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		<title>By: Sukrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sukrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Australian people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day Australia will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened.</description>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pilger is a propagandist, not a journalist.
In this he follows faithfully in the footsteps of Wilfred Burchett (who until the end proclaimed himself &quot;independent&quot; and a &quot;rebel&quot;). Both did some useful reporting.

I would put Pilger on a par with Noam Chomsky (whom some still regard as a &quot;scholar&quot;). Chomsky&#039;s writings - outside linguistics - are characterised by quaint and blinkered misreadings on topics he knows but sparsely. He seems to operate from press clippings half-digested. No expert he. But idolised by many. As is Pilger. As was Burchett.

Pilger&#039;s misbehaviour in Fleet Street many decdes ago was lampooned by &quot;Private Eye&quot; magazine. They noted the new verb: &#039;to pilgerise&#039; [to exaggerate a story for emotional and political effect]. Come to think of it, Pilger&#039;s a bit like Germaine Greer at her worst: unscrupulous and raucous. 

&lt;em&gt; epater les bourgeois &lt;/em&gt; is fair enough, but do it with style and substance ladies and gents!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pilger is a propagandist, not a journalist.<br />
In this he follows faithfully in the footsteps of Wilfred Burchett (who until the end proclaimed himself &#8220;independent&#8221; and a &#8220;rebel&#8221;). Both did some useful reporting.</p>
<p>I would put Pilger on a par with Noam Chomsky (whom some still regard as a &#8220;scholar&#8221;). Chomsky&#8217;s writings &#8211; outside linguistics &#8211; are characterised by quaint and blinkered misreadings on topics he knows but sparsely. He seems to operate from press clippings half-digested. No expert he. But idolised by many. As is Pilger. As was Burchett.</p>
<p>Pilger&#8217;s misbehaviour in Fleet Street many decdes ago was lampooned by &#8220;Private Eye&#8221; magazine. They noted the new verb: &#8216;to pilgerise&#8217; [to exaggerate a story for emotional and political effect]. Come to think of it, Pilger&#8217;s a bit like Germaine Greer at her worst: unscrupulous and raucous. </p>
<p><em> epater les bourgeois </em> is fair enough, but do it with style and substance ladies and gents!</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginka - the Henson affair? marriage can only be between a man and a woman etc etc</description>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Control freak, maybe (perhaps understandably) but what exactly is moralistic about Rudd?  Aside from alcopops - which is really a public health issue - I&#039;m racking my brains to undrstand what Rudd has been moralistic about.

