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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Conversely, in the 1980s, when the US economy was simply the biggest among several modern economies, Reagan decoupled US political economy from the advanced-world consensus.&lt;/i&gt;
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Ya reckon?
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I wonder what Hawkeating, Thatcher et al would have to say about that? Seems to me that Keynsianism lasted as long as it did because it was the prevailing economic wisdom. When it tanked (they all tank) they went with Friedman. And now.....
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&lt;i&gt;He probably was the best candidate, but how could people prove how open minded they were by voting for him? Other wise they’d actually have to be more tolerant in practice, and that would be too hard.&lt;/i&gt;
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This idea that people voted for Obama because he&#039;s black is ABSOLUTE CRAP! I&#039;ve never seen any actual evidence that this is so outside of African-American communities.
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Obama may turn out to be history&#039;s greatest charlatan. If he does so it&#039;s because he&#039;s also the best orator I&#039;ve ever seen in my lifetime. The man is impressive in a way that no other politician I&#039;ve seen has been ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Conversely, in the 1980s, when the US economy was simply the biggest among several modern economies, Reagan decoupled US political economy from the advanced-world consensus.</i><br />
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Ya reckon?<br />
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I wonder what Hawkeating, Thatcher et al would have to say about that? Seems to me that Keynsianism lasted as long as it did because it was the prevailing economic wisdom. When it tanked (they all tank) they went with Friedman. And now&#8230;..<br />
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<i>He probably was the best candidate, but how could people prove how open minded they were by voting for him? Other wise they’d actually have to be more tolerant in practice, and that would be too hard.</i><br />
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This idea that people voted for Obama because he&#8217;s black is ABSOLUTE CRAP! I&#8217;ve never seen any actual evidence that this is so outside of African-American communities.<br />
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Obama may turn out to be history&#8217;s greatest charlatan. If he does so it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s also the best orator I&#8217;ve ever seen in my lifetime. The man is impressive in a way that no other politician I&#8217;ve seen has been ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vladimir - &lt;i&gt;And yet the 50s, often seen as the glory days of the classical American dream, also saw the highest tax rates in the nation’s history. AFAICR the top rate was around 90%.&lt;/i&gt;
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Yeah. However it&#039;s also worth remembering that such high tax rates led to &#039;brain drains&#039; particularly in the UK. My father, for instance, split the UK, as despite his qualifications in civil engineering and geology, his income was little more than a foreman in a coal yard. Where was his incentive?
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The 1950s was the first decent decade in 30 years. I used to wonder about the old man&#039;s stingy ways until I realized he was in his thirties before he saw anything like what we&#039;d regard as a decent standard of living.  People in the &#039;50 were used to forking over large sums to the govt. Nowadays they&#039;re much more reluctant. Given the disregard for fiscal restraint and efficiency that I&#039;ve seen in the public sector I&#039;m not surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vladimir &#8211; <i>And yet the 50s, often seen as the glory days of the classical American dream, also saw the highest tax rates in the nation’s history. AFAICR the top rate was around 90%.</i><br />
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Yeah. However it&#8217;s also worth remembering that such high tax rates led to &#8216;brain drains&#8217; particularly in the UK. My father, for instance, split the UK, as despite his qualifications in civil engineering and geology, his income was little more than a foreman in a coal yard. Where was his incentive?<br />
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The 1950s was the first decent decade in 30 years. I used to wonder about the old man&#8217;s stingy ways until I realized he was in his thirties before he saw anything like what we&#8217;d regard as a decent standard of living.  People in the &#8217;50 were used to forking over large sums to the govt. Nowadays they&#8217;re much more reluctant. Given the disregard for fiscal restraint and efficiency that I&#8217;ve seen in the public sector I&#8217;m not surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yet the 50s, often seen as the glory days of the classical American dream, also saw the highest tax rates in the nation’s history. AFAICR the top rate was around 90%.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Important point Nabs.

The 50s halcyon days lasted as long as the folks being slugged constituted a politically insignificant percentage of the electorate.

After 1970s inflation-driven &quot;bracket creep&quot; consigned the US middle classes to income tax hell, business interests and the American Right rode a populist revolt to power and to a major re-ordering of the US political economy, featuring much lower taxes, especially for corporations.

This was the moment the political economy of the US began to look very different from the political economy of other advanced countries.

