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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/eyeless-in-gaza-ii/#comment-178316</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, this thread is starting to get a little long as well so I&#039;ve started a new one here:

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/08/eyeless-in-gaza-iv-open-democracy-edition/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, this thread is starting to get a little long as well so I&#8217;ve started a new one here:</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/08/eyeless-in-gaza-iv-open-democracy-edition/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/08/eyeless-in-gaza-iv-open-democracy-edition/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/eyeless-in-gaza-ii/#comment-178315</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.smh.com.au/world/several-rockets-hit-northern-israel-from-lebanon-military-20090108-7cmn.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oh shit&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.smh.com.au/world/several-rockets-hit-northern-israel-from-lebanon-military-20090108-7cmn.html" rel="nofollow">Oh shit</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Desipis</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/eyeless-in-gaza-ii/#comment-178314</link>
		<dc:creator>Desipis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thats exactly what will happen with a Palestinian state.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Assuming the Palestinian state doesn&#039;t go to war with Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thats exactly what will happen with a Palestinian state.</p></blockquote>
<p>Assuming the Palestinian state doesn&#8217;t go to war with Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlon</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/eyeless-in-gaza-ii/#comment-178313</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What would the appropriate reaction for Israel when they found the tunnels?&quot;


If I was an Israeli, I would be asking if I could use them for air raid shelters.

They well may need them shortly if this fiasco escalates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What would the appropriate reaction for Israel when they found the tunnels?&#8221;</p>
<p>If I was an Israeli, I would be asking if I could use them for air raid shelters.</p>
<p>They well may need them shortly if this fiasco escalates.</p>
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		<title>By: patrickm</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/eyeless-in-gaza-ii/#comment-178312</link>
		<dc:creator>patrickm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desipis;  Lebanon has no tunnels and no Israelies checking trucks that come across its border with either food or weapons.  And no lebanese check Israeli shipments either.  Thats exactly what will happen with a Palestinian state.  Tunnels are only for prisons!  Te Palestinians are not going to the back of the Bus directed by anyone!

Get used to the fact that the war for greater Israel is ending in defeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desipis;  Lebanon has no tunnels and no Israelies checking trucks that come across its border with either food or weapons.  And no lebanese check Israeli shipments either.  Thats exactly what will happen with a Palestinian state.  Tunnels are only for prisons!  Te Palestinians are not going to the back of the Bus directed by anyone!</p>
<p>Get used to the fact that the war for greater Israel is ending in defeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Desipis</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/eyeless-in-gaza-ii/#comment-178311</link>
		<dc:creator>Desipis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would the appropriate reaction for Israel when they found the tunnels?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would the appropriate reaction for Israel when they found the tunnels?</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/eyeless-in-gaza-ii/#comment-178310</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>96  Nabakov

It&#039;s no vast &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5415759.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;secret&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;Ehud Barak, the Defence Minister, said Israel was in an “all-out war against Hamas”, while Brigadier-General Dan Harel, the Israeli deputy chief of staff, said that his forces would erase every trace of Hamas from Gaza’s crowded cities. “After this operation there will not be a single Hamas building left standing in Gaza, and we plan to change the rules of the game,” the general said. “We are hitting not only terrorists and launchers, but also the whole Hamas Government and all its wings. We are hitting government buildings, production factories, security wings and more.”&lt;/em&gt;

Meanwhile:

&lt;em&gt;The goal of the operation is to topple Hamas,” Haim Ramon, the deputy to Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister, said. It was the first time since it launched its blistering offensive that Israel has openly stated that regime change is its ultimate goal. “We will stop firing immediately if someone takes the responsibility of this government, anyone but Hamas,” Mr Ramon said. “We are favourable to any other government to take the place of Hamas.”&lt;/em&gt;

Such a shame that the new, nicer government in Gaza no longer has any &quot;government buildings, production factories, security wings and more&quot;, most of which belonged to the Gazan people, and not Hamas. Simply smashing! Have fun governing, suckers, from craters!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>96  Nabakov</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no vast <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5415759.ece" rel="nofollow">secret</a>:</p>
<p><em>Ehud Barak, the Defence Minister, said Israel was in an “all-out war against Hamas”, while Brigadier-General Dan Harel, the Israeli deputy chief of staff, said that his forces would erase every trace of Hamas from Gaza’s crowded cities. “After this operation there will not be a single Hamas building left standing in Gaza, and we plan to change the rules of the game,” the general said. “We are hitting not only terrorists and launchers, but also the whole Hamas Government and all its wings. We are hitting government buildings, production factories, security wings and more.”</em></p>
<p>Meanwhile:</p>
<p><em>The goal of the operation is to topple Hamas,” Haim Ramon, the deputy to Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister, said. It was the first time since it launched its blistering offensive that Israel has openly stated that regime change is its ultimate goal. “We will stop firing immediately if someone takes the responsibility of this government, anyone but Hamas,” Mr Ramon said. “We are favourable to any other government to take the place of Hamas.”</em></p>
<p>Such a shame that the new, nicer government in Gaza no longer has any &#8220;government buildings, production factories, security wings and more&#8221;, most of which belonged to the Gazan people, and not Hamas. Simply smashing! Have fun governing, suckers, from craters!</p>
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		<title>By: patrickm</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrickm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oz; That is an example of not thinking clearly.  The alternate Zionist leaderships do not believe that they even could get away with an ethnic cleansing let alone a genocide so they are out as options for a start, as is winning a failed war that’s now heading towards 42 years long and that is harming the interests of the sponsor the USA.  The USA Obama or not has had enough and are unable to fund this failure any longer anyhow.



