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	<title>Comments on: Senator Fielding goes wobbly on climate change</title>
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		<title>By: thefutureisvegan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149638</link>
		<dc:creator>thefutureisvegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John Michelmore

&lt;blockquote&gt;Anthropogenic induced Climate Change is unproven science&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A common denier canard. Anthropogenic climate change is proven. It is and was predictable and unifying (bringing together other facts to clearly explain the reality before us). The alternatives: &quot;it&#039;s the sun&quot; or &quot;undersea volcanism&quot; are all laughable and demolished. The forcing agents in this current warming event are the various gases placed in the atmosphere known as greenhouse gasses, including CO2, methane and water vapor, all of which are now increasing because of natural mechanisms but arising from the forcing created by humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John Michelmore</p>
<blockquote><p>Anthropogenic induced Climate Change is unproven science</p></blockquote>
<p>A common denier canard. Anthropogenic climate change is proven. It is and was predictable and unifying (bringing together other facts to clearly explain the reality before us). The alternatives: &#8220;it&#8217;s the sun&#8221; or &#8220;undersea volcanism&#8221; are all laughable and demolished. The forcing agents in this current warming event are the various gases placed in the atmosphere known as greenhouse gasses, including CO2, methane and water vapor, all of which are now increasing because of natural mechanisms but arising from the forcing created by humans.</p>
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		<title>By: thefutureisvegan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149637</link>
		<dc:creator>thefutureisvegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not at all surprised to find that yet another young earth creationist has trouble sorting his way around reason, evidence and critical analysis.

There has been no significant relationship between solar output and average global temperature since the late 70&#039;s/ early 80&#039;s. There has been a correlation in terms of the usual ups and downs from year to year but there&#039;s no indication that the escalation of average global temperature in recent decades has anything to do with solar activity.

What there has been is a close correlation between rising atmospheric CO2 and average global temperature and, confirming the power of modeling even in the 1970&#039;s, as it was predicted to do. Why can&#039;t Fielding read the abundant graphs and data that are out there? The man is a fool. A dangerous fool. A fool who holds office at a critical time in this nation&#039;s history because of a scam deal and the votes of 2,000 or so people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not at all surprised to find that yet another young earth creationist has trouble sorting his way around reason, evidence and critical analysis.</p>
<p>There has been no significant relationship between solar output and average global temperature since the late 70&#8242;s/ early 80&#8242;s. There has been a correlation in terms of the usual ups and downs from year to year but there&#8217;s no indication that the escalation of average global temperature in recent decades has anything to do with solar activity.</p>
<p>What there has been is a close correlation between rising atmospheric CO2 and average global temperature and, confirming the power of modeling even in the 1970&#8242;s, as it was predicted to do. Why can&#8217;t Fielding read the abundant graphs and data that are out there? The man is a fool. A dangerous fool. A fool who holds office at a critical time in this nation&#8217;s history because of a scam deal and the votes of 2,000 or so people.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Jones</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149636</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#171 Heh!

No relation, but Halo can now be my new best cousin.

#174 tt - there is no get of jail free card. Either we act on anthro climate change or not. The risks are such that doing all these other good things (a la Lomborg) will have some initial benefits that will be wiped away as climate change accelerates under business as usual emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#171 Heh!</p>
<p>No relation, but Halo can now be my new best cousin.</p>
<p>#174 tt &#8211; there is no get of jail free card. Either we act on anthro climate change or not. The risks are such that doing all these other good things (a la Lomborg) will have some initial benefits that will be wiped away as climate change accelerates under business as usual emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149635</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Michelmore:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Anthropogenic induced Climate Change is unproven science.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The anthropogenic part may be debatable, but the Climate Change part isn&#039;t.

