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		<title>By: RobWindt</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/so-what-happened-to-peak-oil/#comment-178353</link>
		<dc:creator>RobWindt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A document by Matthew Simmons that attempts to explain how the financial and energy crises are interlinked. (He&#039;s a former adviser to Bush&#039;s energy taskforce and wrote Twilight In The Desert, a book that questions the credibility of Saudi Arabia&#039;s stated oil reserves)

http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Houston%20Energy%20Institute.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A document by Matthew Simmons that attempts to explain how the financial and energy crises are interlinked. (He&#8217;s a former adviser to Bush&#8217;s energy taskforce and wrote Twilight In The Desert, a book that questions the credibility of Saudi Arabia&#8217;s stated oil reserves)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Houston%20Energy%20Institute.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/Houston%20Energy%20Institute.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: wizofaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizofaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually David, currently most OPEC producers probably &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; have capacity to raise production, as they have recently cut back production in response to falling demand.  But as of early-mid 2008 pretty much everyone was pumping at full capacity, so if global production rates are ever to surpass that rate, then a lot more new projects need to be brought online (actually this is true just to maintain that rate, given a good percentage of currently produced fields are already in decline).

It is possible however that if the global economic situation takes a very long time to recover (say, 5 or more years) that Peak Oil has indeed already passed - if in the next 5 to 10 years technologies that significantly lower oil demand become commonplace (PHEVs/EVs etc.) then by the time economy is back to mid-2008 levels in terms of GDP etc., total oil demand could actually be lower.  However without explicit government-backed incentives this seems unlikely, because during recessionary periods consumers are far less likely to upgrade vehicles, even though there&#039;s potentially a significant financial advantage over, say, a 10 year period.  The area where perhaps there&#039;s the most potential to reduce long-term oil demand during a recessionary period is in the implementation of better public transport, as that&#039;s the sort of project that can be justified on economic stimulus grounds, and there&#039;s probably more willingness among commuters to consider &quot;cost saving measures&quot; such as using PT (offseting that however is the fact that a) petrol is currently cheap and b) there&#039;s slightly less traffic on the roads, so driving is a more attractive option).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually David, currently most OPEC producers probably <em>do</em> have capacity to raise production, as they have recently cut back production in response to falling demand.  But as of early-mid 2008 pretty much everyone was pumping at full capacity, so if global production rates are ever to surpass that rate, then a lot more new projects need to be brought online (actually this is true just to maintain that rate, given a good percentage of currently produced fields are already in decline).</p>
<p>It is possible however that if the global economic situation takes a very long time to recover (say, 5 or more years) that Peak Oil has indeed already passed &#8211; if in the next 5 to 10 years technologies that significantly lower oil demand become commonplace (PHEVs/EVs etc.) then by the time economy is back to mid-2008 levels in terms of GDP etc., total oil demand could actually be lower.  However without explicit government-backed incentives this seems unlikely, because during recessionary periods consumers are far less likely to upgrade vehicles, even though there&#8217;s potentially a significant financial advantage over, say, a 10 year period.  The area where perhaps there&#8217;s the most potential to reduce long-term oil demand during a recessionary period is in the implementation of better public transport, as that&#8217;s the sort of project that can be justified on economic stimulus grounds, and there&#8217;s probably more willingness among commuters to consider &#8220;cost saving measures&#8221; such as using PT (offseting that however is the fact that a) petrol is currently cheap and b) there&#8217;s slightly less traffic on the roads, so driving is a more attractive option).</p>
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		<title>By: Tyro Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyro Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Peak Oil, here&#039;s an interesting article I found today via FriendFeed - &quot;Fermi&#039;s Paradox and the End of Cheap Oil&quot;  - http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/fermi-paradox-and-end-of.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Peak Oil, here&#8217;s an interesting article I found today via FriendFeed &#8211; &#8220;Fermi&#8217;s Paradox and the End of Cheap Oil&#8221;  &#8211; <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/fermi-paradox-and-end-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/fermi-paradox-and-end-of.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: UNRR</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/so-what-happened-to-peak-oil/#comment-178350</link>
		<dc:creator>UNRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has been linked for the HOT5 Daily 1/6/2009, at &lt;a href=&quot;http://unreligiousright.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Unreligious Right&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has been linked for the HOT5 Daily 1/6/2009, at <a href="http://unreligiousright.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Unreligious Right</a></p>
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		<title>By: carbonsink</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/05/so-what-happened-to-peak-oil/#comment-178349</link>
		<dc:creator>carbonsink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The massive spike in commodity prices didn’t bring down the US economy - or, at least, I’ve not seen any commentary that identifies the commodity spike as a significant contributing factor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well here&#039;s one from James Hamilton: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2009/01/the_oil_shock_a_1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The oil shock and recession of 2008&lt;/a&gt;.

FWIW I don&#039;t believe the oil spike contributed much to the current crash.  If anything it was a symptom of the credit bubble, with oil demand being driven by the global credit binge.

In my view the price spike of 2008 was due to demand bumping up against supply constraints, with a healthy dose of the aforementioned hedge-fund speculation.  Now that demand has come off considerably, we&#039;re back to a situation where the world has several million barrels per day of spare capacity, and with no likelihood of that spare capacity being threatened in the near term, prices have collapsed.

