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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/02/13/bushfire-housing/comment-page-1/#comment-636818</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>camille - a hotel is better than a tent, but given its going to many months, perhaps a year or two for some before their houses are rebuilt a hotel is not a great long term solution.

btw the smh and age have had some interesting articles on houses which survived. One highligted was a house which had a lot of concrete render applied and used to seal any gaps so embers couldn&#039;t enter. Also extra thick glass that would be less likely to break (although metal shutters would probably  be better) combined with some clearing around the house appears to have helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>camille &#8211; a hotel is better than a tent, but given its going to many months, perhaps a year or two for some before their houses are rebuilt a hotel is not a great long term solution.</p>
<p>btw the smh and age have had some interesting articles on houses which survived. One highligted was a house which had a lot of concrete render applied and used to seal any gaps so embers couldn&#8217;t enter. Also extra thick glass that would be less likely to break (although metal shutters would probably  be better) combined with some clearing around the house appears to have helped.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, the plan goes like this:
1. Householders and landlords buy home and contents insurance.
2. Disaster strikes.
3. Governments, with NGOs, take responsibility for short-term housing and emergency response.
4. The insurance companies arrange to meet the medium- and long-term housing needs of their customers, in the private housing market, &lt;i&gt;as per their obligations under the policies&lt;/i&gt;. It seems that the private sector can&#039;t do web-savvy either, even when it&#039;s a core part of the product they provide. Who knew?
The word for the expectation that the Government provide step 4, or more importantly, that the Government provide replacement housing for uninsured homeowners, is &quot;moral hazard&quot;. 
Now I&#039;ve got nothing against either compulsory home insurance along the lines of the CTP policies drivers buy---but that&#039;s a different big-government socialist argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, the plan goes like this:<br />
1. Householders and landlords buy home and contents insurance.<br />
2. Disaster strikes.<br />
3. Governments, with NGOs, take responsibility for short-term housing and emergency response.<br />
4. The insurance companies arrange to meet the medium- and long-term housing needs of their customers, in the private housing market, <i>as per their obligations under the policies</i>. It seems that the private sector can&#8217;t do web-savvy either, even when it&#8217;s a core part of the product they provide. Who knew?<br />
The word for the expectation that the Government provide step 4, or more importantly, that the Government provide replacement housing for uninsured homeowners, is &#8220;moral hazard&#8221;.<br />
Now I&#8217;ve got nothing against either compulsory home insurance along the lines of the CTP policies drivers buy&#8212;but that&#8217;s a different big-government socialist argument.</p>
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		<title>By: camille</title>
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		<dc:creator>camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concrete dome homes could be the way to go.  Do they burn in a raging fire is the question.   Those poor victims surely could be housed in a nice hotel somewhere until homes are built for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concrete dome homes could be the way to go.  Do they burn in a raging fire is the question.   Those poor victims surely could be housed in a nice hotel somewhere until homes are built for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/02/13/bushfire-housing/comment-page-1/#comment-636760</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The question is about how to house, for a relatively short time, a relatively large number of middle-class instantly-homeless people, generally without complex needs (ie. alcoholism, mental health, histories of violence, poverty, abuse). Outside meeting the immediate Army-tent needs, this isn’t a need for which any Government anywhere in the world plans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would hope that they do plan for situations like this. Its the situation that occurs when natural disasters occur - be it fire, flood, cyclones etc.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is, however, precisely the reason the insurance industry exists. C’mon, let’s see those payouts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given that they&#039;re estimating around 25% of the residents are uninsured there is still going to be a problem even if the insurance industry can react fast enough. And as was reported last night, the insurance assessors aren&#039;t even allowed into many of the affected areas yet.