It&#039;s an impression people have about Rudd (mostly from being a churchgoer, I&#039;d guess) but I don&#039;t know what it&#039;s based on when it comes to public policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Control freak, maybe (perhaps understandably) but what exactly is moralistic about Rudd?  Aside from alcopops &#8211; which is really a public health issue &#8211; I&#8217;m racking my brains to undrstand what Rudd has been moralistic about.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an impression people have about Rudd (mostly from being a churchgoer, I&#8217;d guess) but I don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s based on when it comes to public policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The only problem is, Labor had lived up to its election promise - some support personnel would remain but combat troops would be pulled out. That was what Labor very clearly said it would do before the election. Argue against the policy by all means, but you can’t say Labor went back on an election promise. It didn’t. Facts are facts.&lt;/i&gt;
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Pilger is something of a propagandist. He distorts or creatively interprets. His take on the representation of Vietnamese people in Hollywood movies comes to mind. He described such representation in &lt;i&gt;Apocalypse Now&lt;/i&gt; and it was so fanciful as to appear completely fabricated. He seems to&#039;ve missed the obvious point that most Hollywood movies treat the Vietnam War from the point of view of those opposed to it. It&#039;s a shame. When he&#039;s good he&#039;s really good.
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&lt;i&gt;This is the kind of misinformation that makes people on our side of politics cynical - usually it’s based on twaddle. &lt;/i&gt;
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Both sides of politics run on twaddle.
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&lt;i&gt;The sad thing is, if you were to ask people on the far Left who was more trustworthy - Rudd or Pilger? - Rudd wouldn’t even be in competition.&lt;/i&gt;
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Well he wouldn&#039;t. He&#039;s not in the far Left is he? It&#039;s easy to be trustworhy if you&#039;re on the far Left. You never have to choose between to or more unacceptable options. In govt you must do this all the time. 
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I think Rudd is a moralistic control freak. And I&#039;m a little mystified as to his buy-some-stuff grant. But he&#039;s made a big effort to keep his promises. Methinks he&#039;s trying to restore faith in the ALP after the contributions of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roberthannaford.com.au/images/gallery%20images/paulkeatingcloseup.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;World&#039;s Greatest Liar&lt;/a&gt;.
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But how&#039;s this for twaddle? Yesterday I got into a discussion viz the homebuyer&#039;s grant. There was a guy who was lambasting Rudd for creating a housing bubble. True the grant did do that. But the dude totally forgot that it was Howard not Rudd who introduced it!
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That&#039;s party loyalty for ye. Have a card and fit the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRM-114&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CRM-114&lt;/a&gt; to your head. Permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The only problem is, Labor had lived up to its election promise &#8211; some support personnel would remain but combat troops would be pulled out. That was what Labor very clearly said it would do before the election. Argue against the policy by all means, but you can’t say Labor went back on an election promise. It didn’t. Facts are facts.</i><br />
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Pilger is something of a propagandist. He distorts or creatively interprets. His take on the representation of Vietnamese people in Hollywood movies comes to mind. He described such representation in <i>Apocalypse Now</i> and it was so fanciful as to appear completely fabricated. He seems to&#8217;ve missed the obvious point that most Hollywood movies treat the Vietnam War from the point of view of those opposed to it. It&#8217;s a shame. When he&#8217;s good he&#8217;s really good.<br />
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<i>This is the kind of misinformation that makes people on our side of politics cynical &#8211; usually it’s based on twaddle. </i><br />
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Both sides of politics run on twaddle.<br />
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<i>The sad thing is, if you were to ask people on the far Left who was more trustworthy &#8211; Rudd or Pilger? &#8211; Rudd wouldn’t even be in competition.</i><br />
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Well he wouldn&#8217;t. He&#8217;s not in the far Left is he? It&#8217;s easy to be trustworhy if you&#8217;re on the far Left. You never have to choose between to or more unacceptable options. In govt you must do this all the time.<br />
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I think Rudd is a moralistic control freak. And I&#8217;m a little mystified as to his buy-some-stuff grant. But he&#8217;s made a big effort to keep his promises. Methinks he&#8217;s trying to restore faith in the ALP after the contributions of the <a href="http://www.roberthannaford.com.au/images/gallery%20images/paulkeatingcloseup.jpg" rel="nofollow">World&#8217;s Greatest Liar</a>.<br />
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But how&#8217;s this for twaddle? Yesterday I got into a discussion viz the homebuyer&#8217;s grant. There was a guy who was lambasting Rudd for creating a housing bubble. True the grant did do that. But the dude totally forgot that it was Howard not Rudd who introduced it!<br />
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That&#8217;s party loyalty for ye. Have a card and fit the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRM-114" rel="nofollow">CRM-114</a> to your head. Permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was excepting The Age, of course.  I think I&#039;m right in saying The Age is the only large paper to publish pro-union editorials (I almost fell off my chair when I happened across one).  I didn&#039;t know that was legal anymore.

But for the rest of the country, it&#039;s slim pickins&#039;.  Gittins is great, but I&#039;d still hesitate to think of him as an unambiguous Leftie.

Murdoch employs the odd progressive type, but they ususally fit a pattern.  They&#039;re the kind that spends all their time fretting - the type that wants a toothless Left that never does anything.  

Pilger?!  Pilger?!  When Pilger was on Q&amp;A a while ago he got stuck into Labor over Iraq.  Apparently Labor wasn&#039;t living up to its election promise because it was only pulling combat troops out of Iraq.  The only problem is, Labor had lived up to its election promise - some support personnel would remain but combat troops would be pulled out.  That was what Labor very clearly said it would do before the election.  Argue against the policy by all means, but you can&#039;t say Labor went back on an election promise.  It didn&#039;t.  Facts are facts. 

