Comments on: The battle for Fremantle

By: Al

Al — Tue, 26 May 2009 13:21:25 +0000

T have stumbled upon a new Freo blog (http://spotter8.wordpress.com/) that seems to have a lot of discussion about the Fremantle Bt Election.

They have a few pdf of election material that does not seem to appear on the other blogs as well as a pdf of the Fremantle Herald front page (May 23,2009) in which they put the blame squarely on McGinty for Labor losing Fremantle.

Also I have heard a rumor that Tagliaferri will run for the Mayoralty again in October AND try to regain Fremantle for Labor in the State election in about 3 years time. If McGinty wears the blame Tagliaferri will not have to wear the tag “The man who lost Fremantle” when he has another tilt at becoming a Member for Fremantle in State Parliament.

By: Andrew Reynolds

Andrew Reynolds — Wed, 20 May 2009 08:40:20 +0000

Adrien,
That’s why I said “emphasise” rather than “use exclusively”.

By: Adrien

Adrien — Wed, 20 May 2009 08:09:32 +0000

The Left tends to emphasise force and the use of State power. The Right – persuasion and economic incentives designed to modify the costs to more fully be incorporated into pricing.
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We’ll need both (imho).

By: Adrien

Adrien — Wed, 20 May 2009 08:08:03 +0000

Remember that it was Sir Garfield Barwick who founded the Australian Conservation Foundation, and that Quadrant founder James Macauley was a great lover of the south-west Tasmanian wilderness
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And the green wedge was established by Henry Bolte (no relation).

By: Andrew Reynolds

Andrew Reynolds — Wed, 20 May 2009 05:09:20 +0000

Russell,
The use of regulation appears to be going along nicely – and so quickly, too! The terms are clear to everyone and there is no issue with the structure. Oh, wait…
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Paul,
Yes – probably a more full examination. The Left tends to emphasise force and the use of State power. The Right – persuasion and economic incentives designed to modify the costs to more fully be incorporated into pricing.

By: Paul Norton

Paul Norton — Wed, 20 May 2009 04:44:52 +0000

Andrew #162, whilst left and right would tend to differ in the choice of means towards the end of sustainability and conservation, I think the difference is that the left would tend to emphasise government regulation and provision whilst the right would tend to emphasise market-based or market-mimicking economic instruments and assigning private property rights. Both would (and do) see a place for moral suasion and education.

By: Russell

Russell — Wed, 20 May 2009 04:08:31 +0000

Razor – put your vegies in those corrugated iron things that look like rainwater tanks – it will keep pests like Razor Jnr out, you can control the soil and watering more easily, and you don’t have to bend over to do the gardening.

Andrew – how would you use moral suasion to solve the greenhouse gas problem, quickly.

By: Razor

Razor — Wed, 20 May 2009 03:57:36 +0000

Vegie patch is currently at the proposal stage – Mrs Razor thinks it is a great idea but I get to do all the work. I don’t want to do all the work to then have Razor Jnr (Age 2) then wreak havoc.

By: Andrew Reynolds

Andrew Reynolds — Wed, 20 May 2009 03:56:42 +0000

Paul,
On the philosophical point, I would agree. The difference between a left-wing approach to conservation and a right wing approach (to generalise) is, to me at least, that the left wing will try to use government force to achieve it and the right will tend to use moral suasion.
The desired end is generally similar, the means tend to be different.

By: Andrew Reynolds

Andrew Reynolds — Wed, 20 May 2009 03:54:12 +0000

Razor,
Odd. We have a worm farm and a vegie patch. Does that beat a worm farm and using a bike?