All this means is another period of underinvestment in oil exploration and production (and alternative transportation technologies) so oil will spike again when the global economy recovers, and peak oilers will have another day in the sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The massive spike in commodity prices didn’t bring down the US economy &#8211; or, at least, I’ve not seen any commentary that identifies the commodity spike as a significant contributing factor.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well here&#8217;s one from James Hamilton: <a href="http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2009/01/the_oil_shock_a_1.html" rel="nofollow">The oil shock and recession of 2008</a>.</p>
<p>FWIW I don&#8217;t believe the oil spike contributed much to the current crash.  If anything it was a symptom of the credit bubble, with oil demand being driven by the global credit binge.</p>
<p>In my view the price spike of 2008 was due to demand bumping up against supply constraints, with a healthy dose of the aforementioned hedge-fund speculation.  Now that demand has come off considerably, we&#8217;re back to a situation where the world has several million barrels per day of spare capacity, and with no likelihood of that spare capacity being threatened in the near term, prices have collapsed.</p>
<p>All this means is another period of underinvestment in oil exploration and production (and alternative transportation technologies) so oil will spike again when the global economy recovers, and peak oilers will have another day in the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, BilB. It&#039;s more likely to be a plateau than a peak, so the downslope will be postponed as the world&#039;s economies contract, but I&#039;d be surprised if any of the oil producers could actually increase production at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, BilB. It&#8217;s more likely to be a plateau than a peak, so the downslope will be postponed as the world&#8217;s economies contract, but I&#8217;d be surprised if any of the oil producers could actually increase production at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: BilB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BilB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DI,

Keep in mind that if oil consumption drops and then steadily reduces, then peak oil could extend some time into the future, even if it had already passed. And there are a number of ways that that can happen, only some of which are good for the environment. So point taken, but even the most studied assessment can be at best a guess, at this stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DI,</p>
<p>Keep in mind that if oil consumption drops and then steadily reduces, then peak oil could extend some time into the future, even if it had already passed. And there are a number of ways that that can happen, only some of which are good for the environment. So point taken, but even the most studied assessment can be at best a guess, at this stage.</p>
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		<title>By: David Irving (no relation)</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBB and BilB, Ken Deffeyes has made a convincing case for peak oil having already been passed. He (slightly tongue in cheek) placed it at Thanksgiving 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBB and BilB, Ken Deffeyes has made a convincing case for peak oil having already been passed. He (slightly tongue in cheek) placed it at Thanksgiving 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: BilB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BilB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently a lot of that inflated price was hedge fund speculation and part of the mechanism was borrowed contracts much as shares lent by investment funds are used (apparently) for short trading. You have got to wonder whether all of this was a giant form of money laundering (famous new term to cap off 2008 &quot;giant Ponzi Scheme&quot;). After all, the money sent to Lehmann Brothers and the like by superannuation funds and private investors around the world went somewhere, and is a credit balance in someones bank account. There was a time when money had the status of matter, it could be neither created nor destroyed. It could only be relocated.

In today&#039;s world it seems that massive amounts of money can be vanished without trace as if it never existed and all that one has to do is give it a name....Global Finacial Crisis....Giant Ponzi Scheme.... and suddenly we understand, we have an explanation, so move on. If that is what we want to believe. And I think that a total lack of political backbone is going to make that the reality.

Personally I think that an important opportunity to reshape our transport infrastructure in a timely manner has been lost with collapsed oil prices. Certainly the lower petrol price is a relief, particularly for those facing mortgage stress, but an accelerated move to electric vehicles and alternative fuels would in the medium term provide a far greater advantage than a hiatus in high petrol prices is going to give. This is a situation where a flexible carbon tax could have been used to drive industry developments in directions where they need to go but cannot in a pure market environment.

&quot;Peak Oil&quot; will return again. It is a bit like predicting a share market crash. Every body knows that it is going to happen, just not now. Ooops too late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently a lot of that inflated price was hedge fund speculation and part of the mechanism was borrowed contracts much as shares lent by investment funds are used (apparently) for short trading. You have got to wonder whether all of this was a giant form of money laundering (famous new term to cap off 2008 &#8220;giant Ponzi Scheme&#8221;). After all, the money sent to Lehmann Brothers and the like by superannuation funds and private investors around the world went somewhere, and is a credit balance in someones bank account. There was a time when money had the status of matter, it could be neither created nor destroyed. It could only be relocated.</p>
<p>In today&#8217;s world it seems that massive amounts of money can be vanished without trace as if it never existed and all that one has to do is give it a name&#8230;.Global Finacial Crisis&#8230;.Giant Ponzi Scheme&#8230;. and suddenly we understand, we have an explanation, so move on. If that is what we want to believe. And I think that a total lack of political backbone is going to make that the reality.</p>
<p>Personally I think that an important opportunity to reshape our transport infrastructure in a timely manner has been lost with collapsed oil prices. Certainly the lower petrol price is a relief, particularly for those facing mortgage stress, but an accelerated move to electric vehicles and alternative fuels would in the medium term provide a far greater advantage than a hiatus in high petrol prices is going to give. This is a situation where a flexible carbon tax could have been used to drive industry developments in directions where they need to go but cannot in a pure market environment.</p>
<p>&#8220;Peak Oil&#8221; will return again. It is a bit like predicting a share market crash. Every body knows that it is going to happen, just not now. Ooops too late!</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
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		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding of the arguments of the more sensible &quot;peak oilers&quot; is that the price will become more volatile in response to demand fluctuations long before we start actually running out of oil.  That&#039;s because the cheapest oil to exploit is used up first, so the supply curve begins to slope upwards more.

Recent events are consistent with that line, though I&#039;m not really qualified to say if the rest of their arguments hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of the arguments of the more sensible &#8220;peak oilers&#8221; is that the price will become more volatile in response to demand fluctuations long before we start actually running out of oil.  That&#8217;s because the cheapest oil to exploit is used up first, so the supply curve begins to slope upwards more.</p>
<p>Recent events are consistent with that line, though I&#8217;m not really qualified to say if the rest of their arguments hold.</p>
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