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		<title>By: dk.au</title>
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		<dc:creator>dk.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elsewhere: Possum &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/01/14/barnabys-electoral-dartboard/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on Barnaby&#039;s Electoral Dartboard&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elsewhere: Possum <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/01/14/barnabys-electoral-dartboard/" rel="nofollow">on Barnaby&#8217;s Electoral Dartboard</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Another possibility is Groom if Ian Macdonald retires, but to make that call you’d have to know more than I do about Who’s Who In Toowoomba.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

LNP notwithstanding, the Libs would not want to hand Groom over to the Nationals. Though that does raise the question - at grass roots level - of who controls preselection since there is no organised Liberal Party in Queensland. If, as I expect, the LNP lose the state election, you have to remember there&#039;ll be enormous confusion and disarray in the Tory ranks in Qld and that will play a role in the next federal election. If the LNP win the state election, which is just possible, there&#039;ll be enormous confusion and disarray when it comes to the federal election over preselections in vacant and Labor held seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Another possibility is Groom if Ian Macdonald retires, but to make that call you’d have to know more than I do about Who’s Who In Toowoomba.</p></blockquote>
<p>LNP notwithstanding, the Libs would not want to hand Groom over to the Nationals. Though that does raise the question &#8211; at grass roots level &#8211; of who controls preselection since there is no organised Liberal Party in Queensland. If, as I expect, the LNP lose the state election, you have to remember there&#8217;ll be enormous confusion and disarray in the Tory ranks in Qld and that will play a role in the next federal election. If the LNP win the state election, which is just possible, there&#8217;ll be enormous confusion and disarray when it comes to the federal election over preselections in vacant and Labor held seats.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/barnabys-choice/#comment-179785</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a fantasy that Barnaby will want to battle for a seat. He won&#039;t want to take on the ALP in a marginal, he won&#039;t want to take on an entrenched independent like Windsor or Katter, because he&#039;d have to battle at every election. He&#039;ll want a seat that causes him no trouble - and the only Nat seat that fits that bill is Maranoa. Another possibility is Groom if Ian Macdonald retires, but to make that call you&#039;d have to know more than I do about Who&#039;s Who In Toowoomba.

Why would Barnaby want to become a Coalitionist? What he wants is to be the powerbroker. Over the next 12 months, two things will have to happen for Barnaby to go for the Reps. If both of these are present he&#039;ll be into Maranoa and barnstorming rural Australia to achieve what Pauline Hanson had hoped: build a rural/regional rump that plays the majors off against each other.

First, Labor have to do a workmanlike job. Not a great job, with shiny new pronouncements every week, but mere hanging-on-for-grim-death competence. Imagine the tone of this government is set by the strained (dare I use the word &#039;embattled&#039;?) Wayne Swan or Peter Garrett, rather than the easy confidence of Gillard or Tanner.

Second, imagine that the Libs score a few hits on the government - Turnbull and Hockey make some impressive appearances, maybe take a ministerial scalp or two - and create the impression that while the GFC isn&#039;t Labor&#039;s fault, they haven&#039;t done enough to mitigate it.

If both these factors are present by about August/September, Barnaby will step in as the &#039;honest broker&#039; (insert your favorite comment about being broke and dishonest here), with a constituency of &#039;forgotten people&#039; in rural/regional Australia. He won&#039;t play the race card as Hanson did, and as a St George man he&#039;ll have to do some fancy footwork on Murray-Darling water issues. Seats like Robertson come into contention with the right candidate, and the gunloser/CRC constituency should be good for 2-3 seats to the north of the Sunshine Coast.

His ideal position is a House of Reps after 2010 where each of the majors get 70 seats, and there&#039;s him, Windsor, Katter, Oakeshott and a few other RARA whingers who hold the balance of power. No responsibility - but hoo boy, feel the power.