Ironically, during the 1950s, when the US economy was truly exceptional, Eisenhower was conforming with the rest of the world by adopting keynesianism. Conversely, in the 1980s, when the US economy was simply the biggest among several modern economies, Reagan decoupled US political economy from the advanced-world consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And yet the 50s, often seen as the glory days of the classical American dream, also saw the highest tax rates in the nation’s history. AFAICR the top rate was around 90%.</p></blockquote>
<p>Important point Nabs.</p>
<p>The 50s halcyon days lasted as long as the folks being slugged constituted a politically insignificant percentage of the electorate.</p>
<p>After 1970s inflation-driven &#8220;bracket creep&#8221; consigned the US middle classes to income tax hell, business interests and the American Right rode a populist revolt to power and to a major re-ordering of the US political economy, featuring much lower taxes, especially for corporations.</p>
<p>This was the moment the political economy of the US began to look very different from the political economy of other advanced countries.</p>
<p>Ironically, during the 1950s, when the US economy was truly exceptional, Eisenhower was conforming with the rest of the world by adopting keynesianism. Conversely, in the 1980s, when the US economy was simply the biggest among several modern economies, Reagan decoupled US political economy from the advanced-world consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Nickws</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nickws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He probably was the best candidate, but how could people prove how open minded they were by voting for him? Other wise they’d actually have to be more tolerant in practice, and that would be too hard&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He also explicitly stated he didn&#039;t want the votes of people who would decide their vote based on misogyny or anti-black racism.

I don&#039;t know what his position on the pivotal troll demographic was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He probably was the best candidate, but how could people prove how open minded they were by voting for him? Other wise they’d actually have to be more tolerant in practice, and that would be too hard</p></blockquote>
<p>He also explicitly stated he didn&#8217;t want the votes of people who would decide their vote based on misogyny or anti-black racism.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what his position on the pivotal troll demographic was.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thing is they also don’t wanna fork over 50% of their paycheques.&quot;

And yet the 50s, often seen as the glory days of the classical American dream, also saw the highest tax rates in the nation&#039;s history. AFAICR the top rate was around 90%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thing is they also don’t wanna fork over 50% of their paycheques.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet the 50s, often seen as the glory days of the classical American dream, also saw the highest tax rates in the nation&#8217;s history. AFAICR the top rate was around 90%.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Generally I think the Dems and the GOP express the social, political and commercial alliances of their base which shifts from time to time.&quot;

Yup, follow the money. Someone really should map the changing nature of the American political landscape against the rise and fall of its economic centres of influence. Like Olgesby&#039;s &quot;The Yankee and Cowboy War&quot; but with a bigger and less ideological scope.

As someone else observed - a detailed look at the policies pursued during the Republican ascendancy from 1994 to the present reveals no pattern except a fanatical determination to subsidize some industries (energy, defense, agrobusiness) and remove any and every obstacle to the profits of others (Wall Street, credit, insurance, pharma, telecommunications). And this not for philosophical reasons but because, given the structure of electoral financing, members of the legislative and executive branches are simply the employees of these industries.

And the Democrats are no less spotless. See the dot.com boom and the more corrupt unions for starters.

Fun and perhaps not completely OT fact. Warren Harding&#039;s last words, delivered in Alaska, were: &quot;How do the bull seals control their extensive harems?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Generally I think the Dems and the GOP express the social, political and commercial alliances of their base which shifts from time to time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yup, follow the money. Someone really should map the changing nature of the American political landscape against the rise and fall of its economic centres of influence. Like Olgesby&#8217;s &#8220;The Yankee and Cowboy War&#8221; but with a bigger and less ideological scope.</p>
<p>As someone else observed &#8211; a detailed look at the policies pursued during the Republican ascendancy from 1994 to the present reveals no pattern except a fanatical determination to subsidize some industries (energy, defense, agrobusiness) and remove any and every obstacle to the profits of others (Wall Street, credit, insurance, pharma, telecommunications). And this not for philosophical reasons but because, given the structure of electoral financing, members of the legislative and executive branches are simply the employees of these industries.</p>
<p>And the Democrats are no less spotless. See the dot.com boom and the more corrupt unions for starters.</p>
<p>Fun and perhaps not completely OT fact. Warren Harding&#8217;s last words, delivered in Alaska, were: &#8220;How do the bull seals control their extensive harems?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact that they don’t have anything like the modern public health systems of Europeans or us tells us something as does the way in which Clinton tried to manifest same.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed - it tells us something about the inadequacy of the Democratic Party as a vehicle for delivering something people want. Healthcare was probably the second most important issue in 92 after the economy. It was the strength of feeling on this - manifested in a special Senate election in Pennsylvania (from memory) in 91 - that began to convince people that Bush I was beatable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The fact that they don’t have anything like the modern public health systems of Europeans or us tells us something as does the way in which Clinton tried to manifest same.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed &#8211; it tells us something about the inadequacy of the Democratic Party as a vehicle for delivering something people want. Healthcare was probably the second most important issue in 92 after the economy. It was the strength of feeling on this &#8211; manifested in a special Senate election in Pennsylvania (from memory) in 91 &#8211; that began to convince people that Bush I was beatable.</p>
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		<title>By: 5%? F*ck that Rudd</title>
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		<dc:creator>5%? F*ck that Rudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;P.S. I was sort of hoping John Edwards would win.&lt;/em&gt;

