Comments on: Papering over the cracks in C-M credibility with populism http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:11:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Trubbel at Mill http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181717 Trubbel at Mill Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:54:03 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181717 There must be a new Galaxy that the C-M is sitting on, given that little snippet in Sunday's paper under the Poison Dwarf's byline regarding the supposed perception of failure with the taxation adjustments to pre-mixed drinks. Perhaps it is unfavourable to the Pineapple Party and has been buried. There must be a new Galaxy that the C-M is sitting on, given that little snippet in Sunday’s paper under the Poison Dwarf’s byline regarding the supposed perception of failure with the taxation adjustments to pre-mixed drinks.

Perhaps it is unfavourable to the Pineapple Party and has been buried.

]]> By: Paul Norton http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181716 Paul Norton Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:53:29 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181716 Antony, thanks for the clarifications. Antony, thanks for the clarifications.

]]> By: Riccardo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181715 Riccardo Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:46:55 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181715 Small point Mark,we have always been at war with Eurasia Small point Mark,we have always been at war with Eurasia

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181714 steve Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:58:57 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181714 OOps, the link is here: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/teen-lnp-candidate-ignores-party-line/2009/01/23/1232471580187.html OOps, the link is here:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/teen-lnp-candidate-ignores-party-line/2009/01/23/1232471580187.html

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181713 steve Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:56:28 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181713 Subtle change back to the old script from Nicholls. [An 18-year-old Liberal National Party candidate has broken ranks with his party to call on Queensland Premier Anna Bligh to hold an election next month. Michael Palmer, the son of billionaire LNP benefactor Clive Palmer, on Friday called on Ms Bligh to hold an election at the next available date, February 21.] Subtle change back to the old script from Nicholls.

[An 18-year-old Liberal National Party candidate has broken ranks with his party to call on Queensland Premier Anna Bligh to hold an election next month.

Michael Palmer, the son of billionaire LNP benefactor Clive Palmer, on Friday called on Ms Bligh to hold an election at the next available date, February 21.]

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181712 steve Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:00:15 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181712 The last time there was a senate vacancy the Queensland Government sought legal advice on the validity of the Liberal Party constitution. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/bligh-seeks-legal-advice-on-new-senator/2007/03/23/1174597864883.html?s_cid=rss_brisbanetimes The last time there was a senate vacancy the Queensland Government sought legal advice on the validity of the Liberal Party constitution.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/bligh-seeks-legal-advice-on-new-senator/2007/03/23/1174597864883.html?s_cid=rss_brisbanetimes

]]> By: darin http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181711 darin Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:48:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181711 I was with you until I saw "Howard" and "honourable" in the same sentence without a "not". Oh, and whale meat is over rated. What's dugong like? Less fat, should be ok as sashimi or maybe skewered with lemon, capsicum, and pineapple. I was with you until I saw “Howard” and “honourable” in the same sentence without a “not”.

Oh, and whale meat is over rated. What’s dugong like? Less fat, should be ok as sashimi or maybe skewered with lemon, capsicum, and pineapple.

]]> By: Antony Green http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181710 Antony Green Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:35:30 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181710 And on my argument about successor parrties. It is clear the Libs and Nats have only one successor party, the LNP. If the government tried to appoint an ex-National, then because there is no National Party anymore, this ex-National would have to be a member of the LNP. If the LNP then expelled him, he couldn't take the vacancy. Whoever is appointed must be the accepted candidate of the LNP. Another example. In 1987, Don Grimes resigned as a Tasmanian Senator. Labor pre-selected John Devereaux. Premier Robin Gray objected to him but Labor said Devereaux or nobody. By this stage Gray had whipped the parliament into a lather on the issue and they voted against Devereaux. The seat had to be left vacant as a result. The issue was sorted out by the subsequent double dissolution. John Howard to his credit told Gray to fill the vacancy with Labor's nominee. And when the Tasmanian Parliament didn't fill the seat, Howard refused to take advantage of the situation and gave Labor a pair for the vacant Senate position. I think Bligh would be under pressure to behave honourably, as did Don Dunstan, and the Federal Labor would be under pressure to behave honourably as did John Howard. And on my argument about successor parrties. It is clear the Libs and Nats have only one successor party, the LNP. If the government tried to appoint an ex-National, then because there is no National Party anymore, this ex-National would have to be a member of the LNP. If the LNP then expelled him, he couldn’t take the vacancy. Whoever is appointed must be the accepted candidate of the LNP.

