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22 responses to “Sick seas 1: acidifying oceans”

  1. BilB

    We’ve known about the risk to the oceans on many fronts since at least the sixties, and have given that knowledge scant regard. That period of time, 40 years may seem like an eternity to some people, but in terms of nature it is just a blip. And the time that we have left to make any meaningful impact is half a blip.

    The only solution from an Australian government perspective, is to create an environmental authority along the Reserve Bank lines, an authority that is independent of government and has the mandate to change key factors in reaction to the environmental need, as outlined in its constitution, without challenge. The obvious factor would be the price of carbon, but there would be other mechanisms that will be pivotal in minimising environmental damage.

    This task is beyond the abilities of politicians.

  2. The Path Lab

    bloody hell, Brian! Makes sea-level rise look like a drop in the ocean!

  3. steve from brisbane

    I have been arguing for a few years now that, regardless of uncertainties with the exact range of temperature increase from AGW, ocean acidification and its potential for disastrous ecological changes is actually a more certain reason to dramatically reduce CO2 production. (Major extinction events in the oceans and on the land may have had significant contribution from the oceans, and there is no doubt present ocean pH will continue to drop, as the chemistry is pretty simple.) Yet it is a field that only intermittently attracts much in the way of media attention.

    I have also argued that the likes of Ian Plimer do not address this in detail; I have heard him recently say that it is well understood that ocean chemistry neutralises the increased acidity (without mentioning, of course, the thousands of years it takes to do so.) Essentially, I don’t think the skeptics have any detailed way of responding to it, apart from generic statements of faith along the lines of “everything will be all right, you ideological alarmists.” (And then they start a silly argument over whether “acidification” is the correct term to use.)

    It is true to say, however, that there has been some uncertainty (and contradictory experimental results) regarding the response of certain creatures to lower pH. It really does need more urgent research, but it still seems clear enough from present work that there are enough creatures who clearly don’t do well (pteropods, certain corals, etc.) to take it very seriously indeed.

    If people haven’t read it, the 2005 Royal Society paper sets out the science in detail, and you could much worse than search my blog (forgive the self promotion, but I’ve been trying to get people to think about this for a long time) for “ocean acidification” to read lots of posts on the topic pointing to various research over the last few years.

  4. patrickg

    It’s bloody disturbing Brian, and equally disturbing that govts et al seem to be paying even less attention to this. Shit, anyone with a fish tank will know what happens when you increase the carbon input into a tank – fabulous plant growth and precipitous ph and algal drop.

  5. Brian

    BilB, it’s a problem of the global commons and unfortunately the problems of the sea are not limited to pH levels. The chapter on overfishing was horrifying, and I might do that one next.

    As a problem of the global commons, I’m not sure how to tackle it institutionally, so your suggestions are welcome. Whatever we do governments will have to see the need and set it up.

    The Path Lab, like sea level rise, the time scales are long, so turning things around won’t be easy. Since I read Mitchell’s book I’ve been worrying about the implications for ocean acidification of leaving significant concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere, at 450ppm for example, for any length of time. Also the notion of taking it right back to 280ppm has seemed more compelling.

    It seems that we simply don’t know anywhere near enough. As steve confirms, there needs to be more research and more media attention. Thanks for that summary, steve, and pointers to additional information. The chemistry may be simple to you, but it stretches my school level knowledge past breaking point. I was worried my summary might contain a huge clanger demonstrating my ignorance. There is a need for information accessible to lay persons, which Mitchell’s book certainly is.

  6. carbonsink

    Can Anthropogenic Ocean Acidification (AOA) be plausibly denied? Seems unlikely, but the delusionists are, well, delusional. Surely they can only argue that the effects aren’t that serious, not that AOA isn’t happening.

  7. Robert Merkel

    I wouldn’t think so.

    Anyone that’s taken high-school science remembers acids.

  8. Brian

    Ken Caldeira at RealClimate wonders whether we would be further along in public perception if the terminology for CO2 in Arrhenius’s original 1896 paper on CO2-induced greenhouse warming had been maintained – “On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground.”

  9. dk.au

    Brian @ 5 – you could also add this to your list of problems with the oceanic commons

  10. steve from brisbane

    Um, I’m sorry to say that I have double checked and found the “Search Blog” function on my blog is far from adequate; if anything, it seems to be getting worse, even though I have now added a label to my ocean acidification posts. You have to use Google Blog search and specify the URL. Maybe that’s why people move to Wordpress?

  11. Smiley

    The disclaimer about the semantics of the term acidification just highlights the sort of thought processes of bloggers on sites like WUWT. The idea that the while the pH content of the oceans are moving towards the acidic spectum, but that it will never actually cross over the threashold means that you cannot use the term acidification just stinks of political correctness or an attempt to try and rebrand the process in a similar way to how the Republicans attempted to push the term climate change instead of global warming earlier this decade.

  12. steveh

    Carbonsink – AOA is a real tricky point for denialists. Isotope ratio measurements show a fairly strong link to fossil fuel created CO2 and no-one ahs come up with an alternative explanation. Various people have tried to explain it “away” by describing oil-field outgassing and then been promptly shot down by (ironically) the exploration well data. Not to mention the solid cap most of these fields have. SOme “breathing” occurs here and there but it is very localised (NOT global).
    My geology is pretty weak so maybe someone else has the raw data, but at this stage the acidity is definitely surface-based with strong atmospheric-capture charactoristics. Not just shell weakness but also just about every other uptake path in animals have shown direct/indirect effects from decreasing pH.
    Just another physicist talking outside his field :-) it’s my customers and instrumentation experience I’m using here.

  13. Andos

    We just need to mine out all the limestone we can and dump it in the oceans… fixed! Hey, maybe that would also be a good way to sequester more CO2.

  14. wilful

    Ocean acidification is a killer of several good geo-engineering proposals. We can’t just pump out CO2 and make amends, we have to stop pumping out the damned stuff in the first place.

  15. MikeM

    An interesting commercial side effect if the ocean actually becomes acidic is that it will corrode steel hulled vessels and infrastructure such as bridges and piers, rather more rapidly than at present. (Aluminium vessels are less at risk.)

    The effect may be insignificant compared with damage to sea life from acidic water, but the risk may attract attention from businesses that otherwise are not too concerned about climate change.

  16. carbonsink

    Ocean acidification is a killer of several good geo-engineering proposals

    Good point. Big mirrors in space won’t fix ocean acidification. Robert?

  17. Robert Merkel

    Carbonsink, I agree totally that sunshades can’t fix ocean acidification, which is as almost as serious as climate change.

    Sunshades of whatever form can only be a very temporary fix while CO2 levels are brought back down, whether by natural processes or by deliberate actions.

  18. Brian

    MikeM, my chemistry is crap, but the oceans are still well and truly on the alkaline side of the balance. Would the corrosion thing really be a factor?

  19. Totalscienceman

    You stupid old man. You cannot tell me that you’ve fallen for this outrageous crap as well?

  20. Brian

    I’ve added an update to the post to emphasise the point made by steve from brisbane @ 3 that skeptics/denialists/delusionists have no valid response to the issue of ocean acidification.

    I think the comment @ 19 must have been placed in moderation by one of my co-bloggers. I’ve approved it just to illustrate that they are still out there in all their glory!

  21. Nabakov

    I suspect there are quite a lot of things you cannot tell Totalscienceman.

  22. patrickg

    Do you think he’s related to DuffMan?

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