He probably was the best candidate, but how could people prove how open minded they were by voting for him? Other wise they&#039;d actually have to be more tolerant in practice, and that would be too hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>P.S. I was sort of hoping John Edwards would win.</em></p>
<p>He probably was the best candidate, but how could people prove how open minded they were by voting for him? Other wise they&#8217;d actually have to be more tolerant in practice, and that would be too hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not sure there are any [self-described Australian Communists] writing!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Almost all of the conservative intelligentsia in this country have done some time apologising for Soviet or Maoist Communism - Windschuttle, McGuinness et al. If you take the attitude once a Com, always a Com, then they haven&#039;t died, just joined &#039;Quadrant&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m not sure there are any [self-described Australian Communists] writing!</p></blockquote>
<p>Almost all of the conservative intelligentsia in this country have done some time apologising for Soviet or Maoist Communism &#8211; Windschuttle, McGuinness et al. If you take the attitude once a Com, always a Com, then they haven&#8217;t died, just joined &#8216;Quadrant&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - &lt;i&gt;They would say that, wouldn’t they?&lt;/i
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Who, the Blairites?
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&lt;i&gt;In both America and Britain, opinion polls have shown large majorities for the core elements of social democracy - a robust welfare system, progressive taxes, etc. all through the neoliberal era.&lt;/i&gt;
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This is oft-quoted as evidence that &#039;The People&#039; want socialism. Thing is they also don&#039;t wanna fork over 50% of their paycheques. They want socialist services and liberal incomes. What can you do? I reckon there&#039;s probably a shitload of polls out there that will show that people are socialists or liberals depending on whether the poll was conducted by socialists of liberals.
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&lt;i&gt;I’m also generally allergic to the mention of the “Anglosphere”. It’s almost always either a sign of over-generalisation or right wing inspired thinking.&lt;/i&gt;
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Well we wouldn&#039;t want any right-wing thinking would we? As &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_(prophet)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mani&lt;/a&gt; has told us: WE ARE AT WAR!
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Thing is,it&#039;s a good term to describe the English speaking world. It &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be an over-generalization if you&#039;re, um over-generalizing. But considering the convergence of techniques, views, rhetoric etc between the political parties, technocratic elites and thinking tanks in the US, UK and Oz et al it&#039;s not so far fetched.
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People say &#039;the West&#039; is an over-generalization and they&#039;re right. But reading some of Umberto Eco&#039;s recent stuff does make one thing clear. He&#039;s talking about Italian politics. But the rhetoric and the issues are almost identical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; <i>They would say that, wouldn’t they?&lt;/i<br />
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Who, the Blairites?<br />
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</i><i>In both America and Britain, opinion polls have shown large majorities for the core elements of social democracy &#8211; a robust welfare system, progressive taxes, etc. all through the neoliberal era.</i><br />
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This is oft-quoted as evidence that &#8216;The People&#8217; want socialism. Thing is they also don&#8217;t wanna fork over 50% of their paycheques. They want socialist services and liberal incomes. What can you do? I reckon there&#8217;s probably a shitload of polls out there that will show that people are socialists or liberals depending on whether the poll was conducted by socialists of liberals.<br />
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<i>I’m also generally allergic to the mention of the “Anglosphere”. It’s almost always either a sign of over-generalisation or right wing inspired thinking.</i><br />
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Well we wouldn&#8217;t want any right-wing thinking would we? As <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_(prophet)" rel="nofollow">Mani</a> has told us: WE ARE AT WAR!<br />
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Thing is,it&#8217;s a good term to describe the English speaking world. It <i>might</i> be an over-generalization if you&#8217;re, um over-generalizing. But considering the convergence of techniques, views, rhetoric etc between the political parties, technocratic elites and thinking tanks in the US, UK and Oz et al it&#8217;s not so far fetched.<br />
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People say &#8216;the West&#8217; is an over-generalization and they&#8217;re right. But reading some of Umberto Eco&#8217;s recent stuff does make one thing clear. He&#8217;s talking about Italian politics. But the rhetoric and the issues are almost identical.</p>
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