One thing that did come out of Lateline was that around 40% of the insurance premium in Victoria is taxes for the fire services and those who don&#039;t pay for insurance avoid paying the fire levies. Perhaps it should be an unavoidable part of the council rates instead. That way everyone pays and there is less disincentive to go uninsured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The question is about how to house, for a relatively short time, a relatively large number of middle-class instantly-homeless people, generally without complex needs (ie. alcoholism, mental health, histories of violence, poverty, abuse). Outside meeting the immediate Army-tent needs, this isn’t a need for which any Government anywhere in the world plans.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would hope that they do plan for situations like this. Its the situation that occurs when natural disasters occur &#8211; be it fire, flood, cyclones etc.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is, however, precisely the reason the insurance industry exists. C’mon, let’s see those payouts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Given that they&#8217;re estimating around 25% of the residents are uninsured there is still going to be a problem even if the insurance industry can react fast enough. And as was reported last night, the insurance assessors aren&#8217;t even allowed into many of the affected areas yet.</p>
<p>One thing that did come out of Lateline was that around 40% of the insurance premium in Victoria is taxes for the fire services and those who don&#8217;t pay for insurance avoid paying the fire levies. Perhaps it should be an unavoidable part of the council rates instead. That way everyone pays and there is less disincentive to go uninsured.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oxfam, fitzroy group, have a neat site that is a goods and services registry. It takes things a lot further than accommodation offers.
http://bushfireaid.wikispaces.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxfam, fitzroy group, have a neat site that is a goods and services registry. It takes things a lot further than accommodation offers.<br />
<a href="http://bushfireaid.wikispaces.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bushfireaid.wikispaces.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, no State Government housing department in Australia is good yet at using the web. Their clients, frankly, aren&#039;t universally set up yet to contact the authorities through a facebook page or a twitter feed. That the State Government isn&#039;t very good at using the web to do emergency housing isn&#039;t the point.
The question is about how to house, for a relatively short time, a relatively large number of middle-class instantly-homeless people, generally without complex needs (ie. alcoholism, mental health, histories of violence, poverty, abuse). Outside meeting the immediate Army-tent needs, this isn&#039;t a need for which any Government anywhere in the world plans.
It is, however, &lt;i&gt;precisely&lt;/i&gt; the reason the insurance industry exists. C&#039;mon, let&#039;s see those payouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, no State Government housing department in Australia is good yet at using the web. Their clients, frankly, aren&#8217;t universally set up yet to contact the authorities through a facebook page or a twitter feed. That the State Government isn&#8217;t very good at using the web to do emergency housing isn&#8217;t the point.<br />
The question is about how to house, for a relatively short time, a relatively large number of middle-class instantly-homeless people, generally without complex needs (ie. alcoholism, mental health, histories of violence, poverty, abuse). Outside meeting the immediate Army-tent needs, this isn&#8217;t a need for which any Government anywhere in the world plans.<br />
It is, however, <i>precisely</i> the reason the insurance industry exists. C&#8217;mon, let&#8217;s see those payouts.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/02/13/bushfire-housing/comment-page-1/#comment-636285</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the criticism that the State authorities weren’t using the web very well is a valid one. As Marie pointed out, a mobile number only doesn’t really cut it in this day and age.&quot;


Some interesting stuff on that very subject over at Troppo. If the CFA can be considered part of government.
http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/02/13/copyright-exclusive-ownership-web-20-and-fighting-bushfires/#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the criticism that the State authorities weren’t using the web very well is a valid one. As Marie pointed out, a mobile number only doesn’t really cut it in this day and age.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some interesting stuff on that very subject over at Troppo. If the CFA can be considered part of government.<br />
<a href="http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/02/13/copyright-exclusive-ownership-web-20-and-fighting-bushfires/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/02/13/copyright-exclusive-ownership-web-20-and-fighting-bushfires/#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liam - It&#039;s very well designed as an information clearing house I think. I like the fact that the must-have numbers are in huge font on the front page and &lt;a href=&quot;http://bushfirehousing.org/resources/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; is really useful, something people could bookmark for constant reference. (For general references, granted, not necessarily housing in particular.)