This situation depends on Labor declining slightly and the Libs improving, but not to the point where the next election is in the bag for them (and hence they don&#039;t need Barnaby, and will be content with tame Nats like Truss). If either of those factors are absent the switch to the House is too much like hard work for Barnaby, he&#039;ll stay where he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fantasy that Barnaby will want to battle for a seat. He won&#8217;t want to take on the ALP in a marginal, he won&#8217;t want to take on an entrenched independent like Windsor or Katter, because he&#8217;d have to battle at every election. He&#8217;ll want a seat that causes him no trouble &#8211; and the only Nat seat that fits that bill is Maranoa. Another possibility is Groom if Ian Macdonald retires, but to make that call you&#8217;d have to know more than I do about Who&#8217;s Who In Toowoomba.</p>
<p>Why would Barnaby want to become a Coalitionist? What he wants is to be the powerbroker. Over the next 12 months, two things will have to happen for Barnaby to go for the Reps. If both of these are present he&#8217;ll be into Maranoa and barnstorming rural Australia to achieve what Pauline Hanson had hoped: build a rural/regional rump that plays the majors off against each other.</p>
<p>First, Labor have to do a workmanlike job. Not a great job, with shiny new pronouncements every week, but mere hanging-on-for-grim-death competence. Imagine the tone of this government is set by the strained (dare I use the word &#8216;embattled&#8217;?) Wayne Swan or Peter Garrett, rather than the easy confidence of Gillard or Tanner.</p>
<p>Second, imagine that the Libs score a few hits on the government &#8211; Turnbull and Hockey make some impressive appearances, maybe take a ministerial scalp or two &#8211; and create the impression that while the GFC isn&#8217;t Labor&#8217;s fault, they haven&#8217;t done enough to mitigate it.</p>
<p>If both these factors are present by about August/September, Barnaby will step in as the &#8216;honest broker&#8217; (insert your favorite comment about being broke and dishonest here), with a constituency of &#8216;forgotten people&#8217; in rural/regional Australia. He won&#8217;t play the race card as Hanson did, and as a St George man he&#8217;ll have to do some fancy footwork on Murray-Darling water issues. Seats like Robertson come into contention with the right candidate, and the gunloser/CRC constituency should be good for 2-3 seats to the north of the Sunshine Coast.</p>
<p>His ideal position is a House of Reps after 2010 where each of the majors get 70 seats, and there&#8217;s him, Windsor, Katter, Oakeshott and a few other RARA whingers who hold the balance of power. No responsibility &#8211; but hoo boy, feel the power.</p>
<p>This situation depends on Labor declining slightly and the Libs improving, but not to the point where the next election is in the bag for them (and hence they don&#8217;t need Barnaby, and will be content with tame Nats like Truss). If either of those factors are absent the switch to the House is too much like hard work for Barnaby, he&#8217;ll stay where he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia WA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia WA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a constant amazement to me that Barnbaby Joyce has any standing at all in national politics. &quot;Rambling and disconnected&quot; is an excellent description of him in general and not just in the Australian article.   I watch his painfully slow thought processes on his media appearances and want to shake him, particularly when they result often in inane, simplistic and sometimes surprisingly bigoted comments.  Is the explanation that his appeal to his electorate is like to like?  I recall he first appeared in the Senate as hopeful talent of independent thought who said he would put his electorate before other interests.   He seemed to teeter on the edge of really independent stances, but ultimately caved in.   And yes, I do think John Howard is not wanting to do him a favour by suggesting he move to the House of Reps.   I may not respect Howard on moral issues but he has the cunning of a sewer rat for political machination. I am sure BJ would have no inkling of what might motivate Howard&#039;s advice.  Is my nickname of &quot;Bumbling Barnaby&quot; unfair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a constant amazement to me that Barnbaby Joyce has any standing at all in national politics. &#8220;Rambling and disconnected&#8221; is an excellent description of him in general and not just in the Australian article.   I watch his painfully slow thought processes on his media appearances and want to shake him, particularly when they result often in inane, simplistic and sometimes surprisingly bigoted comments.  Is the explanation that his appeal to his electorate is like to like?  I recall he first appeared in the Senate as hopeful talent of independent thought who said he would put his electorate before other interests.   He seemed to teeter on the edge of really independent stances, but ultimately caved in.   And yes, I do think John Howard is not wanting to do him a favour by suggesting he move to the House of Reps.   I may not respect Howard on moral issues but he has the cunning of a sewer rat for political machination. I am sure BJ would have no inkling of what might motivate Howard&#8217;s advice.  Is my nickname of &#8220;Bumbling Barnaby&#8221; unfair?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/barnabys-choice/#comment-179783</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I forget the name of the state seat up there (Fitzroy?) where back in the day the CPA often used to beat the Nats into third place.