This is the kind of misinformation that makes people on our side of politics cynical - usually it&#039;s based on twaddle.  The sad thing is, if you were to ask people on the far Left who was more trustworthy - Rudd or Pilger? - Rudd wouldn&#039;t even be in competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was excepting The Age, of course.  I think I&#8217;m right in saying The Age is the only large paper to publish pro-union editorials (I almost fell off my chair when I happened across one).  I didn&#8217;t know that was legal anymore.</p>
<p>But for the rest of the country, it&#8217;s slim pickins&#8217;.  Gittins is great, but I&#8217;d still hesitate to think of him as an unambiguous Leftie.</p>
<p>Murdoch employs the odd progressive type, but they ususally fit a pattern.  They&#8217;re the kind that spends all their time fretting &#8211; the type that wants a toothless Left that never does anything.  </p>
<p>Pilger?!  Pilger?!  When Pilger was on Q&amp;A a while ago he got stuck into Labor over Iraq.  Apparently Labor wasn&#8217;t living up to its election promise because it was only pulling combat troops out of Iraq.  The only problem is, Labor had lived up to its election promise &#8211; some support personnel would remain but combat troops would be pulled out.  That was what Labor very clearly said it would do before the election.  Argue against the policy by all means, but you can&#8217;t say Labor went back on an election promise.  It didn&#8217;t.  Facts are facts. </p>
<p>This is the kind of misinformation that makes people on our side of politics cynical &#8211; usually it&#8217;s based on twaddle.  The sad thing is, if you were to ask people on the far Left who was more trustworthy &#8211; Rudd or Pilger? &#8211; Rudd wouldn&#8217;t even be in competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Naah. Pilger’s only marginally better than Adams.&lt;/i&gt;
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Mm don&#039;t know about that. I&#039;ve picked Pilger on distortions and outright propaganda. But when it comes to those he&#039;s got in his sights I&#039;ve never seen anyone wield so skillful an interview. He gigs like few in the trade still do.
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But it&#039;s a joke. Think about it. Rupert Murdoch paying cash to a guy whose business it is to excavate the skullduggery of people like Rupert Murdoch. N&#039;uk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Naah. Pilger’s only marginally better than Adams.</i><br />
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Mm don&#8217;t know about that. I&#8217;ve picked Pilger on distortions and outright propaganda. But when it comes to those he&#8217;s got in his sights I&#8217;ve never seen anyone wield so skillful an interview. He gigs like few in the trade still do.<br />
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But it&#8217;s a joke. Think about it. Rupert Murdoch paying cash to a guy whose business it is to excavate the skullduggery of people like Rupert Murdoch. N&#8217;uk.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d wager that all economic policy is an elite project.&quot;

Very true, Adrien.

And from conversations on economics I&#039;ve had with taxi drivers over the years, I fervently wish that economic policy will always remain an elite project! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d wager that all economic policy is an elite project.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true, Adrien.</p>
<p>And from conversations on economics I&#8217;ve had with taxi drivers over the years, I fervently wish that economic policy will always remain an elite project! <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mark D, even if we could have a social democratic utopia, markets - or at least the private sector - would account for most of the economy - overwhelmingly so.&quot;

Ginja, if Sweden counts as your definition of utopia, the public sector there takes and spends 48% of GDP (2007). And that&#039;s only &lt; 50% because of some market reform in recent years. My point being: the public sector in a &quot;social democratic utopia&quot; could easily account for the majority of the economy. Whether you think that would be a good thing or a bad thing is up to you.

&quot;What I want to know is, why aren’t there any regular opinion columnists who are on the Left? I mean really on the Left, not just fashionably progressive-ish.&quot;

Kenneth Davidson?
Ross Gittins? (Not necessarily pro-union, but certainly Keynesian.)

&quot;Get Pilger back here and give him Philip Adam’s space in The Weekend Oz.&quot;

Naah. Pilger&#039;s only marginally better than Adams.

Syndicate Paul Krugman&#039;s columns instead. Krugman&#039;s the best left-wing opinionista I&#039;ve ever seen, with a combination of firm views, clear writing, and very deep knowledge. Most opinionistas (left or right) have only the first of those attributes.

