s a lot of money on the sidelines at the moment looking for a home.</p>
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