Dawson is hardly core Barnaby country. Particularly since in some ways Deanne Kelly was his ideological soulmate from the NCC/DLPish wing of the Nats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I forget the name of the state seat up there (Fitzroy?) where back in the day the CPA often used to beat the Nats into third place.</p>
<p>Dawson is hardly core Barnaby country. Particularly since in some ways Deanne Kelly was his ideological soulmate from the NCC/DLPish wing of the Nats.</p>
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		<title>By: mikesimpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikesimpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. The other big change that has happened in Dawson over the course of the mining boom is the growing number of miners who live, and presumably vote, in Dawson, but work in the Bowen basin (capricornia). The vote in the bowen basin mining communities never dips much below 70% ALP, and also the workchoices campaign in Dawson was very much a CFMEU campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. The other big change that has happened in Dawson over the course of the mining boom is the growing number of miners who live, and presumably vote, in Dawson, but work in the Bowen basin (capricornia). The vote in the bowen basin mining communities never dips much below 70% ALP, and also the workchoices campaign in Dawson was very much a CFMEU campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikesimpson, but I think the salient factor was that it was &quot;battlers&quot; who swung in Dawson - those not making merry from the mining boom but impacted by or worried about WorkChoices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikesimpson, but I think the salient factor was that it was &#8220;battlers&#8221; who swung in Dawson &#8211; those not making merry from the mining boom but impacted by or worried about WorkChoices.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sorry.  That last sentence should read &quot;who was a constant source of irritation...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry.  That last sentence should read &#8220;who was a constant source of irritation&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to advance another possibility for Howard&#039;s seeming endorsement of Barnaby Joyce.
Howard has a long memory and obviously remembers that another National populist from Queensland, one Bjelke-Petersen, derailed his chances of victory in the 1980s.
What a sweet revenge it would be to persuade another Queensland National populist to give up a position of power in the Senate to try for a Reps seat.
Whatever seat it is, Barnaby is no shoo-in.  This, after all, is a politician who panders to the extreme Right wingers.  For example, his insult of pensioners that they would spend their extra money on Chinese plasma TV sets will not win him many votes from that section of the electorate.
With Barnaby being the potential Nationals Leader, there could be an even greater swing away from them - and that wouldn&#039;t disappoint Howard!
Remember, also, that Howard would not have a high opinion of Barnaby, whow as a constant source of irritation to him when he was in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to advance another possibility for Howard&#8217;s seeming endorsement of Barnaby Joyce.<br />
Howard has a long memory and obviously remembers that another National populist from Queensland, one Bjelke-Petersen, derailed his chances of victory in the 1980s.<br />
What a sweet revenge it would be to persuade another Queensland National populist to give up a position of power in the Senate to try for a Reps seat.<br />
Whatever seat it is, Barnaby is no shoo-in.  This, after all, is a politician who panders to the extreme Right wingers.  For example, his insult of pensioners that they would spend their extra money on Chinese plasma TV sets will not win him many votes from that section of the electorate.<br />
With Barnaby being the potential Nationals Leader, there could be an even greater swing away from them &#8211; and that wouldn&#8217;t disappoint Howard!<br />
Remember, also, that Howard would not have a high opinion of Barnaby, whow as a constant source of irritation to him when he was in power.</p>
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		<title>By: mikesimpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikesimpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I&#039;m not sure you can accurately refer to Dawson as a &#039;battlers&#039; seat. Although it may all be about to change, Dawson has been the major beneficiary of the coal boom. The ALP winning Dawson was probably a result of an unpopular sitting member and a very long and well resourced campaign by the ACTU. The new sitting member seems determined to be oncer which may be the basis of Dawson appealing to Barnaby but I would imagine that Flynn would probably be a better bet for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I&#8217;m not sure you can accurately refer to Dawson as a &#8216;battlers&#8217; seat. Although it may all be about to change, Dawson has been the major beneficiary of the coal boom. The ALP winning Dawson was probably a result of an unpopular sitting member and a very long and well resourced campaign by the ACTU. The new sitting member seems determined to be oncer which may be the basis of Dawson appealing to Barnaby but I would imagine that Flynn would probably be a better bet for him.</p>
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