Shouldn&#039;t we be concerned about ameliorating as much change as we possibly can and preparing emergency plans for rising sea levels and coming up with some alternative farming techniques in the face of creeping desertification in order to survive what&#039;s coming anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Michelmore:</p>
<blockquote><p>Anthropogenic induced Climate Change is unproven science.</p></blockquote>
<p>The anthropogenic part may be debatable, but the Climate Change part isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t we be concerned about ameliorating as much change as we possibly can and preparing emergency plans for rising sea levels and coming up with some alternative farming techniques in the face of creeping desertification in order to survive what&#8217;s coming anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: John Michelmore</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149634</link>
		<dc:creator>John Michelmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations and well done Senator Fielding. Can we look forward to more debate on issues that will affect us all. This ofcourse is before we are told the debate is over and the science is settled. Anthropogenic induced Climate Change is unproven science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations and well done Senator Fielding. Can we look forward to more debate on issues that will affect us all. This ofcourse is before we are told the debate is over and the science is settled. Anthropogenic induced Climate Change is unproven science.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149633</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, Helen. There&#039;s a good t-shirt in there somewhere.

Senator Fielding

Prove That You Exist

With a bunch of pigs flying in the background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, Helen. There&#8217;s a good t-shirt in there somewhere.</p>
<p>Senator Fielding</p>
<p>Prove That You Exist</p>
<p>With a bunch of pigs flying in the background.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149632</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely letter in the AGE this morning, had a LOL moment on the train over this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
STEVE Fielding has declared that global warming isn&#039;t real. That&#039;s his prerogative; he can believe whatever he wants, regardless of the evidence.

I, in my turn, have decided to declare that Steve Fielding isn&#039;t real. After all, I have never been presented with any documentary evidence that he exists, I&#039;ve never personally encountered Steve Fielding and it is much more convenient for my political and social beliefs for him not to exist.

I invite others to take up this cause and overcome the so-called consensus view that Fielding is real or that he has any effect on things whatsoever.

Halo Jones, Kensington
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Classic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely letter in the AGE this morning, had a LOL moment on the train over this:</p>
<blockquote><p>
STEVE Fielding has declared that global warming isn&#8217;t real. That&#8217;s his prerogative; he can believe whatever he wants, regardless of the evidence.</p>
<p>I, in my turn, have decided to declare that Steve Fielding isn&#8217;t real. After all, I have never been presented with any documentary evidence that he exists, I&#8217;ve never personally encountered Steve Fielding and it is much more convenient for my political and social beliefs for him not to exist.</p>
<p>I invite others to take up this cause and overcome the so-called consensus view that Fielding is real or that he has any effect on things whatsoever.</p>
<p>Halo Jones, Kensington
</p></blockquote>
<p>Classic!</p>
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		<title>By: dk.au</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149631</link>
		<dc:creator>dk.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149630</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Fielding has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25683682-5019059,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;made up his mind.&lt;/a&gt; It&#039;s always the way it was going to be. I wonder what took him so long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Fielding has <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25683682-5019059,00.html" rel="nofollow">made up his mind.</a> It&#8217;s always the way it was going to be. I wonder what took him so long.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-149629</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know CD, but I reckon &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-775131&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hannah&#039;s dad&lt;/a&gt; got it right. When he went to see Senator Wong and the Chief Scientist he took along four &#039;scientists&#039; for support to make sure there was no chance he&#039;d change his mind.

Wong et al explained to him I gather, because it&#039;s true, that most of the heat from global warming ends up in the ocean, which covers 70% of the earth&#039;s surface and is on average 3.6 km deep. So I expect they explained that the ocean is warming and that has an effect on the climate. But from the way he reacted it seemed as though he thought they were changing the rules.

I&#039;m glad he&#039;s not working as an engineer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know CD, but I reckon <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/09/senator-fieldings-questions-and-doubt-on-climate-change/#comment-775131" rel="nofollow">hannah&#8217;s dad</a> got it right. When he went to see Senator Wong and the Chief Scientist he took along four &#8216;scientists&#8217; for support to make sure there was no chance he&#8217;d change his mind.</p>
<p>Wong et al explained to him I gather, because it&#8217;s true, that most of the heat from global warming ends up in the ocean, which covers 70% of the earth&#8217;s surface and is on average 3.6 km deep. So I expect they explained that the ocean is warming and that has an effect on the climate. But from the way he reacted it seemed as though he thought they were changing the rules.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s not working as an engineer.</p>
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