Quiggins would also be an excellent choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mark D, even if we could have a social democratic utopia, markets &#8211; or at least the private sector &#8211; would account for most of the economy &#8211; overwhelmingly so.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ginja, if Sweden counts as your definition of utopia, the public sector there takes and spends 48% of GDP (2007). And that&#8217;s only &lt; 50% because of some market reform in recent years. My point being: the public sector in a &#8220;social democratic utopia&#8221; could easily account for the majority of the economy. Whether you think that would be a good thing or a bad thing is up to you.</p>
<p>&#8220;What I want to know is, why aren’t there any regular opinion columnists who are on the Left? I mean really on the Left, not just fashionably progressive-ish.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kenneth Davidson?<br />
Ross Gittins? (Not necessarily pro-union, but certainly Keynesian.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Get Pilger back here and give him Philip Adam’s space in The Weekend Oz.&#8221;</p>
<p>Naah. Pilger&#8217;s only marginally better than Adams.</p>
<p>Syndicate Paul Krugman&#8217;s columns instead. Krugman&#8217;s the best left-wing opinionista I&#8217;ve ever seen, with a combination of firm views, clear writing, and very deep knowledge. Most opinionistas (left or right) have only the first of those attributes.</p>
<p>Quiggins would also be an excellent choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Q - &lt;i&gt;neoliberalism never successfully embedded itself in the way that postwar social democracy did.&lt;/i&gt;
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I don&#039;t think you&#039;re thinking wide enough. The international system of trade and finance is largely a product of the open trade policies of those called neoliberals. One of the main priorities of that Christian Socialist Kevin Rudd is to preserve this. To write the rulebook of course. But to maintain it nevertheless. Like it or not certain neoliberal fundamentals are embedded in the system. Will HECS go away? Will comprehensive welfare come back?
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Appreciate the cycle that &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; ends. 
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&lt;i&gt;Despite some big successes, it remained an elite project imposed on a largely hostile (or at least unsupportive) public&lt;/i&gt;
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I&#039;d wager that all economic policy is an elite project. And the assertion that the public was entirely unsupportive seems to me spurious given the electoral success of various agents of neoliberalism which include the governments of the ALP in the 1980s, the Tories in the UK, the Republicans and then the Democrats in the US. 
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There were limits of course, there were distortions and there was grumbling but overall? 
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&lt;i&gt;as a movement with any capacity for forward movement, neoliberalism is finished.&lt;/i&gt;
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True. And they said that about the socialism of the Keynesian era and they were right. And when this cycle of neosocialism is finished because nothing endures whatever liberalism&#039;s morphed into will be by then ready again. Cycle. Never. Ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Q &#8211; <i>neoliberalism never successfully embedded itself in the way that postwar social democracy did.</i><br />
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I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re thinking wide enough. The international system of trade and finance is largely a product of the open trade policies of those called neoliberals. One of the main priorities of that Christian Socialist Kevin Rudd is to preserve this. To write the rulebook of course. But to maintain it nevertheless. Like it or not certain neoliberal fundamentals are embedded in the system. Will HECS go away? Will comprehensive welfare come back?<br />
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Appreciate the cycle that <i>never</i> ends.<br />
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<i>Despite some big successes, it remained an elite project imposed on a largely hostile (or at least unsupportive) public</i><br />
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I&#8217;d wager that all economic policy is an elite project. And the assertion that the public was entirely unsupportive seems to me spurious given the electoral success of various agents of neoliberalism which include the governments of the ALP in the 1980s, the Tories in the UK, the Republicans and then the Democrats in the US.<br />
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There were limits of course, there were distortions and there was grumbling but overall?<br />
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<i>as a movement with any capacity for forward movement, neoliberalism is finished.</i><br />
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True. And they said that about the socialism of the Keynesian era and they were right. And when this cycle of neosocialism is finished because nothing endures whatever liberalism&#8217;s morphed into will be by then ready again. Cycle. Never. Ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;ll believe in the demise of neoliberalism when somebody can guarantee me that its like will never, ever appear again. You can&#039;t write off tuberculosis or the Latin Mass, fat chance of doing down a philosophy that made many people rich, some powerful, a few both.

