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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/30/howard-kills-republic-again/#comment-183319</link>
		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Few things could more dramatically underline what a snivelling little sell-out K-Rudd is than this hot-button issue. I know the environment and economy mean a lot more to most folks, but when the ALP have such a majority and the leader of her majesties most loyal opposition is a republican...well.
The question now has to be asked. Just how low is the self-esteem of the average ALP voter these days?
I voted for them once in the seventies - but never again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few things could more dramatically underline what a snivelling little sell-out K-Rudd is than this hot-button issue. I know the environment and economy mean a lot more to most folks, but when the ALP have such a majority and the leader of her majesties most loyal opposition is a republican&#8230;well.<br />
The question now has to be asked. Just how low is the self-esteem of the average ALP voter these days?<br />
I voted for them once in the seventies &#8211; but never again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Denmore</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/30/howard-kills-republic-again/#comment-183318</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Denmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australians are gutless when it comes to constitutional change and Rudd&#039;s milksop approach epitomises it. My money is on the Kiwis - those South Pacific Poms - becoming a republic first. Oh and they have a unicameral proprtionally elected parliament and a bill of rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australians are gutless when it comes to constitutional change and Rudd&#8217;s milksop approach epitomises it. My money is on the Kiwis &#8211; those South Pacific Poms &#8211; becoming a republic first. Oh and they have a unicameral proprtionally elected parliament and a bill of rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Nickws</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nickws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But if you picked, say, thirteen people (two from each state, and throw one in from the combination of the ACT and NT), and require that a two-thirds majority is required to use the reserve powers&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m glad this thread hasn&#039;t deteriorated into a direct electionists v. &#039;99ers flamewar.

Anyway, the only possible solution I can think of is to elect a constitutional convention every time we need a new president--the CC delegates would then choose the head of state.

I just can&#039;t see any way other way of avoiding both presidential elections and &#039;political&#039; appointees-as-presidents (other than random phonebook selections.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But if you picked, say, thirteen people (two from each state, and throw one in from the combination of the ACT and NT), and require that a two-thirds majority is required to use the reserve powers</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m glad this thread hasn&#8217;t deteriorated into a direct electionists v. &#8217;99ers flamewar.</p>
<p>Anyway, the only possible solution I can think of is to elect a constitutional convention every time we need a new president&#8211;the CC delegates would then choose the head of state.</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t see any way other way of avoiding both presidential elections and &#8216;political&#8217; appointees-as-presidents (other than random phonebook selections.)</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/30/howard-kills-republic-again/#comment-183316</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m puzzled as to the reasoning that raising the Republic would cause “a backlash from voters in marginal seats – many of whom were fearful of losing their jobs”. Surely this is just the line John Howard used against Paul Keating during the 90s recession?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perceptually, the connection is straightforward.

Many voters, resentful of the government, either with or without reason, will seek ways to punish that government by defying its recommendations. Thus an issue like republicanism, which at the best of times looks like an obsession of the left-liberal elite, comes to represent in the mind of many voters evidence that the government does not care about &quot;real&quot; issues.

This asserted alienation between elites and battlers existed before Howard. But he assiduously cultivated it, giving it a shape and a vocabulary, transforming it into a powerful tool for conservative populism.

This is Howard&#039;s most enduring legacy for Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m puzzled as to the reasoning that raising the Republic would cause “a backlash from voters in marginal seats – many of whom were fearful of losing their jobs”. Surely this is just the line John Howard used against Paul Keating during the 90s recession?</p></blockquote>
<p>Perceptually, the connection is straightforward.</p>
<p>Many voters, resentful of the government, either with or without reason, will seek ways to punish that government by defying its recommendations. Thus an issue like republicanism, which at the best of times looks like an obsession of the left-liberal elite, comes to represent in the mind of many voters evidence that the government does not care about &#8220;real&#8221; issues.</p>
<p>This asserted alienation between elites and battlers existed before Howard. But he assiduously cultivated it, giving it a shape and a vocabulary, transforming it into a powerful tool for conservative populism.</p>
<p>This is Howard&#8217;s most enduring legacy for Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/30/howard-kills-republic-again/#comment-183315</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s actually not the silliest idea, but the risks of one person being a complete tool is probably a bit too high.

But if you picked, say, thirteen people (two from each state, and throw one in from the combination of the ACT and NT), and require that a two-thirds majority is required to use the reserve powers, that&#039;s probably good enough as the &quot;in emergency, break glass&quot; group.  They could take it in turns to do the official duties.

Heck, we trust 12 randomly selected people with jury duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s actually not the silliest idea, but the risks of one person being a complete tool is probably a bit too high.</p>
<p>But if you picked, say, thirteen people (two from each state, and throw one in from the combination of the ACT and NT), and require that a two-thirds majority is required to use the reserve powers, that&#8217;s probably good enough as the &#8220;in emergency, break glass&#8221; group.  They could take it in turns to do the official duties.</p>
<p>Heck, we trust 12 randomly selected people with jury duty.</p>
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		<title>By: terangeree</title>
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		<dc:creator>terangeree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark @ 7:
&lt;blockquote&gt;it’s obvious that people want a popularly elected president &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not this particular person, who would prefer a Head of State to be picked at random from the Electoral Roll once every five years -- a democratically-sound system (everyone has an equal chance of being HoS), a lot cheaper and much less annoying than an election campaign. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark @ 7:</p>
<blockquote><p>it’s obvious that people want a popularly elected president </p></blockquote>
<p>Not this particular person, who would prefer a Head of State to be picked at random from the Electoral Roll once every five years &#8212; a democratically-sound system (everyone has an equal chance of being HoS), a lot cheaper and much less annoying than an election campaign. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oz: my point is that any model that involves resolving the supply question by removing the Senate&#039;s ability to block it is going to be tough to get through the small states, particularly Tasmania and Queensland (with Barnaby running around screaming his head off).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oz: my point is that any model that involves resolving the supply question by removing the Senate&#8217;s ability to block it is going to be tough to get through the small states, particularly Tasmania and Queensland (with Barnaby running around screaming his head off).</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Denmore</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/01/30/howard-kills-republic-again/#comment-183312</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Denmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australians are gutless when it comes to constitutional change and Rudd&#039;s milksop approach epitomises it. My money is on the Kiwis - those South Pacific Poms - becoming a republic. Oh and they have a unicameral proprtionally elected parliament and a bill of rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australians are gutless when it comes to constitutional change and Rudd&#8217;s milksop approach epitomises it. My money is on the Kiwis &#8211; those South Pacific Poms &#8211; becoming a republic. Oh and they have a unicameral proprtionally elected parliament and a bill of rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Which part of the patriot act&quot;

I wasn&#039;t talking about the Patriot Act.

Anyway, enough off-topic, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Which part of the patriot act&#8221;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t talking about the Patriot Act.</p>
<p>Anyway, enough off-topic, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: PDAA</title>
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		<dc:creator>PDAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*  Which part of the patriot act contradicts the first amendment and has been proven by the supreme court to have precedence over the first amendment?

Let&#039;s be grown up enough to acknowledge that just because a politician passes a law, doesn&#039;t make it legal, or mean it will always withstand challenge in court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*  Which part of the patriot act contradicts the first amendment and has been proven by the supreme court to have precedence over the first amendment?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be grown up enough to acknowledge that just because a politician passes a law, doesn&#8217;t make it legal, or mean it will always withstand challenge in court.</p>
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