Comments on: The Borg's (B)rough ride to the top http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:02:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: danny http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179312 danny Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:07:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179312 (cont.)...(t)o get the end-game maneuvres financed by the unions was fiendishly clever, and getting Johnnie off the hook, out of the house, and onto his pension plan, while allowing the left to think they won Bennelong was the icing. They knew the financial tsunami was coming, Costello told us, and they just didn't want to be holding the bags when it hit, so they took a fall. That last little leafletting caper on the eve of the election was a bit overkill, but they couldn't take any chances of winning I suppose. (cont.)…(t)o get the end-game maneuvres financed by the unions was fiendishly clever, and getting Johnnie off the hook, out of the house, and onto his pension plan, while allowing the left to think they won Bennelong was the icing. They knew the financial tsunami was coming, Costello told us, and they just didn’t want to be holding the bags when it hit, so they took a fall. That last little leafletting caper on the eve of the election was a bit overkill, but they couldn’t take any chances of winning I suppose.

]]> By: danny http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179311 danny Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:00:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179311 Steve: maybe it's retaliation for the way the tories managed to get their Manchurian candidate, Agent Krudd, installed. You gotta give them marks for long term planning, getting him to join the party at 15 was very deep cover. The way they managed t Steve: maybe it’s retaliation for the way the tories managed to get their Manchurian candidate, Agent Krudd, installed. You gotta give them marks for long term planning, getting him to join the party at 15 was very deep cover. The way they managed t

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179310 steve Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:38:47 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179310 danny,it boggles my mind as to how someone like that was office manager for the CFMEU. Is it a case of a lefty turned right or a Tory posing as a lefty. I'm sure it was a happy and healthy working environment during her tenure with the CFMEU if she now finds herself fitting in with hardcore tories as state secretary of the Liberal National Party. danny,it boggles my mind as to how someone like that was office manager for the CFMEU. Is it a case of a lefty turned right or a Tory posing as a lefty. I’m sure it was a happy and healthy working environment during her tenure with the CFMEU if she now finds herself fitting in with hardcore tories as state secretary of the Liberal National Party.

]]> By: danny http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179309 danny Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:52:10 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179309 Steve, Hopefully Ms Carroll's media monitor service (aka auto-googling) has picked up her mention here and, as party secretary, she will also pick-up on your suggestion about getting modern, professional and scientific about keeping up their end of the representative democracy deal: the provision of a credible alternative as a bulwark against incompetence, tyrrany, and corruption in government. I don't need them charts to tell me folks think the lnp are only gammon, that getting the borgias a bus and a helicopter to help convince themselves with the make-believe that they are electioneering is a bad joke. It's just plausible that Uncle Clive was prepared to spend so much on his son's education, and there's probably a tax deduction there anyway: surely the LNP MP is an endangered species, and the party itself is a registered <strike> basket case </strike> charity. Which doesn't worry me in the slightest, except it bodes ill for any chance of good governenece when the opposition is a joke. Catch the video stream for state parliament sometime and you'll see just how ill boding can get. I assumed the Ronan Lee/Indooripilly thing was preliminary to him being given top spot on the greens queensland senate ticket, harvesting the 12% yeti mentions, tho Ms Waters might have something to say about that, and we might see a new blood sport as the greens tear themselves apart over it, much to labor's glee. Steve, Hopefully Ms Carroll’s media monitor service (aka auto-googling) has picked up her mention here and, as party secretary, she will also pick-up on your suggestion about getting modern, professional and scientific about keeping up their end of the representative democracy deal: the provision of a credible alternative as a bulwark against incompetence, tyrrany, and corruption in government.
I don’t need them charts to tell me folks think the lnp are only gammon, that getting the borgias a bus and a helicopter to help convince themselves with the make-believe that they are electioneering is a bad joke. It’s just plausible that Uncle Clive was prepared to spend so much on his son’s education, and there’s probably a tax deduction there anyway: surely the LNP MP is an endangered species, and the party itself is a registered basket case charity.
Which doesn’t worry me in the slightest, except it bodes ill for any chance of good governenece when the opposition is a joke. Catch the video stream for state parliament sometime and you’ll see just how ill boding can get.
I assumed the Ronan Lee/Indooripilly thing was preliminary to him being given top spot on the greens queensland senate ticket, harvesting the 12% yeti mentions, tho Ms Waters might have something to say about that, and we might see a new blood sport as the greens tear themselves apart over it, much to labor’s glee.

]]> By: Dallas Beaufort http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179308 Dallas Beaufort Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:31:29 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179308 A policy for those active, who can stay fit and healthy riding a bicycle somewhere else, other that a main road or pedestrian path. A policy for those active, who can stay fit and healthy riding a bicycle somewhere else, other that a main road or pedestrian path.