I think the criticism that the State authorities weren&#039;t using the web very well is a valid one. As Marie pointed out, a mobile number only doesn&#039;t really cut it in this day and age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam &#8211; It&#8217;s very well designed as an information clearing house I think. I like the fact that the must-have numbers are in huge font on the front page and <a href="http://bushfirehousing.org/resources/" rel="nofollow">this page</a> is really useful, something people could bookmark for constant reference. (For general references, granted, not necessarily housing in particular.)</p>
<p>I think the criticism that the State authorities weren&#8217;t using the web very well is a valid one. As Marie pointed out, a mobile number only doesn&#8217;t really cut it in this day and age.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t knock your efforts at voluntary organisation, Max and Marie.
I have a bit of contact through work with the NGOs who in my State plan for disaster recovery. Without them there&#039;d be no disaster recovery.
I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; knock your odd fixation with the Department of Human Services (Victoria&#039;s Dept of Housing as I understand it). &quot;Limited choices&quot;? &#039;Dingy&#039; housing commission &#039;villas&#039;? I&#039;m not quite sure you understand what State Government housing is or does, or what needs it exists to serve. It doesn&#039;t serve severe but limited emergencies like this one. 
I certainly think you oughtn&#039;t to attach puerile Government-blaming to any kind of sincere relief effort.
It&#039;s lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t knock your efforts at voluntary organisation, Max and Marie.<br />
I have a bit of contact through work with the NGOs who in my State plan for disaster recovery. Without them there&#8217;d be no disaster recovery.<br />
I <i>do</i> knock your odd fixation with the Department of Human Services (Victoria&#8217;s Dept of Housing as I understand it). &#8220;Limited choices&#8221;? &#8216;Dingy&#8217; housing commission &#8216;villas&#8217;? I&#8217;m not quite sure you understand what State Government housing is or does, or what needs it exists to serve. It doesn&#8217;t serve severe but limited emergencies like this one.<br />
I certainly think you oughtn&#8217;t to attach puerile Government-blaming to any kind of sincere relief effort.<br />
It&#8217;s lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All 
On the day the site launched repeated attempts were made to DHS to indeed provide all database details so as they could manage the vetting process. 
This service was provided to assist people who were in less fortunate positions than us - nothing more, nothing less. 
This is one of our proudest achievements - and we did not get paid a cent (not did we ask for any money). 
My question is - why did the government resources not prepared for something like this - or why did they not engage their internal/external resources to build something similar&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All<br />
On the day the site launched repeated attempts were made to DHS to indeed provide all database details so as they could manage the vetting process.<br />
This service was provided to assist people who were in less fortunate positions than us &#8211; nothing more, nothing less.<br />
This is one of our proudest achievements &#8211; and we did not get paid a cent (not did we ask for any money).<br />
My question is &#8211; why did the government resources not prepared for something like this &#8211; or why did they not engage their internal/external resources to build something similar&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie, the points you make are good but can we please avoid political buzzwords like &quot;nanny state&quot; in this thread. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie, the points you make are good but can we please avoid political buzzwords like &#8220;nanny state&#8221; in this thread. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If DHS has been anywhere near as successful as Centrelink, in the current crisis, alternative arrangements may well be necessary for some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If DHS has been anywhere near as successful as Centrelink, in the current crisis, alternative arrangements may well be necessary for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whatevs Marie</description>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, at least that is upfront information. I don&#039;t understand why that is a difficult string attached? There&#039;s a time limit to their generosity and those who need longer term accommodation should not take up this offer. Move on to the next and more appropriate one.

I&#039;m sure there will be others who would need the DHS resources for as long as they need to get back on their feet - at the same time, how about those who do not want the nanny state to tell them what to do, when to do it etc. and those who do not need nor want their caseworker anymore. 

The site wouldn&#039;t exist if the DHS and other machineries of government were supplying the obvious demand but there doesn&#039;t seem to be enough resources in the public sector to meet it in a timely or efficient way. Maybe they need to hire web-savvy people in addition to those who still think an 8am-8pm phone hotline is the only way to offer accommodation.

At the same time, I think the site is probably negotiating with other NGOs (if not with govt already) as per their privacy policy; it is at least good publicity for the ad agency (TNSTAAFL):

    &quot;Guest&#039;s and Host&#039;s personal information may be made available to non-profit  charitable organisations and relief agencies in the future, if they are able to offer superior services. In the event of this occurrence, we will provide advance warning to all registered users, and an option to remove personal information prior to transfer of your data.&quot;

http://bushfirehousing.org/privacy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, at least that is upfront information. I don&#8217;t understand why that is a difficult string attached? There&#8217;s a time limit to their generosity and those who need longer term accommodation should not take up this offer. Move on to the next and more appropriate one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there will be others who would need the DHS resources for as long as they need to get back on their feet &#8211; at the same time, how about those who do not want the nanny state to tell them what to do, when to do it etc. and those who do not need nor want their caseworker anymore. </p>
<p>The site wouldn&#8217;t exist if the DHS and other machineries of government were supplying the obvious demand but there doesn&#8217;t seem to be enough resources in the public sector to meet it in a timely or efficient way. Maybe they need to hire web-savvy people in addition to those who still think an 8am-8pm phone hotline is the only way to offer accommodation.</p>
<p>At the same time, I think the site is probably negotiating with other NGOs (if not with govt already) as per their privacy policy; it is at least good publicity for the ad agency (TNSTAAFL):</p>
<p>    &#8220;Guest&#8217;s and Host&#8217;s personal information may be made available to non-profit  charitable organisations and relief agencies in the future, if they are able to offer superior services. In the event of this occurrence, we will provide advance warning to all registered users, and an option to remove personal information prior to transfer of your data.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://bushfirehousing.org/privacy/" rel="nofollow">http://bushfirehousing.org/privacy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on you, FDB.  That&#039;s really terrific.  We have been considering having my brother &amp; his partner move back into out spare room where they lived for two months last year, so their house can be made available.  But in honesty I don&#039;t beleive I&#039;ve got the stamina to do that again.  And the time to realise that is now and not after we&#039;ve made a commitment!