The war for greater Israel really is lost!!  Get that thought firmly in your mind.  Even if it drags on for a couple of years that loss will be finalized.  The Palestinian people will live in their own State that will not be dictated to anymore that Lebanon, Syria, Egypt or Jordan.  There is going to be no back of the bus for Palestinians to get sent to.  Two years after the Lebanon end phase and 36 years after Nixon we have seen the original movie and ought to be able to recognize a shoddy remake.



Michael; of course the aggressors do the aggressing in an aggressive war for greater Israel.  DUH!   But they have lost this war and it has to be brought to a close just like Nixon brought the Vietnam war to a close.  They are doing this in an orgy of bloodshed, but they are doing this.  The Palestinian people are struggling their way to equality in the era when ‘Countries want independence Nations want liberation and the people want revolution.’



The Zionists (Rob excepted) want monitors because they are now prepared to stop the war and thus are prepared to keep the peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oz; That is an example of not thinking clearly.  The alternate Zionist leaderships do not believe that they even could get away with an ethnic cleansing let alone a genocide so they are out as options for a start, as is winning a failed war that’s now heading towards 42 years long and that is harming the interests of the sponsor the USA.  The USA Obama or not has had enough and are unable to fund this failure any longer anyhow.</p>
<p>The war for greater Israel really is lost!!  Get that thought firmly in your mind.  Even if it drags on for a couple of years that loss will be finalized.  The Palestinian people will live in their own State that will not be dictated to anymore that Lebanon, Syria, Egypt or Jordan.  There is going to be no back of the bus for Palestinians to get sent to.  Two years after the Lebanon end phase and 36 years after Nixon we have seen the original movie and ought to be able to recognize a shoddy remake.</p>
<p>Michael; of course the aggressors do the aggressing in an aggressive war for greater Israel.  DUH!   But they have lost this war and it has to be brought to a close just like Nixon brought the Vietnam war to a close.  They are doing this in an orgy of bloodshed, but they are doing this.  The Palestinian people are struggling their way to equality in the era when ‘Countries want independence Nations want liberation and the people want revolution.’</p>
<p>The Zionists (Rob excepted) want monitors because they are now prepared to stop the war and thus are prepared to keep the peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a very interesting analysis of the breakdown of the ceasefire,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-kanwisher/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611.html


And the analysis goes even further, looking back to 2000 to see when &#039;lulls&#039; in the violence are broken, and who is doing the breaking.  This is the conclusion,

...&lt;blockquote&gt;this analysis shows that it is overwhelmingly Israel that kills first after a pause in the conflict: 79% of all conflict pauses were interrupted when Israel killed a Palestinian, while only 8% were interrupted by Palestinian attacks (the remaining 13% were interrupted by both sides on the same day). In addition, we found that this pattern -- in which Israel is more likely than Palestine to kill first after a conflict pause -- becomes more pronounced for longer conflict pauses. Indeed, of the 25 periods of nonviolence lasting longer than a week, Israel unilaterally interrupted 24, or 96%, and it unilaterally interrupted 100% of the 14 periods of nonviolence lasting longer than 9 days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a very interesting analysis of the breakdown of the ceasefire,<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-kanwisher/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-kanwisher/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611.html</a></p>
<p>And the analysis goes even further, looking back to 2000 to see when &#8216;lulls&#8217; in the violence are broken, and who is doing the breaking.  This is the conclusion,</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
<blockquote>this analysis shows that it is overwhelmingly Israel that kills first after a pause in the conflict: 79% of all conflict pauses were interrupted when Israel killed a Palestinian, while only 8% were interrupted by Palestinian attacks (the remaining 13% were interrupted by both sides on the same day). In addition, we found that this pattern &#8212; in which Israel is more likely than Palestine to kill first after a conflict pause &#8212; becomes more pronounced for longer conflict pauses. Indeed, of the 25 periods of nonviolence lasting longer than a week, Israel unilaterally interrupted 24, or 96%, and it unilaterally interrupted 100% of the 14 periods of nonviolence lasting longer than 9 days.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/eyeless-in-gaza-ii/#comment-178307</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but the real question to answer is why did they start it, or what do they hope to gain from what is possible to gain?&quot;

Surely there are a number of obvious reasons that immediately come to mind? Elections in February, continuing the dehumanisation of the Palestinian people, an excuse to continue the genocide, they think they can militarily destroy Hamas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but the real question to answer is why did they start it, or what do they hope to gain from what is possible to gain?&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely there are a number of obvious reasons that immediately come to mind? Elections in February, continuing the dehumanisation of the Palestinian people, an excuse to continue the genocide, they think they can militarily destroy Hamas&#8230;</p>
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