Comments on: Unemployment and social responsibility http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:31:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Shaunna of NSW/ACT http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180025 Shaunna of NSW/ACT Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:24:46 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180025 There has been little social responsibility or ethical conduct from business. this person has been not in the labor force for more than seven years at last count, with cumulative periods out of the labor force and/or unemployed exceeding twelve years. If the applicant is a transsexual, as I am, its an experience of being consistently passed over, even for mediocre competitors. There has been little social responsibility or ethical conduct from business. this person has been not in the labor force for more than seven years at last count, with cumulative periods out of the labor force and/or unemployed exceeding twelve years. If the applicant is a transsexual, as I am, its an experience of being consistently passed over, even for mediocre competitors.

]]> By: Jacques de Molay http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180024 Jacques de Molay Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:25:42 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180024 Labor Outsider @ 37, Yes, I had a case manager with the CES. Chris @ 52, From memory WFTD for the long-term unemployed (that very definition kept changing under Howard from 12 months to 9 months to 6 months etc) was 30 hours a week and for someone over 18 worked out to be about $7 an hour. Labor Outsider @ 37,

Yes, I had a case manager with the CES.

Chris @ 52,

From memory WFTD for the long-term unemployed (that very definition kept changing under Howard from 12 months to 9 months to 6 months etc) was 30 hours a week and for someone over 18 worked out to be about $7 an hour.

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180023 Paul Burns Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:35:02 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180023 Katz, Yes. I agree. I should have thought of it. And, as I understand it,resentment the corvee was one of the many causes of the French Revolution. I just want to see the unemployed stop being treated like second-class citizens. Katz,
Yes. I agree. I should have thought of it. And, as I understand it,resentment the corvee was one of the many causes of the French Revolution.
I just want to see the unemployed stop being treated like second-class citizens.

]]> By: Katz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180022 Katz Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:50:54 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180022 Work for the dole is less like new world slavery than it is like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvee" rel="nofollow">corvee</a>, which is old-world feudalism. Under the corvee, persons of low estate were put to work under the authority of feudal lords. Under Work for the Dole persons without a legitimate role in the economy are put to work under the authority of governments whose survival depends upon acting out the prejudices of the marginal voter. Work for the dole is less like new world slavery than it is like the corvee, which is old-world feudalism.

Under the corvee, persons of low estate were put to work under the authority of feudal lords.

Under Work for the Dole persons without a legitimate role in the economy are put to work under the authority of governments whose survival depends upon acting out the prejudices of the marginal voter.

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180021 Paul Burns Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:33:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180021 chris @ 52, I have no idea. I've never had to do it. I object to the practice on principle. IMO, its demeaning, stigmatising, and exploitative, as is the whole attitude to unemployed people at Centrelink, if the dole recipents I've spoken to are correct in what they tell me. And I'm talking about everyone on Newstart now, not just WFD. I understand the Rudd Government have stopped WFD, but am not sure if that's true. If they have, they wouldn't have done it for reasons other than those of humanity, given their consewrvative bent in economics. chris @ 52,
I have no idea. I’ve never had to do it. I object to the practice on principle. IMO, its demeaning, stigmatising, and exploitative, as is the whole attitude to unemployed people at Centrelink, if the dole recipents I’ve spoken to are correct in what they tell me. And I’m talking about everyone on Newstart now, not just WFD. I understand the Rudd Government have stopped WFD, but am not sure if that’s true. If they have, they wouldn’t have done it for reasons other than those of humanity, given their consewrvative bent in economics.

