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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not bragging. I have much to be modest about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not bragging. I have much to be modest about.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop bragging Katz.  You&#039;re no match for Graeme Bird. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop bragging Katz.  You&#8217;re no match for Graeme Bird. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s any consolation, Paulus, I predict that you will continue to be huge in Adelaide.

Modesty forbids any comment on the allure I exercise upon devastatingly intelligent and stunningly beautiful women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s any consolation, Paulus, I predict that you will continue to be huge in Adelaide.</p>
<p>Modesty forbids any comment on the allure I exercise upon devastatingly intelligent and stunningly beautiful women.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record Paulus, I saw what you did there and found it most amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record Paulus, I saw what you did there and found it most amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Would there be any point in holding the Adelaide Conference on the Prevention and Punishment of Murder ...

To hold it in Adelaide would be perverse.

……and, with that remark, Katz goes into serious contention for One-Liner of the Year!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is so unfair. I make a little passing joke yesterday, quite deliberately, just to see if anyone ever reads what I write, and then Katz responds to it and gets all the credit!

Now people everywhere will recognise him as Mr One-Liner of the Year, and sexy women will want to sleep with him, and he&#039;ll appear on Australia&#039;s Got Talent, and record companies will offer him deals, and Bono will become his best friend, and he&#039;ll be rich enough to buy his own Caribbean island, and he&#039;ll marry Scarlett Johansson ... and ... and ... no one will ever remember me. *weeps*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Would there be any point in holding the Adelaide Conference on the Prevention and Punishment of Murder &#8230;</p>
<p>To hold it in Adelaide would be perverse.</p>
<p>……and, with that remark, Katz goes into serious contention for One-Liner of the Year!</p></blockquote>
<p>This is so unfair. I make a little passing joke yesterday, quite deliberately, just to see if anyone ever reads what I write, and then Katz responds to it and gets all the credit!</p>
<p>Now people everywhere will recognise him as Mr One-Liner of the Year, and sexy women will want to sleep with him, and he&#8217;ll appear on Australia&#8217;s Got Talent, and record companies will offer him deals, and Bono will become his best friend, and he&#8217;ll be rich enough to buy his own Caribbean island, and he&#8217;ll marry Scarlett Johansson &#8230; and &#8230; and &#8230; no one will ever remember me. *weeps*</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CptR,

The BCC has posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/20_04_09_ahmadinejad_geneva.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a full translation of the speech&lt;/a&gt;.  I think a phrase such as &lt;em&gt;&quot;the ambiguous and dubious question of Holocaust&quot;&lt;/em&gt;, especially on the light of Ahmadinajad&#039;s previous statements on this issue, would be the straw which broke this camel&#039;s back.

Once again folks, I don&#039;t have time to stoush today.