I had misgivings about the bushfire housing exchange site too, thought I don&#039;t doubt it&#039;s all entirely wellmeaning. Doubts were strongly exacerbated from browsing it and seeing too many offers with difficult strings attached, eg a holiday house in a Central Highlands hamlet where takers would have to vacate for the last two weeks in March - presumably so the owners can take their planned holiday in it? DHS would weed out that sort of totally unsuitable Indian giving, as well as overheroic and unrealistic offers, among other things</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on you, FDB.  That&#8217;s really terrific.  We have been considering having my brother &amp; his partner move back into out spare room where they lived for two months last year, so their house can be made available.  But in honesty I don&#8217;t beleive I&#8217;ve got the stamina to do that again.  And the time to realise that is now and not after we&#8217;ve made a commitment!</p>
<p>I had misgivings about the bushfire housing exchange site too, thought I don&#8217;t doubt it&#8217;s all entirely wellmeaning. Doubts were strongly exacerbated from browsing it and seeing too many offers with difficult strings attached, eg a holiday house in a Central Highlands hamlet where takers would have to vacate for the last two weeks in March &#8211; presumably so the owners can take their planned holiday in it? DHS would weed out that sort of totally unsuitable Indian giving, as well as overheroic and unrealistic offers, among other things</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I&#039;m going to wind up with my sister on our couch so a workmate of hers and his partner can have her place upstairs for as long as necessary. Can&#039;t remember where their place was, but it ain&#039;t no more. 

Our little North Carlton compound can&#039;t take any more than that, I&#039;m afraid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I&#8217;m going to wind up with my sister on our couch so a workmate of hers and his partner can have her place upstairs for as long as necessary. Can&#8217;t remember where their place was, but it ain&#8217;t no more. </p>
<p>Our little North Carlton compound can&#8217;t take any more than that, I&#8217;m afraid!</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...interesting reading the arguments against the site. I live in Sydney and have posted an offer on the bushfirehousing site if anyone wants a break (yes it&#039;s a long shot but people are varied and complex and one family might take up the offer). The fact of the matter is, the DHS doesn&#039;t have the creativity or the nous to take advantage of social networking and the easier way of posting on a bulletin board and getting people connected with each other.

The ABC blog had a similar page where people were posting offers of accommodation as well. There was no central coordination, I daresay the DHS doesn&#039;t have the resources (and again the nous) to gather this information and put it in a central database. The best way is someone from DHS to ask the bushfirehousing.org and takeover their database and support it. They now have the advantage of having over 1000 listings/offers and they have provided links especially with regards to Temporary Agreements. That shows some foresight on the site creators and for that I give them my wholehearted support.

And why only a telephone number if you want to provide accommodation? How about an email address or form? Geez, what decade are we in?

As with any govt dept, the DHS would have had bureaucratic jumps to reach the innovation bushfirehousing is operating under. I&#039;m also sure there is an issue of control as well of keeping track of people offering/using the accommodation. Not sure how much I want Big Brother looking over my shoulder as an offerer.

I&#039;m disappointed the govt would take a heavy handed approach - but really if someone can offer their holiday home (in Vic or interstate), offer a caravan to take to their burnt out property - surely that&#039;s better than the limited choices currently on govt offer: living in some dingy Department of Housing villa or some military tent encampment for the short-mid term future.

Sure, times of crisis bring the very worst in people but at the same time it brings out the best in people - kindness of strangers etc. The bushfires in Victoria has affected Australians everywhere and the DHS jurisdiction is limited. The offers on the BH site are from everywhere in Australia now.

Re: the comment of &#039;affiliation&#039; with Volunteering Australia - the site is pretty easy to read (UNCLUTTERED) and they have the numbers of the main NGOs helping out. Sure having an ad agency sponsoring the site is a bit sinister so how about the govt actually support and sponsor the site. But then again some bureaucrat would hate giving legitimacy to a grassroots movement because this is what it is.

I&#039;m sorry if I sound harsh but govt depts have limitations and this is one instance of that. Like many I feel helpless watching you Mexicans suffer through this time, but I&#039;m pretty sure like many who have offered on that site if we could just make a positive difference to one victim of the bushfire, that would make us feel less helpless (and yes I&#039;ve donated money and clothes to all sorts of various organisations but I doubt the disbursement will be happening anytime soon and taking into account what percentage the administration costs will eat it into it...)