I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is as good a definition of neoconservatism as any - a different but related term. Note the disdain for small-state solutions. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;... statesmen should, above all, have the ability to distinguish friends from enemies. This is not as easy as it sounds, as the history of the Cold War revealed. The number of intelligent men who could not count the Soviet Union as an enemy, even though this was its own self-definition, was absolutely astonishing. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
You wouldn&#039;t have to be the smartest of smart-arses to ask which category Pakistan falls into. The last paragraph of hat article is telling for neoliberalism - the relationship between social conservatism and economic radicalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll believe in the demise of neoliberalism when somebody can guarantee me that its like will never, ever appear again. You can&#8217;t write off tuberculosis or the Latin Mass, fat chance of doing down a philosophy that made many people rich, some powerful, a few both.</p>
<p>I think <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp" rel="nofollow">this</a> is as good a definition of neoconservatism as any &#8211; a different but related term. Note the disdain for small-state solutions. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; statesmen should, above all, have the ability to distinguish friends from enemies. This is not as easy as it sounds, as the history of the Cold War revealed. The number of intelligent men who could not count the Soviet Union as an enemy, even though this was its own self-definition, was absolutely astonishing. </p></blockquote>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t have to be the smartest of smart-arses to ask which category Pakistan falls into. The last paragraph of hat article is telling for neoliberalism &#8211; the relationship between social conservatism and economic radicalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Doesn’t my third of the electorate deserve to have its views represented in the opinion pages?&lt;/i&gt;
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No commies! :)  .
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I agree. Get Pilger back here and give him Philip Adam&#039;s space in &lt;i&gt;The Weekend Oz&lt;/i&gt;. 
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It&#039;d be fab if only because he&#039;d show the others what a journalist who actually works looks like. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Doesn’t my third of the electorate deserve to have its views represented in the opinion pages?</i><br />
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No commies! <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   .<br />
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I agree. Get Pilger back here and give him Philip Adam&#8217;s space in <i>The Weekend Oz</i>.<br />
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It&#8217;d be fab if only because he&#8217;d show the others what a journalist who actually works looks like. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. We do give &quot;pundits&quot; too much credit - Andrew Bolt turned in a self-pitying performance on Insiders today that was even more embarrassing than usual.

What I want to know is, why aren&#039;t there any regular opinion columnists who are on the Left?  I mean really on the Left, not just fashionably progressive-ish.  And by that, I mean people who will come out and strongly argue the case for trade unions or progressive taxation or that government debt is a second-order issue at the moment?

Wherre&#039;s our Polly Toynbee or Paul Krugman?  Robert Manne is one of the few to come close, and he no longer writes a regular newspaper column.  Doesn&#039;t my third of the electorate deserve to have its views represented in the opinion pages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. We do give &#8220;pundits&#8221; too much credit &#8211; Andrew Bolt turned in a self-pitying performance on Insiders today that was even more embarrassing than usual.</p>
<p>What I want to know is, why aren&#8217;t there any regular opinion columnists who are on the Left?  I mean really on the Left, not just fashionably progressive-ish.  And by that, I mean people who will come out and strongly argue the case for trade unions or progressive taxation or that government debt is a second-order issue at the moment?</p>
<p>Wherre&#8217;s our Polly Toynbee or Paul Krugman?  Robert Manne is one of the few to come close, and he no longer writes a regular newspaper column.  Doesn&#8217;t my third of the electorate deserve to have its views represented in the opinion pages?</p>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...meant to say all that many of us ask...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;meant to say all that many of us ask&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark D, even if we could have a social democratic utopia, markets - or at least the private sector - would account for most of the economy - overwhelmingly so.

All that many of us is that we have a strong public sector, unions that are allowed to do their job, and that the government concerns itself with the shocking level of inequality that has grown up since Thatcherist-Reaganism swept the world.