P.S.  Beyond succinctly stating that the events of 1948 in Israel/Palestine, occurring as they did in the shadow of the Holocaust, and the continuing Israeli/Palestinian conflict, come closer than anything else I can think of to satisfying Hegel&#039;s definition of tragedy as the clash between right and right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CptR,</p>
<p>The BCC has posted <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/20_04_09_ahmadinejad_geneva.pdf" rel="nofollow">a full translation of the speech</a>.  I think a phrase such as <em>&#8220;the ambiguous and dubious question of Holocaust&#8221;</em>, especially on the light of Ahmadinajad&#8217;s previous statements on this issue, would be the straw which broke this camel&#8217;s back.</p>
<p>Once again folks, I don&#8217;t have time to stoush today.</p>
<p>P.S.  Beyond succinctly stating that the events of 1948 in Israel/Palestine, occurring as they did in the shadow of the Holocaust, and the continuing Israeli/Palestinian conflict, come closer than anything else I can think of to satisfying Hegel&#8217;s definition of tragedy as the clash between right and right.</p>
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		<title>By: CptR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CptR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, respectfully, have you listened to or read a complete transcript of Ahmadinajad&#039;s speech? I ask this because much of the MSM coverage of the speech has reified as a bogeyman in its own right, but very little description or discussion of the content seems necessary. Few people even seem aware of what was said. What parts of the speech did you find most appalling, most disgusting, most unbecoming for an international statesman? What would have been your critical moment, when you would have walked out on that unpleasant man? Durban II has been, for months at least, characterised by a nauseating spin war of frames and iteration. In the latest iteration the spin axis is the Iranian President, and frankly I could have learnt as much about him being a nasty so-and-so and the ins-and-outs of Durban II&#039;s place in international politics from the Australian as I have learnt from Paul&#039;s analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, respectfully, have you listened to or read a complete transcript of Ahmadinajad&#8217;s speech? I ask this because much of the MSM coverage of the speech has reified as a bogeyman in its own right, but very little description or discussion of the content seems necessary. Few people even seem aware of what was said. What parts of the speech did you find most appalling, most disgusting, most unbecoming for an international statesman? What would have been your critical moment, when you would have walked out on that unpleasant man? Durban II has been, for months at least, characterised by a nauseating spin war of frames and iteration. In the latest iteration the spin axis is the Iranian President, and frankly I could have learnt as much about him being a nasty so-and-so and the ins-and-outs of Durban II&#8217;s place in international politics from the Australian as I have learnt from Paul&#8217;s analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, a genuine thank you to all those commenters who have done the decent thing and argued with me civilly yet frankly here on this thread rather than misrepresenting my views and libelling me on other blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, a genuine thank you to all those commenters who have done the decent thing and argued with me civilly yet frankly here on this thread rather than misrepresenting my views and libelling me on other blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, Ambi.

I&#039;ll be a busy lad today so won&#039;t be commenting much, if at all, but look forward to your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Ambi.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be a busy lad today so won&#8217;t be commenting much, if at all, but look forward to your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Paul.
Plenty to ponder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Paul.<br />
Plenty to ponder.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ambigulous #53, there are indeed several levels of protest within diplomacy.  Walking out on an unambiguously disgraceful speech by Ahmadinajad was, in my view, an entirely justified response to something specific which deserved condemnation.

As to whether the Conference as a whole is a waste of time, the Conference has the following objectives:



&lt;blockquote&gt;To review progress and implementation by all stakeholders of the Durban Declaration and Programme of Action. Through an inclusive, transparent and collaborative process the Review Conference will assess contemporary manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, while identifying concrete counter measures to eliminate these manifestations of intolerance. 
To assess the existing Durban follow-up mechanisms and their effectiveness, as well as other relevant United Nations mechanisms dealing with the issue of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance. 
To promote the universal ratification and implementation of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination and proper consideration of the recommendations of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination; 
To identify and share good practices in the fight against racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



and will be focusing on the following themes:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Transatlantic slave trade, slavery 
Africans and African descendants/Anti-black racism 
Roma/Gypsies/Sinti/Travellers 
Antisemitism 
Hate against Muslims 
Indigenous peoples 
Migrants and refugees 
Hate crimes 
Sexual orientation 
Intersectional issues 
Information, communication and the media, including new technologies&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In any event, the justification for boycotting the conference put forward by boycott supporters comes down to the fact that the draft Conference Declaration reaffirms the declaration of Durban I, which is objected to not in its entirety, or even mostly, but on the basis of passages which &lt;em&gt;inter alia &lt;/em&gt;affirm Israel&#039;s right to exist and right to security, but which also affirm the national rights of the Palestinians.

Also, as I have previously argued, the fact that the boycott has come to take the form of a white flight and only a white flight, and that, for example, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25371892-7583,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greg Sheridan &lt;/a&gt;laments, it is supported by none of the countries in our region except for the two Anglo-Celtic states with unresolved issues with our indigenous peoples, may well take on a life of its own which may overshadow whatever reasons were put forward to justify the boycott.