Thanks for reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;interesting reading the arguments against the site. I live in Sydney and have posted an offer on the bushfirehousing site if anyone wants a break (yes it&#8217;s a long shot but people are varied and complex and one family might take up the offer). The fact of the matter is, the DHS doesn&#8217;t have the creativity or the nous to take advantage of social networking and the easier way of posting on a bulletin board and getting people connected with each other.</p>
<p>The ABC blog had a similar page where people were posting offers of accommodation as well. There was no central coordination, I daresay the DHS doesn&#8217;t have the resources (and again the nous) to gather this information and put it in a central database. The best way is someone from DHS to ask the bushfirehousing.org and takeover their database and support it. They now have the advantage of having over 1000 listings/offers and they have provided links especially with regards to Temporary Agreements. That shows some foresight on the site creators and for that I give them my wholehearted support.</p>
<p>And why only a telephone number if you want to provide accommodation? How about an email address or form? Geez, what decade are we in?</p>
<p>As with any govt dept, the DHS would have had bureaucratic jumps to reach the innovation bushfirehousing is operating under. I&#8217;m also sure there is an issue of control as well of keeping track of people offering/using the accommodation. Not sure how much I want Big Brother looking over my shoulder as an offerer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed the govt would take a heavy handed approach &#8211; but really if someone can offer their holiday home (in Vic or interstate), offer a caravan to take to their burnt out property &#8211; surely that&#8217;s better than the limited choices currently on govt offer: living in some dingy Department of Housing villa or some military tent encampment for the short-mid term future.</p>
<p>Sure, times of crisis bring the very worst in people but at the same time it brings out the best in people &#8211; kindness of strangers etc. The bushfires in Victoria has affected Australians everywhere and the DHS jurisdiction is limited. The offers on the BH site are from everywhere in Australia now.</p>
<p>Re: the comment of &#8216;affiliation&#8217; with Volunteering Australia &#8211; the site is pretty easy to read (UNCLUTTERED) and they have the numbers of the main NGOs helping out. Sure having an ad agency sponsoring the site is a bit sinister so how about the govt actually support and sponsor the site. But then again some bureaucrat would hate giving legitimacy to a grassroots movement because this is what it is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I sound harsh but govt depts have limitations and this is one instance of that. Like many I feel helpless watching you Mexicans suffer through this time, but I&#8217;m pretty sure like many who have offered on that site if we could just make a positive difference to one victim of the bushfire, that would make us feel less helpless (and yes I&#8217;ve donated money and clothes to all sorts of various organisations but I doubt the disbursement will be happening anytime soon and taking into account what percentage the administration costs will eat it into it&#8230;)</p>
<p>Thanks for reading.</p>
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		<title>By: AdamTucker</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/02/13/bushfire-housing/comment-page-1/#comment-634687</link>
		<dc:creator>AdamTucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Andrew E. Philanthropic cut-through and serendipitous support exactly as though people were communicating in person, and exactly as in real life, an adjuct to the bureaucracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Andrew E. Philanthropic cut-through and serendipitous support exactly as though people were communicating in person, and exactly as in real life, an adjuct to the bureaucracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/02/13/bushfire-housing/comment-page-1/#comment-634676</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than get all huffy about the &quot;co-ordinated recovery effort&quot;, Tony, can&#039;t we have both and work out ways of having them work together? At this stage we need both/and rather than either/or. Pick up the phone and talk to these fantastic people rather than quibble about database structures. The last thing these people need is bureaucratic heavy-handedness, which is far worse than whatever offence the bushfirehousing.org people may (not) have committed.

Helen&#039;s initial imperative was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than get all huffy about the &#8220;co-ordinated recovery effort&#8221;, Tony, can&#8217;t we have both and work out ways of having them work together? At this stage we need both/and rather than either/or. Pick up the phone and talk to these fantastic people rather than quibble about database structures. The last thing these people need is bureaucratic heavy-handedness, which is far worse than whatever offence the bushfirehousing.org people may (not) have committed.</p>
<p>Helen&#8217;s initial imperative was right.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Tony @6 you&#039;re correct, my recollection of the phone response was that this weekend was strictly caravans for up to 12 months. Shades of Katrina and the trailer home parks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Tony @6 you&#8217;re correct, my recollection of the phone response was that this weekend was strictly caravans for up to 12 months. Shades of Katrina and the trailer home parks.</p>
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