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180020 Paul Burns Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:24:49 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180020 Oh, I could go into a long screed about the ways in which 18 C Slavery, as it applied to work practices,and that is a very important qualifier, (but not the apalling mistreatment of women slaves, and the ever present fear of the permanent breaking up of families. which I readily grant you,) differed from Ante-Bellum slavery. but, Labor Outsider, since its completely OT, I'm not going to. Suffice to say the main reason slaves in the !8C in colonial/revolutionary America resisted slavery, regardless of the good or ill-treatment of their masters,unless they came to mainland America from the West Indies, from whence they carried across a culture of rebellion, was they just didn't want to be slaves. In fact, the main reasons for the mistreatment of slaves in the 18C was that they ran away and were recaptured, and, most importantly, fear of slave rebellion, usually instigated by slaves purchased in the West Indies, not those who came direct from Africa. Period.Strangely enough, the simplest explanation of human conduct is usually among the most accurate. Sorry for going OT. Will cease now. Oh, I could go into a long screed about the ways in which 18 C Slavery, as it applied to work practices,and that is a very important qualifier, (but not the apalling mistreatment of women slaves, and the ever present fear of the permanent breaking up of families. which I readily grant you,) differed from Ante-Bellum slavery. but, Labor Outsider, since its completely OT, I’m not going to. Suffice to say the main reason slaves in the !8C in colonial/revolutionary America resisted slavery, regardless of the good or ill-treatment of their masters,unless they came to mainland America from the West Indies, from whence they carried across a culture of rebellion, was they just didn’t want to be slaves. In fact, the main reasons for the mistreatment of slaves in the 18C was that they ran away and were recaptured, and, most importantly, fear of slave rebellion, usually instigated by slaves purchased in the West Indies, not those who came direct from Africa. Period.Strangely enough, the simplest explanation of human conduct is usually among the most accurate.

Sorry for going OT. Will cease now.

]]> By: Katz http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180019 Katz Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:12:03 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180019 <blockquote>He seems to have had a much more interesting life than the Melbourne prelate.</blockquote> Was the sword-swallowing Mannix ever kidnapped by the British Navy?

He seems to have had a much more interesting life than the Melbourne prelate.

Was the sword-swallowing Mannix ever kidnapped by the British Navy?

]]> By: Chris http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180018 Chris Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:09:19 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180018 PB @ 51 - Just out of interest how many hours/week are the work for the dole jobs and what sort of hourly rate do you end up with if you divide the unemployment benefit by the number of hours that you have to do? PB @ 51 – Just out of interest how many hours/week are the work for the dole jobs and what sort of hourly rate do you end up with if you divide the unemployment benefit by the number of hours that you have to do?

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180017 Paul Burns Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:41:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180017 Labor Outsider, Not exactly the titles of the books, what's inside 'em. I suppose if you're cut off the dole for refusing to take part in WFD and you're starving and homeless for eight weeks because you have no money to buy food or pay rent. Oh, I forgot you can always go to the Sallies, or Vinnies or the Smith Family or some other charitable institution. After all, being breached is really a service to the country - you're contributing to the sacred budget surplus (which, it seems, the GFC will throw out the window.) If you work you should be paid a proper wage for it, not treated like some 18C slave artisan, white or black, labouring from sunrise to sunset in an American colony. In this day and age, that's just NOT FAIR! Labor Outsider,
Not exactly the titles of the books, what’s inside ‘em.

I suppose if you’re cut off the dole for refusing to take part in WFD and you’re starving and homeless for eight weeks because you have no money to buy food or pay rent. Oh, I forgot you can always go to the Sallies, or Vinnies or the Smith Family or some other charitable institution. After all, being breached is really a service to the country – you’re contributing to the sacred budget surplus (which, it seems, the GFC will throw out the window.)

If you work you should be paid a proper wage for it, not treated like some 18C slave artisan, white or black, labouring from sunrise to sunset in an American colony. In this day and age, that’s just NOT FAIR!

]]> By: Boy from Flynn http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180016 Boy from Flynn Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:06:54 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/12/unemployment-and-social-responsibility/#comment-180016 Bill@42 I agree mining has been an unsustainable bubble - but it is rapidly deflating because of recession elsewhere in the world leading the charge. The US and the Eurozone need to keep buying lots of manufacured goods from places like China for China to keep buying shitloads of our raw materials at a high price. The deepening recession in the US and increasingly in Europe has broken this chain. Bill@42

I agree mining has been an unsustainable bubble – but it is rapidly deflating because of recession elsewhere in the world leading the charge. The US and the Eurozone need to keep buying lots of manufacured goods from places like China for China to keep buying shitloads of our raw materials at a high price. The deepening recession in the US and increasingly in Europe has broken this chain.

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