In response to Paulus #54, I think it is clear that at least some of the Conference objectives and themes are of a nature that crosses national boundaries and/or requires intergovernmental cooperation.  And the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination is hardly irrelevant to the capacity or willingness of individual nations to act against racism.  The fact that Australia is a signatory to the Convention, and has enacted Federal legislation to give effect to it, has since 1982 empowered Federal Governments to overrule delinquent states on race-related issues.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambigulous #53, there are indeed several levels of protest within diplomacy.  Walking out on an unambiguously disgraceful speech by Ahmadinajad was, in my view, an entirely justified response to something specific which deserved condemnation.</p>
<p>As to whether the Conference as a whole is a waste of time, the Conference has the following objectives:</p>
<blockquote><p>To review progress and implementation by all stakeholders of the Durban Declaration and Programme of Action. Through an inclusive, transparent and collaborative process the Review Conference will assess contemporary manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, while identifying concrete counter measures to eliminate these manifestations of intolerance.<br />
To assess the existing Durban follow-up mechanisms and their effectiveness, as well as other relevant United Nations mechanisms dealing with the issue of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance.<br />
To promote the universal ratification and implementation of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination and proper consideration of the recommendations of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination;<br />
To identify and share good practices in the fight against racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance. </p></blockquote>
<p>and will be focusing on the following themes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Transatlantic slave trade, slavery<br />
Africans and African descendants/Anti-black racism<br />
Roma/Gypsies/Sinti/Travellers<br />
Antisemitism<br />
Hate against Muslims<br />
Indigenous peoples<br />
Migrants and refugees<br />
Hate crimes<br />
Sexual orientation<br />
Intersectional issues<br />
Information, communication and the media, including new technologies</p></blockquote>
<p>In any event, the justification for boycotting the conference put forward by boycott supporters comes down to the fact that the draft Conference Declaration reaffirms the declaration of Durban I, which is objected to not in its entirety, or even mostly, but on the basis of passages which <em>inter alia </em>affirm Israel&#8217;s right to exist and right to security, but which also affirm the national rights of the Palestinians.</p>
<p>Also, as I have previously argued, the fact that the boycott has come to take the form of a white flight and only a white flight, and that, for example, as <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25371892-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow">Greg Sheridan </a>laments, it is supported by none of the countries in our region except for the two Anglo-Celtic states with unresolved issues with our indigenous peoples, may well take on a life of its own which may overshadow whatever reasons were put forward to justify the boycott.</p>
<p>In response to Paulus #54, I think it is clear that at least some of the Conference objectives and themes are of a nature that crosses national boundaries and/or requires intergovernmental cooperation.  And the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination is hardly irrelevant to the capacity or willingness of individual nations to act against racism.  The fact that Australia is a signatory to the Convention, and has enacted Federal legislation to give effect to it, has since 1982 empowered Federal Governments to overrule delinquent states on race-related issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Nana levu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nana levu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz says &quot;No matter how many people quibble over how Palestinians and Jews are Semitic cousins, historically most people in both groups have viewed themselves as separate races for centuries.&quot;  
That&#039;s is what I thought.  But then I married a Palestinian who watches very natural Israeli movies and comments on how the practices of the Jews are so like those of his people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz says &#8220;No matter how many people quibble over how Palestinians and Jews are Semitic cousins, historically most people in both groups have viewed themselves as separate races for centuries.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s is what I thought.  But then I married a Palestinian who watches very natural Israeli movies and comments on how the practices of the Jews are so like those of his people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz   
:-)
I second the nomination by Mercurius.

And did Durban especially merit the first conference on racism??