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179307 steve Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:26:19 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179307 danni, interesting theory but I'd have thought the the goal at the next election for the Greens might have been to fight the Tories and retain Indooroopilly. Plot yourself a graph of all the newspolls in Queensland since 2001 with a running trendline and it will show you exactly how badly the Liberal National vote has fallen away since about August last year. It will only take about an hour or so as the Queensland Newspolls only come out every quarter with an extra couple thrown in just before each election.The results will astound you. danni, interesting theory but I’d have thought the the goal at the next election for the Greens might have been to fight the Tories and retain Indooroopilly. Plot yourself a graph of all the newspolls in Queensland since 2001 with a running trendline and it will show you exactly how badly the Liberal National vote has fallen away since about August last year. It will only take about an hour or so as the Queensland Newspolls only come out every quarter with an extra couple thrown in just before each election.The results will astound you.

]]> By: yeti http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179306 yeti Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:48:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179306 what a joke of an electoral system. there's not even a senate. the greens could win 12% of the vote or more and not get a single seat - ever. I hate it. what a joke of an electoral system. there’s not even a senate. the greens could win 12% of the vote or more and not get a single seat – ever. I hate it.

]]> By: danny http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179305 danny Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:20:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179305 Shock, horror, surprise, surprise... longish-term ex-headoffice-CFMEU staffer gets selected as candidate for safe-ish Labor seat .... <a href="http://www.lnp.org.au/lnp-article/our-team/candidate-for-south-brisbane/300.html" rel="nofollow">Mary Carroll </a>. Could be interesting how she manages the Greens preferences issue, cos on the 2006 sitting member's numbers, half a Brough-sized leakage from labor to green, (the Ronan Lee type ex-laborite constituency as it were, it's an already verdant electorate, and if such a constituency has developed, it would be here) would see the seat going to preferences. A similar leak from tory to green would see greens harvesting tory preferences, a bit of an unknown/ unreported quantity since it's usually been the greens whose preferences get counted and reported. If the Greens really think the seat is winnable, and realise Tory preferences are The Only Way to get there, and work with the LNP to shift the seat, that labor safe-ishness could evaporate, but it's a very unlikely if: as the above post suggests, the Borgias aren't much chop at Machiavelli, it's too much like work for a start, and requires discipline and a modicum of strategic thinking.(The same can probably be said for the Greens, except they aren't scared of work per se, as in policy development, just the down-and-dirty electoral dealings type work.) Oh, I nearly forgot, the ex-CFMEU staffer candidate is standing for the LNP, (= on topic), she's the LNP state party secretary, perhaps even the brains of the outfit, might just have a head for preference matters, as above. Shock, horror, surprise, surprise… longish-term ex-headoffice-CFMEU staffer gets selected as candidate for safe-ish Labor seat …. Mary Carroll .
Could be interesting how she manages the Greens preferences issue, cos on the 2006 sitting member’s numbers, half a Brough-sized leakage from labor to green, (the Ronan Lee type ex-laborite constituency as it were, it’s an already verdant electorate, and if such a constituency has developed, it would be here) would see the seat going to preferences. A similar leak from tory to green would see greens harvesting tory preferences, a bit of an unknown/ unreported quantity since it’s usually been the greens whose preferences get counted and reported.
If the Greens really think the seat is winnable, and realise Tory preferences are The Only Way to get there, and work with the LNP to shift the seat, that labor safe-ishness could evaporate, but it’s a very unlikely if: as the above post suggests, the Borgias aren’t much chop at Machiavelli, it’s too much like work for a start, and requires discipline and a modicum of strategic thinking.(The same can probably be said for the Greens, except they aren’t scared of work per se, as in policy development, just the down-and-dirty electoral dealings type work.)
Oh, I nearly forgot, the ex-CFMEU staffer candidate is standing for the LNP, (= on topic), she’s the LNP state party secretary, perhaps even the brains of the outfit, might just have a head for preference matters, as above.

]]> By: Lefty E http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179304 Lefty E Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:23:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179304 Ah, remembered the name, and found him. He ended up working for John Anderson when he was Deputy PM. That makes sense.... Ah, remembered the name, and found him. He ended up working for John Anderson when he was Deputy PM.

That makes sense….

]]> By: Lefty E http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179303 Lefty E Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:18:53 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/09/the-borgs-brough-ride-to-the-top/#comment-179303 Yep, 20 years of being 'the future'. I remember seeing his head in the C-M way back then adn thinking "wow, someone my age is in parliament". Then again, those were the days when Russell Cooper was "young blood", invigorating the class of '68 geriatrics in the NP. The one I felt sorry for was Bill, cant remember his last name, wouldnt post if it I could though; kinda liked him actually, NP nerd that was he was. He was our age, graduated hons in '89 and got a plum job up as a QLD NP Ministerial adviser - about 10 minutes before the bunker was overrun on Dec 2. have never seem him since... wonder what he's up to. Yep, 20 years of being ‘the future’. I remember seeing his head in the C-M way back then adn thinking “wow, someone my age is in parliament”. Then again, those were the days when Russell Cooper was “young blood”, invigorating the class of ’68 geriatrics in the NP.

The one I felt sorry for was Bill, cant remember his last name, wouldnt post if it I could though; kinda liked him actually, NP nerd that was he was.

He was our age, graduated hons in ’89 and got a plum job up as a QLD NP Ministerial adviser – about 10 minutes before the bunker was overrun on Dec 2. have never seem him since… wonder what he’s up to.

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