But as you seem to suggest, things won&#039;t always move in the one direction - they rarely do. But the tide is with people who&#039;ve always had a big problem with neoliberalism.  And just out of sheer necessity, we&#039;ll have activist governments trying new things because I can&#039;t see us not being in a deep economic malaise for the next decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark D, even if we could have a social democratic utopia, markets &#8211; or at least the private sector &#8211; would account for most of the economy &#8211; overwhelmingly so.</p>
<p>All that many of us is that we have a strong public sector, unions that are allowed to do their job, and that the government concerns itself with the shocking level of inequality that has grown up since Thatcherist-Reaganism swept the world.</p>
<p>But as you seem to suggest, things won&#8217;t always move in the one direction &#8211; they rarely do. But the tide is with people who&#8217;ve always had a big problem with neoliberalism.  And just out of sheer necessity, we&#8217;ll have activist governments trying new things because I can&#8217;t see us not being in a deep economic malaise for the next decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming in late here but John Q, I&#039;d have to say I don&#039;t necessarily disagree with you on the points you raise about the demise of neoliberalism. My point would be that nothing is ever so clear-cut, and that in this case there are strong currents and counter-currents. I don&#039;t think the ideological debate about the efficacy of markets is settled, and that despite the (welcome) trends you mention it would be premature to start up the band!  

As for the power of the conservative pundits, which Mark also mentions, this is something I&#039;ve been thinking about a bit lately. I tend to agree that they&#039;re given too much credit, but I think their influence on debate is nevertheless powerful. There&#039;s not space here, but I&#039;ve tried to think through some of the complexities of the power dynamic here: http://thelandofplenty.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/no-power-to-the-pundits/#more-218.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming in late here but John Q, I&#8217;d have to say I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with you on the points you raise about the demise of neoliberalism. My point would be that nothing is ever so clear-cut, and that in this case there are strong currents and counter-currents. I don&#8217;t think the ideological debate about the efficacy of markets is settled, and that despite the (welcome) trends you mention it would be premature to start up the band!  </p>
<p>As for the power of the conservative pundits, which Mark also mentions, this is something I&#8217;ve been thinking about a bit lately. I tend to agree that they&#8217;re given too much credit, but I think their influence on debate is nevertheless powerful. There&#8217;s not space here, but I&#8217;ve tried to think through some of the complexities of the power dynamic here: <a href="http://thelandofplenty.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/no-power-to-the-pundits/#more-218" rel="nofollow">http://thelandofplenty.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/no-power-to-the-pundits/#more-218</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Something to do with werewolves and street kids?&lt;/i&gt;
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Yes and...
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It&#039;s &#039;neath the world were &lt;a href=&quot;http://madinkbeard.com/blog/wp-content/images/sandman.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Shifter&#039;s bound&lt;/a&gt; &#039;til Ragnarök. 
And a London pub in 1389 where immortal comes an ordinary bloke. 
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It&#039;s the gods, the witch, the drag-queen and the raven&#039;s caw
It&#039;s Death, and death the Furies bring according to their law
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It&#039;s a conference of killers 
And the origin of thrillers
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It what Destiny must demand; 
That that his book forsooth
The fate of one, 
Of everyone:
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The Lies that tell the Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Something to do with werewolves and street kids?</i><br />
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Yes and&#8230;<br />
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It&#8217;s &#8216;neath the world were <a href="http://madinkbeard.com/blog/wp-content/images/sandman.jpg" rel="nofollow">the Shifter&#8217;s bound</a> &#8217;til Ragnarök.<br />
And a London pub in 1389 where immortal comes an ordinary bloke.<br />
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It&#8217;s the gods, the witch, the drag-queen and the raven&#8217;s caw<br />
It&#8217;s Death, and death the Furies bring according to their law<br />
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It&#8217;s a conference of killers<br />
And the origin of thrillers<br />
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It what Destiny must demand;<br />
That that his book forsooth<br />
The fate of one,<br />
Of everyone:<br />
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The Lies that tell the Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to do with werewolves and street kids?</description>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginja - :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginja &#8211; <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ginja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that, Adrien.  I have no idea what any of it means, but I like it.  Anyway, it&#039;s ANZAC Day - no politics today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that, Adrien.  I have no idea what any of it means, but I like it.  Anyway, it&#8217;s ANZAC Day &#8211; no politics today.</p>
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