Pisa Conference on Skyscrapers.
Amsterdam Conference on Mud Foundations.
Sydney Conference on Bureaucracy and Architecture.
Los Angeles Conference on Gun Control.
Paris Conference on Politeness.
Warsaw Conference on Pacts.
Buenos Aires Conference on Air Quality.
Griffith Conference on Multicultural Integration and Maintenance of Honour in Society.
Canberra Conference on World&#039;s Best Practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz    <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I second the nomination by Mercurius.</p>
<p>And did Durban especially merit the first conference on racism??</p>
<p>Pisa Conference on Skyscrapers.<br />
Amsterdam Conference on Mud Foundations.<br />
Sydney Conference on Bureaucracy and Architecture.<br />
Los Angeles Conference on Gun Control.<br />
Paris Conference on Politeness.<br />
Warsaw Conference on Pacts.<br />
Buenos Aires Conference on Air Quality.<br />
Griffith Conference on Multicultural Integration and Maintenance of Honour in Society.<br />
Canberra Conference on World&#8217;s Best Practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>......and, with that remark, Katz goes into serious contention for One-Liner of the Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;and, with that remark, Katz goes into serious contention for One-Liner of the Year!</p>
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		<title>By: furious balancing</title>
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		<dc:creator>furious balancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz - &quot;I wonder if you asked a Palestinian and a Jew whether the other was a member of a different race, they would answer in the affirmative.&quot;

My father, who was Jewish, corrected me when I described a comment by an Arab leader as being anti-semetic..he told me that would be a bit perverse, since Jews and Arabs are all semetic peoples. Interestingly, he also described Israel&#039;s policy re: the Palestinians as &#039;racist&#039;, which in retrospect, is a quite contradictory.  

It is not a discrimination on religious grounds either though, because non-religious Jews are eligible for citizenship.  I don&#039;t identify as being Jewish, I am not of the Jewish faith, but I could become a citizen of Israel based on having two Jewish grandparents.  It&#039;s crazy..I&#039;m probably more anti-zionist than your average Palestinian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz &#8211; &#8220;I wonder if you asked a Palestinian and a Jew whether the other was a member of a different race, they would answer in the affirmative.&#8221;</p>
<p>My father, who was Jewish, corrected me when I described a comment by an Arab leader as being anti-semetic..he told me that would be a bit perverse, since Jews and Arabs are all semetic peoples. Interestingly, he also described Israel&#8217;s policy re: the Palestinians as &#8216;racist&#8217;, which in retrospect, is a quite contradictory.  </p>
<p>It is not a discrimination on religious grounds either though, because non-religious Jews are eligible for citizenship.  I don&#8217;t identify as being Jewish, I am not of the Jewish faith, but I could become a citizen of Israel based on having two Jewish grandparents.  It&#8217;s crazy..I&#8217;m probably more anti-zionist than your average Palestinian.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Would there be any point in holding the Adelaide Conference on the Prevention and Punishment of Murder, in which world leaders would assemble to denounce murder, and solemnly promise that their nation would do everything possible to prevent it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed Paulus.

To hold it in Adelaide would be perverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Would there be any point in holding the Adelaide Conference on the Prevention and Punishment of Murder, in which world leaders would assemble to denounce murder, and solemnly promise that their nation would do everything possible to prevent it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed Paulus.</p>
<p>To hold it in Adelaide would be perverse.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Honnor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Honnor</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;Within diplomacy there are several levels of protest. Absenting one’s representatives completely is but one level.&quot; 

Indeed. For instance, many countries that did decide to attend deliberately refrained from naming a cabinet minister as Head of Mission (which would be the normal protocol) in order to express discomfort and dissatisfaction - and I  doubt very much that anyone who did attend did so in the expectation of &quot;honest and open dialogue&quot; about racism and discrimination. 

After all most of the more committed Durban II participants (including South Africa) recently signed up to a declaration angrily opposing the decision of 66 other UN members to support extending Universal Declaration of Human Rights coverage to incorporate sexual orientation and gender identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Within diplomacy there are several levels of protest. Absenting one’s representatives completely is but one level.&#8221; </p>
<p>Indeed. For instance, many countries that did decide to attend deliberately refrained from naming a cabinet minister as Head of Mission (which would be the normal protocol) in order to express discomfort and dissatisfaction &#8211; and I  doubt very much that anyone who did attend did so in the expectation of &#8220;honest and open dialogue&#8221; about racism and discrimination. </p>
<p>After all most of the more committed Durban II participants (including South Africa) recently signed up to a declaration angrily opposing the decision of 66 other UN members to support extending Universal Declaration of Human Rights coverage to incorporate sexual orientation and gender identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
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		<description>Ambigulous and Paulus have made some good points just when I need to run for a bus.