Another example. In 1987, Don Grimes resigned as a Tasmanian Senator. Labor pre-selected John Devereaux. Premier Robin Gray objected to him but Labor said Devereaux or nobody. By this stage Gray had whipped the parliament into a lather on the issue and they voted against Devereaux. The seat had to be left vacant as a result. The issue was sorted out by the subsequent double dissolution.

John Howard to his credit told Gray to fill the vacancy with Labor’s nominee. And when the Tasmanian Parliament didn’t fill the seat, Howard refused to take advantage of the situation and gave Labor a pair for the vacant Senate position.

I think Bligh would be under pressure to behave honourably, as did Don Dunstan, and the Federal Labor would be under pressure to behave honourably as did John Howard.

]]> By: Antony Green http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181709 Antony Green Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:22:47 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181709 And further, most states have a similar provision relating to vacancies in their Legislative Councils. Most have had legal opinions about what to do if someone resigned who was an Independent or member of a party that no longer existed. The view is it is someone who can be viewed as some form of logical succesor and accepted as being associated with the former member. Secondly, they have to be logical enough as a successor to withstand a challenge to their position by somebody who has some other claim to be a succesor. And further, most states have a similar provision relating to vacancies in their Legislative Councils. Most have had legal opinions about what to do if someone resigned who was an Independent or member of a party that no longer existed. The view is it is someone who can be viewed as some form of logical succesor and accepted as being associated with the former member. Secondly, they have to be logical enough as a successor to withstand a challenge to their position by somebody who has some other claim to be a succesor.

]]> By: Antony Green http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181708 Antony Green Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:17:49 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/21/papering-over-the-cracks-in-c-m-credibility-with-populism/#comment-181708 Paul, Section 15 has been applied in this situation. In 1977, Steele Hall resigned from the Senate to contest the House. He was a member of the Liberal Movement, a party that no longer existed. Don Dunstan applied the new Section 15 to decide that the Australian Democrats were the successor party to the Liberal Movement and Janine Haines was appointed to the vacancy. The use of Party in Section 15 has nothing to do with the registration of political parties under the electoral act. Section 15 was inserted by referendum, 7 years before there were registered parties. The meaning of 'Party' in any case would be determined by the High Court as no definition of what a party is was inserted into the Constitution. The Constitution is not subserviant to the registration of parties in the Electoral Act, and if a case of this type reached the High Court, the Court would take a broader meaning of party than that defined in the Electoral Act. If there was a continuing Liberal or National Party seperate from the LNP, it would be more complex. The Queensland Parliament can basically appoint anyone they like, but the eligibility of anyone appointed can be challenged at once in the courts and if they were not from the same party, they would be prevented from taking their seat. If an LNP member was appointed to replace a Liberal or a National, someone with a lot of money could challenge the appointment before the High Court, but I doubt they would win. The Queensland Government could have some fun along the way, but I think the only person they could appoint would come from the LNP. It is the only a successor party. Paul, Section 15 has been applied in this situation. In 1977, Steele Hall resigned from the Senate to contest the House. He was a member of the Liberal Movement, a party that no longer existed. Don Dunstan applied the new Section 15 to decide that the Australian Democrats were the successor party to the Liberal Movement and Janine Haines was appointed to the vacancy.

The use of Party in Section 15 has nothing to do with the registration of political parties under the electoral act. Section 15 was inserted by referendum, 7 years before there were registered parties. The meaning of ‘Party’ in any case would be determined by the High Court as no definition of what a party is was inserted into the Constitution. The Constitution is not subserviant to the registration of parties in the Electoral Act, and if a case of this type reached the High Court, the Court would take a broader meaning of party than that defined in the Electoral Act.

If there was a continuing Liberal or National Party seperate from the LNP, it would be more complex. The Queensland Parliament can basically appoint anyone they like, but the eligibility of anyone appointed can be challenged at once in the courts and if they were not from the same party, they would be prevented from taking their seat. If an LNP member was appointed to replace a Liberal or a National, someone with a lot of money could challenge the appointment before the High Court, but I doubt they would win. The Queensland Government could have some fun along the way, but I think the only person they could appoint would come from the LNP. It is the only a successor party.

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