I&#039;ll consider them overnight and consider a response tomorrow (unless I find myself persuaded...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambigulous and Paulus have made some good points just when I need to run for a bus.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll consider them overnight and consider a response tomorrow (unless I find myself persuaded&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
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		<description>Indeed, Geoff.

Paul Norton, I agree with you that &quot;there are a range of pressing global and international problems which can only be solved by global and/or intergovernmental cooperation&quot;. Like trade rules, arms control, and many others.

But why is racism in that category? No country &lt;i&gt;needs&lt;/i&gt; &quot;intergovernmental cooperation&quot; to tell them what to do on that score. Did Eisenhower need a memo from the UN before he acted on school segregation? Did Kevin Rudd need other countries&#039; OK before the apology to the Stolen Generations? Each countries&#039; actions will be unique to their own circumstances.

National leaders either know racism is wrong, and will take appropriate steps, or they don&#039;t care -- in which case, this conference won&#039;t change their minds.

Let me draw an analogy to the crime of murder. Would there be any point in holding the Adelaide Conference on the Prevention and Punishment of Murder, in which world leaders would assemble to denounce murder, and solemnly promise that their nation would do everything possible to prevent it?

It&#039;d be silly, wouldn&#039;t it? You trust each country to put appropriate laws in place against murder. Well, why don&#039;t we leave it to each country to take appropriate measures against racism within their own political context?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Geoff.</p>
<p>Paul Norton, I agree with you that &#8220;there are a range of pressing global and international problems which can only be solved by global and/or intergovernmental cooperation&#8221;. Like trade rules, arms control, and many others.</p>
<p>But why is racism in that category? No country <i>needs</i> &#8220;intergovernmental cooperation&#8221; to tell them what to do on that score. Did Eisenhower need a memo from the UN before he acted on school segregation? Did Kevin Rudd need other countries&#8217; OK before the apology to the Stolen Generations? Each countries&#8217; actions will be unique to their own circumstances.</p>
<p>National leaders either know racism is wrong, and will take appropriate steps, or they don&#8217;t care &#8212; in which case, this conference won&#8217;t change their minds.</p>
<p>Let me draw an analogy to the crime of murder. Would there be any point in holding the Adelaide Conference on the Prevention and Punishment of Murder, in which world leaders would assemble to denounce murder, and solemnly promise that their nation would do everything possible to prevent it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be silly, wouldn&#8217;t it? You trust each country to put appropriate laws in place against murder. Well, why don&#8217;t we leave it to each country to take appropriate measures against racism within their own political context?</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
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		<description>Paul Norton: within diplomacy there are several levels of protest. Absenting one&#039;s representatives completely is but one level. Walking out on one speech is another. If a nation&#039;s govt believes (for example) a conference is going to be a waste of time, why attend? 

If a national govt believes the clearest diplomatic signal is given by boycotting, that&#039;s fine with me.

There are dozens and dozens of other opportunities for &quot;reasonable people&quot; to meet, many provided by the UN, as it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Norton: within diplomacy there are several levels of protest. Absenting one&#8217;s representatives completely is but one level. Walking out on one speech is another. If a nation&#8217;s govt believes (for example) a conference is going to be a waste of time, why attend? </p>
<p>If a national govt believes the clearest diplomatic signal is given by boycotting, that&#8217;s fine with me.</p>
<p>There are dozens and dozens of other opportunities for &#8220;reasonable people&#8221; to meet, many provided by the UN, as it happens.</p>
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